From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #389 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, January 1 2001 Volume 03 : Number 389 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] standing ovation [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? ["Stephen Jackson" ] [idealcopy] Radio 2 Fun ["Stephen JC Sheen" ] Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Radio 2 Fun [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] (off topic) John Peel ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] Radio 2 Fun ["Stephen Jackson" ] RE: [idealcopy] Radio 2 Fun ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: last call / gilbert box ["Bryan Olson" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Interesting Article About Rolling Stone M agazine ["David Mack" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:18:20 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? the ants guy called himself dave barbe then changed it to dave barbarossa when he joined bow wow wow. i think he was back to barbe for republica (i'd have gone for an alias myself). now husker du / sugar were 2 bands i just could never get. i loved the pixies , i loved nirvana but husker du were just....... boring. i know they have numerous worshippers but i just didn't see it.p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:21:31 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] standing ovation could somebody pse tell me what the big white ovation guitar colin used until recently is. exact model? i was looking at ebay and there are loads of different models listed , none obviously the one i was looking for. any idea what these sell for? p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:39:35 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? Paul said: >mind you , marco's move from rema rema to "kings" was also pretty >interesting.... Never heard Rema Rema. Marco played the infamous Lord's Prayer thing with Siouxsie and Sid. He later ended up writing with Sinead O'Connor. > Btw, has anyone heard Mansun's cover of "Shot By Both Sides". Faithful to > the original right down to the trademark McGeoch solo. > > ///// is that a b-side? p No. They did it live. A carbon copy, right down to the solo. http://www.mansunite.com/shotbybothsides.mp3 Elsewhere Mark wrote >Dave Barbarossa wasn't it? Dave Barbe was the bassist in Sugar... >I'll get me anorak... He was known as Barbe and Barbarossa, the latter presumably after the Russian front operation. Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:02:24 -0000 From: "Stephen JC Sheen" Subject: [idealcopy] Radio 2 Fun Anyone else share this odd Wire moment ? Driving back from seeing the Baggies stuff it up the Trotters, chilling out in the snow and fog by tuning into the easy listening comforts of BBC Radio 2. At 9:13pm, "Field Day for the Sundays" played complete and unabridged. Strange. For those who like their lists, this year's John Peel Festive Fifty is announced ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/peel_festive_fifty.shtml Many list member favourites included, but no Twelve Times You. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:30:31 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? Never heard Rema Rema. Marco played the infamous Lord's Prayer thing with Siouxsie and Sid. He later ended up writing with Sinead O'Connor. ///// rema rema just did one 12" , its a real treat. unlikeliest set of bedfellows ever ; marco , allen & cox who became the wolfgang press and gary asquith who was the singer of renegade soundwave. not sure who's singing on the tracks as the vocals are really distorted. i think they just played a handful of gigs , must've been quite a sight. big black used to cover the song "rema rema" , one of the 4 tracks on the 12". those albini sessions are elusive aren't they? p > Btw, has anyone heard Mansun's cover of "Shot By Both Sides". Faithful to > the original right down to the trademark McGeoch solo. > > ///// is that a b-side? p No. They did it live. A carbon copy, right down to the solo. http://www.mansunite.com/shotbybothsides.mp3 Elsewhere Mark wrote >Dave Barbarossa wasn't it? Dave Barbe was the bassist in Sugar... >I'll get me anorak... He was known as Barbe and Barbarossa, the latter presumably after the Russian front operation. Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (rly-xb02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.103]) by air-xb04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:40:58 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [216.200.102.14]) by rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:40:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id HAA23967; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:37:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id HAA23948 for idealcopy-outgoing; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from eratosthenes.zen.co.uk (eratosthenes.zen.co.uk [212.23.8.28]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with SMTP id HAA23943 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18677 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2000 12:35:28 -0000 Received: from 89.quine.zen.co.uk (HELO default) (212.23.18.217) by eratosthenes.zen.co.uk with SMTP for ; 31 Dec 2000 12:35:28 -0000 X-Envelope-To: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Message-ID: <008001c07326$bc796e00$d91217d4@default> From: "Stephen Jackson" To: , Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:39:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:33:41 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radio 2 Fun In a message dated 31/12/00 13:08:28 GMT Standard Time, ssheen@clara.co.uk writes: << Anyone else share this odd Wire moment ? Driving back from seeing the Baggies stuff it up the Trotters, chilling out in the snow and fog by tuning into the easy listening comforts of BBC Radio 2. At 9:13pm, "Field Day for the Sundays" played complete and unabridged. Strange. >> ////// the other day i heard a radio 2 show and they segued coldplay into westlife. bit insulting i thought (to westlife...). but "field day" is a real surprise ; one of only 2 EMI songs with a naughty word in , not the one i'd have thought they'd have chosen..... p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:53:57 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] (off topic) John Peel > For those who like their lists, this year's John Peel Festive Fifty is > announced ... > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/peel_festive_fifty.shtml Many > list member favourites included, but no Twelve Times You. There isn't a single of instance of Wire on Peel's all time festive fifty as well - I found it an extremely strange list: Most of the tracks are from the 80's, there's too much Joy Division (but not too much Fall - I'm in complete agreement with Mr. Peel on this point), too much PJ Harvey (with all due respect, she's nice enough but not that nice), one too much Smells Like Fucking Teen Spirit at no. 8 and a surprising and worrying appearance of Pulp's Common People. What is this crap? I thought Peel was Mr. alternative, the only broadcaster who's tastes trully change according to the newest and most extreme marginal music, whose only constant behaviour, as far as musical tastes come and go, is The Fall. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:29:37 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radio 2 Fun >////// the other day i heard a radio 2 show and they segued coldplay into >westlife. bit insulting i thought (to westlife...). but "field day" is a real >surprise ; one of only 2 EMI songs with a naughty word in , not the one i'd >have thought they'd have chosen..... p The other one being "Mr Suit"? "Pisses" is a bit of a naughty word too, and that's on "Chairs Missing"...... Scary, but I've been known to turn Radio 2 on recently and enjoyed the experience, mainly because Jonathon Ross keeps playing tracks off XTC's "Wasp Star" and I like having the novelty of bands I never hear on the radio being, errr, heard on the radio! Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:11:12 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Radio 2 Fun >////// the other day i heard a radio 2 show and they segued coldplay into >westlife. bit insulting i thought (to westlife...). but "field day" is a real >surprise ; one of only 2 EMI songs with a naughty word in , not the one i'd >have thought they'd have chosen..... p The other one being "Mr Suit"? "Pisses" is a bit of a naughty word too, and that's on "Chairs Missing"...... Scary, but I've been known to turn Radio 2 on recently and enjoyed the experience, mainly because Jonathon Ross keeps playing tracks off XTC's "Wasp Star" and I like having the novelty of bands I never hear on the radio being, errr, heard on the radio! Steve. This could run as a bit of a theme, but it seems to me that Radio 2 is the only national station that you can hear Clash & Buzzcocks. Jonathan Ross was very quickly into Wasp Star and only the other day was heard to be playing Blue Nile's "Tinseltown in the Rain". - a classic of it's time, and still in my all time top 10. Btw a question to a Norwegian member of a football list I subscribe to (Grimsby Town, since ask). ///Have you heard of Norwegian indie-pop darlings The Kings Of Convenience?/// - anybody? AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:02:20 -0800 From: "Bryan Olson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: last call / gilbert box > btw - wmo/usa has less than 10 pacific/specific as well - when they are gone > - they are gone - > Got 'em - of course I hope the original MZUI album will be released. And is the upcoming Colin Newman album going to have anything to do with the Vox Pop album WMO was considering putting out? What exactly are the Steve Albini sessions? New Wire material? - -Bryan 93, 93/93 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:30:59 -0800 From: "David Mack" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: ITW For...? Work or Play? > I once interviewed the former CEO of the Illinois Tool Works. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:38:17 -0800 From: "David Mack" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Interesting Article About Rolling Stone M agazine > quick question ; does rolling stone have real credibility in the US? does it > break bands? i occasionally flick at a copy at an airport or a megastore and > it looks pretty tedious stuff , it isn't seriously circulated in the UK. just > wondering.p RS has as much to do with music nowadays as MTV (similar marketing directions methinks) A quick note - having haad several friends and acquaintences in rock-dom over the years, the longest article on anyone of my acquaintence was on a former co-worker who has no musical inclination whatsoever. Jesse is the subject of a full-length book now http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/037550298X/ref=sc_b_1/107-5641633-527 4961 (and a hell of a nice kid as well) The RS aartice was 8 pages with many photos - most bands get 2-3 pages with a couple photos. Eminem was on the cover of that issue , and he got 4 pages :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:41:22 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] standing ovation Paul, It's an Ovation Breadwinner (shite name!) They go for about #250-#300. Quite fancy one myself. Also a Lewis 'rail' bass - which is a cheapo Hohner copy, not an original Steinberger....expect to pay less than #200. I'll get me Nils Lofgren tour jecket Mark << could somebody pse tell me what the big white ovation guitar colin used until recently is. exact model? i was looking at ebay and there are loads of different models listed , none obviously the one i was looking for. any idea what these sell for? p >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:43:55 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? Steve, Paul, Worth going to the Mansun site to get the version of Railings (Mansun b-side w Devoto lyrics) with Howie boy singing. Really good. Mansun are OK... very good live when I saw them at a small club a few years back (Oxford Zodiac). I liked the Six album, despite its prog pretensions.. Mark << > Btw, has anyone heard Mansun's cover of "Shot By Both Sides". Faithful to > the original right down to the trademark McGeoch solo. > > ///// is that a b-side? p No. They did it live. A carbon copy, right down to the solo. http://www.mansunite.com/shotbybothsides.mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:46:46 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC?/ adam ant? Paul, Never copped the line up factoids! The Rema Rema thing is very good, I agree. Mark << ///// rema rema just did one 12" , its a real treat. unlikeliest set of bedfellows ever ; marco , allen & cox who became the wolfgang press and gary asquith who was the singer of renegade soundwave. not sure who's singing on the tracks as the vocals are really distorted. i think they just played a handful of gigs , must've been quite a sight. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:48:48 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radio 2 Fun >surprise ; one of only 2 EMI songs with a naughty word in , not the one i'd >have thought they'd have chosen..... p The other one being "Mr Suit"? ///// yeah , US copies had a warning sticker to save the corruption of american youth....... "Pisses" is a bit of a naughty word too, and that's on "Chairs Missing"...... //// which song is that? Scary, but I've been known to turn Radio 2 on recently and enjoyed the experience, mainly because Jonathon Ross keeps playing tracks off XTC's "Wasp Star" and I like having the novelty of bands I never hear on the radio being, errr, heard on the radio! /////// it's a bizarre channel ; they play some quite good oldies interspersed with utter shite like the corrs/beautiful south/coldplay. hard to see who they're aiming at..... p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 21:40:36 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: ITW Dan, Work. I interviewed him for an auto industry paper in the UK, at a trade show in the US a couple of years ago. He runs the dot-com bit of AutoNation in the US. Mark << For...? Work or Play? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 00:41:01 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hindman Subject: [idealcopy] yo! Happy new years y'all!!! :) Yahoo! 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