From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #6 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, January 7 2001 Volume 04 : Number 006 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Impressive beginnings [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire in NME [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Impressive Beginnings [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Fwd: disobey/klf/crass [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: disobey/klf/crass [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: disobey/klf/crass [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Expressive Meanderings: A HodgePodge of IMO [=?iso-8859-1?q?G] [idealcopy] HaChInPo [MrSodium@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: disobey/klf/crass [MarkBursa@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:53:06 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Impressive beginnings >This is not meant as a personal attack, so don't get angry (^_^). However, I feel I must point this out: Ian was specifically asking about album starts. i.e. >Anybody any opinions on which Wire / Related album has the best opening? - --- Well, I got that wrong, too. In that case, I will change my mind and actually say "The Drill" has the best opening of any Wire album... an odd choice, perhaps, but the start of In Every City gets me every time. Dugga Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:21:01 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire in NME In a message dated 05/01/01 21:01:43 GMT Standard Time, wireviews@yahoo.com writes: << Subj: [idealcopy] Wire in NME Date: 05/01/01 21:01:43 GMT Standard Time From: wireviews@yahoo.com (Wireviews) Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Review of Wire's Edinburgh gig in NME. >Describes Bruce Gilbert as wearing >"Bastard" T shirt- surely CN? Yes, unless Gilbert is also wearing an 'Impossible Mission'-style Colin Newman rubber mask. This is about the third time in the last year or so that the mainstream press has got Colin and Bruce mixed-up: it's not as though they are identical twins, or anything! ////// now it's an lp i really don't like at all , but i did think pink floyd's idea of sending the roadies out in replica masks to play the first number on "the wall" tour was a pretty great move. maybe colin and bruce could use this one.p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:28:05 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Impressive Beginnings << But that does bring a question of whether there is a version of IC that opens with 'Ahead'. >> ///// shurely not. but maybe that "a list" cd opens with ahead (i think it got most votes?) the one lp with alternate opening tracks is manscape ; the vinyl opens with the slow burning "patterns of behaviour" (as did the live set on tour) whereas the cd starts with the big fanfare of "life in the manscape". both are good in their own way , still never understood why they cut the first 2 tracks off the vinyl and declined to release a uk single. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:58:20 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: disobey/klf/crass Return-path: From: Wirvien@aol.com Full-name: Wirvien Message-ID: <14.df846f3.27888a53@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:48:51 EST Subject: Fwd: disobey/klf/crass To: PaulRabjohn@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Return-path: From: Wirvien@aol.com Full-name: Wirvien Message-ID: <78.ecd1087.27877f4e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:49:34 EST Subject: disobey/klf/crass To: idealcopy@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 an unlikely combination , but bear with me. now i'm reading "45" by bill drummond , very good indeed. great story in there where the klf foundation got together with disobey to screen their "burn a million quid" movie. bill claims disobey got cold feet at the plan to invite all the local winos along and give away 6250 cans of tennents super to help lubricate proceedings. must've been fun.... bruce plus the klf might've been a good one. as an aside , what did big in japan sound like? any good? another aside , today's guardian had an interview with crass(!) who are fighting eviction from their commune by BT. if you want to send them a hello (or some cash) the address is geecrass@southern.com. i couldn't resist passing that on.p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:14:53 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: disobey/klf/crass Paul, << as an aside , what did big in japan sound like? any good? >> Sort of screechy art-punk. Not bad, though Jayne Casey is much better on the Pink Military album (Do Animals Believe in God) which was always deeply underrated. Haven't played it for years, mind, so it could sound pants now....might go and play it now! Never bothered buying the Big in Japan stuff as it always seemed expensive at the time! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:35:06 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: disobey/klf/crass << as an aside , what did big in japan sound like? any good? >> Sort of screechy art-punk. Not bad, though Jayne Casey is much better on the Pink Military album (Do Animals Believe in God) which was always deeply underrated. Haven't played it for years, mind, so it could sound pants now....might go and play it now! //// i've got that lp too. i always liked "did you see her" but my favourite track on the album was the title track with a bloke singing. Never bothered buying the Big in Japan stuff as it always seemed expensive at the time! ///// me too , hence the question. i was curious but not "#20 for a single" curious.p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:47:22 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Expressive Meanderings: A HodgePodge of IMO >>>>Impressive beginnings? All of them?! The creeping menace of 'Practice Makes Perfect', the four horsemen ride in for 'Reuters' - these are just 2 of my favourites - no one's mentioned the fabulous boneshaking droner that opens 'Ab Ovo' or the addictive anthemic synth fanfare of 'Patterns of Behaviour' on the vinyl version of 'Manscape' - so I guess I will! Then there's that happy bass & chirpy guitar on 'Lorries' and the propulsive drilling of 'In Every City' (although its downhill for that album afterwards). And on and on forever... >>>>Get all of Bruce's solo albums! All of them! 'This Way to the Shivering Man' Cd is perhaps the easiest intro to his sound world. 'In Esse' is certainly the noisiest & is guaranteed offensive to confused neighbours shouting 'That's not music! It's not!' I'm beginning to think that its possible that I've listened to 'In Esse' more than anyone else on this planet... If you find it hardgoing, try this: chop up 'Soli' using WinAmp - the new juxtapositions reveal lots of detail that the relentless bombardment of the usual linear listen deadens the ears to. My favourite Bruces are 'Ab Ovo' & 'Music For Fruit' More Bruce reviews can be found here: http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine/BRUCEGILBERT.htm My favourite Grahams are 2 Ocsid's & a Hox. Bruce & Graham were the hinges on the door that opened my ears to sound worlds beyond pop/rock normality for which I am forever grateful! But as I say the assimilation of their work took quite a while. 'Ab Ovo' was the one that made me know I had to hear it all. I got into Colin's solo stuff initially - it was easier to find & 'A-Z' made me want to hear everything he'd done! Bruce's is more of a slow burning nature - an acquired taste perhaps, but a unique vision... Colin being more of a pop being. I remember buying 'The Shivering Man' & having absolutely no idea what it was going to sound like, despite having all the Wire & AC Marias (Gilbert & Angela Conway) releases up to that point. Speaking of which, if you haven't heard the AC Marias 'One of Our Girls' CD then I'd recommend it highly! The riff on 'Just Talk' is itself worth a million! >>>>Just an old band who influenced Elastic Woman? Maybe the poor old eNMEy is so confused because Bruce is the one who was in a photo with 'daughter who registered nought' from Elastica as a promo shot for Susan Stenger's first Brood event (at which he let some discs spin themselves in the foyer & at which Robert drummed on Rhys Chatham's phenomenal 'Guitar Trio'). The hack therefore assumes that Bruce is singer, singer is 'mastermind'. Much like the guy in the US who assumed Colin wrote all the lyrics when in fact its mostly Graham who writes a lot of the texts. Another reason not to read it! Like I needed one... Still, everybody makes mistakes, even me! Funnily enough, just like Paul, my first 3 Wire albums were CM, 154, PF in that order. For some reason PF was quite hard to find at the time & I had to send for one by mail. >>>>OT - Michel Faber (ex IC lister) 'Under The Skin' (canongate) is a very good read indeed! I've yet to check out his earlier short story collection 'Some Rain Must Fall', but will do eventually... Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:59:32 EST From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] HaChInPo here it is, again... an happy chirpy initial post, as suggested. Hello list. Have to say that I have been lurking awhile and enjoy the volume and content of the traffic on the list. I'm an old geezer who first got PF on vinyl in the cutout bin in the late 70s at the Record Theatre in Buffalo, NY, USA for .99. Never heard of Wire but in the way of a lot of great discoveries, was intrigued by the song titles and figured that it was worth .99 to see if the choonz lived up to the image generated by the cover and info. I guess it did, because I immediately went out and spent $15.00 for the import copy of CM the minute I could find it. 154 is still one the best albums ever. Sad to say that I find most of the post phase one and solo stuff generally second rate in comparison to mk 1. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, after all. Exceptions being He Said, and some of Colin's earlier solo stuff. The releases by EGL and Bruce that are theoretically music are relevant only in the sense of determining the outer boundaries of your interest in instruments, melody, rhythm, and all that old fashioned stuff. Let the flaming begin!!! Being stuck in the past, and unable to divorce myself from liking actual songs, I still have Durutti Column, Magazine, and Joy Div in heavy rotation. Must confess to playing Prefab Sprout lately a lot also. Sorry. Also enjoy FSOL, Richard H Kirk, and some of the other folks who can put life into electronic music. And now, for our top spot in this week's countdown: Safe Journey, by Steve Tibbetts-- the best kalimba album ever. Cheers, MrNa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:36:07 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: disobey/klf/crass Paul, << //// i've got that lp too. i always liked "did you see her" but my favourite track on the album was the title track with a bloke singing. >> Funny, I was thinking the same thing..... I remembered I had the Big in Japan EP on the Zoo singles comp album....sounds pretty dated (and/or crap), apart from 'Nothing Special', which has something about it, despite showcasing Ms Casey's irritatating voice to the max. Actually, that's its charm.... I remember that as being the track Peel played most. I think I have the peel session somehere. There was also a live EP from what I remember... Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #6 *****************************