From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #2 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, January 3 2001 Volume 04 : Number 002 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Ma McClaren Invents African Drumming????? [PaulRabjohn@ao] Re: [idealcopy] (off topic) John Peel [Mark Short ] Re: [idealcopy] Ma McClaren Invents African Drumming????? ["Stephen Jacks] Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Re: [idealcopy] (off topic) John Peel [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (off topic) John Peel [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] a bell is , undoubtedly , a cup [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Privet Hedge Pissers in Anxious Alleys [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme] Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] (off topic) John Peel [Mark Short ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 04:37:41 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ma McClaren Invents African Drumming????? In a message dated 02/01/01 01:10:41 GMT Standard Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: << speaking of appropriated "ethnic" music, does anyone remember the episode of nothern exposure (80's american t.v. show) with adam ant as guest star? he plays a character similar to himself (or maybe a cross between mclaren & paul simon) who travels to cicely alaska (the town in which the show takes place) and assembles a group of native drummers for his new guitar rock material. i don't recall the ending of the episode, but i think he may have learned the "don't exploit the natives" lesson. not sure. anyone have better recollection? -paul c.d. >> //////adam got himself a real reputation as "mr straight to video" with his "acting" career. the only one i recall was the tragic "slamdance".p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:01:59 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (off topic) John Peel PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > /////// despite 5 sessions , did peel ever really play much wire? i struggle > to recall much in the late 70's and virtually nothing in the 80's. i used to > listen to peel a fair bit then and if he did play much then i missed it. > When Chairs Missing came out, Peel played 3 tracks in an uninterrupted sequence. If Wire had been up there with The Fall, he'd have played a whole side of the record. I can't remember him playing much other Wire; they don't really fit into his "angry young kids with guitars" aesthetic. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:57:42 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ma McClaren Invents African Drumming????? Graeme wrote >No, the drummers of Burundi practised it for years >before McClaren even donned bondage Tartan. Pedant.....;-) >Echo & the Bunnymen invited the drummers themselves to >play on 'All My Colours' aka 'Zimbo' The most depressing song from the most depressing album of all time. Much more low and dark than anything by Nick Drake, Joy Division, The Cure and all the other doom merchants. I guess I should be listening to it, as my girlfriend decided that her New Year resolution was to dump me! (Of shot by both sides) >>>>>Btw, has anyone heard Mansun's cover of "Shot By >Both Sides". Faithful to the original right down to >the trademark McGeoch solo. >Actually they played it on one of Peel's Xmas shows & >I thought it was so unfaithful to the true spirit of >the original as to laughable. What I meant was that they had not made any real attempt to do something original with the song or stylise it any way (like, errr, 12 times U). The guitarist attempted to duplicate the solo even if he played some duds. My statement that it was faithful to the original is correct, and wasn't necessarily a recommendation... >Gary Numan >also appeared, covering himself. In what? Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 07:19:08 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? >now husker du / sugar were 2 bands i just could never get. i loved >the pixies , i loved nirvana but husker du were just....... boring. Husker Du had an occasional gem. "Ice Cold Ice" is one of them - a great pop song. Now Sugar was a real bore! I never cared much to check out Bob Mould's solo stuff. On the other hand, Nova Mob (the band Grant Hart started after HD died) is highly recommended. Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:16:01 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] 12 times you @ pinkflag.com For all those who don't have turntables, have crappy turntables or just hate vinyl, the complete and unabridged 12 times you single mp3's are available from the pinkflag site at http://www.pinkflag.com/download.html. Mind, this is not the address with the java script links that don't work, but direct straightforward download links. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:27:17 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (off topic) John Peel Mark, I remember Peel often reporting that he'd had phone conversations with Graham about various activites, and he certainly played the Pink Flag stuff at the time. But as Wire were on EMI they got less of a look-in than other indie-label bands. Remember Outdoor Miner was full playlist on Radio 1. Mark << When Chairs Missing came out, Peel played 3 tracks in an uninterrupted sequence. If Wire had been up there with The Fall, he'd have played a whole side of the record. I can't remember him playing much other Wire; they don't really fit into his "angry young kids with guitars" aesthetic. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:09:34 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (off topic) John Peel In a message dated 02/01/01 15:33:10 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: << But as Wire were on EMI they got less of a look-in than other indie-label bands. Remember Outdoor Miner was full playlist on Radio 1. >> ///// really? i certainly listened to radio 1 a hell of a lot back then and i didn't think anything as "left-field" as wire got even near the playlist. i recall the daytime shows being all abba and showaddywaddy. but it's a long long time ago.....p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:25:52 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] a bell is , undoubtedly , a cup go look on ebay , somebody is selling a promotional mug for "a bell is a cup". sadly it's not as good as it sounds (there are photos) , it looks like red plastic and costs $15. i resisted this one.... other than t-shirts , has anybody got any other silly wire promo items? i know new order did all sorts of stuff like rulers and pens but i've never seen anything from wire. you'd think EMI might have funded something nice? (please not a satin tour jacket)p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:15:46 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Privet Hedge Pissers in Anxious Alleys >>>>And is the upcoming Colin Newman album going to have anything to do with the Vox Pop album WMO was considering putting out? No. Colin was unhappy about the quality and/or the dated aspect of some of the demos that WMO wanted to release, and decided to redo them. Then he lost interest in the project, and with the reactivation of Wire it would be extremely unlikely that he'd want (or have time) to revisit that material. Some of 'Vox Pop' was going to be songs recorded for a follow up to 'It Seems' which never got released. At least one of these is way better than anything on that album. In Edinburgh, Colin told me he was aiming to finish his new album by the end of 2000 so if all went according to plan, it should be in the bag. Will he call it Bugger, Wanker or Tosser? Or will he dazzle us all with a radical new concept? As for the Albini session, Wire recorded the songs they were playing on the US tour 2000 at Steve's Chicago studio... Check out the most recent Wire interview on 'Cracked Machine' (URL below) for more info on this. lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:22:41 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? >Yeah, I only read about Bryan Ferry an hour ago. Was Tibbs with Roxy Music >when Wire supported them then? > For those of us in the U.S. who haven't heard about this - what happened to Bryan Ferry? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:22:21 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (off topic) John Peel PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 02/01/01 15:33:10 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com > writes: > > << But as Wire were on EMI they got less of a look-in than other > indie-label bands. Remember Outdoor Miner was full playlist on Radio 1. >> > > ///// really? i certainly listened to radio 1 a hell of a lot back then and i > didn't think anything as "left-field" as wire got even near the playlist. i > recall the daytime shows being all abba and showaddywaddy. but it's a long > long time ago.....p Outdoor Miner was the one that EMI hyped into the charts. I suppose that Radio 1 playlisted it because it was in the charts, rather than because they thought it would mesh with "Our Tune". ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #2 *****************************