From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #386 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, December 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 386 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Interesting Article About Rolling Stone M agazine ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC? [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC? [Aaron Mandel ] RE: [idealcopy] Illinois Tool Works ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: [idealcopy] Illinois Tool Works [Rob Warnock ] RE: [idealcopy] Illinois Tool Works [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Interesting Article About Rolling Stone M agazine If you're at all interested in an interesting article about the fall of the once mighty Rolling Stone Magazine, take a look at this: http://www.nationalreview.com/weekend/music/music-domenech122200.shtml I can find no real faults in the arguments the story posits... It even brings up an evil alliance with MTV that I never noticed, though I hope I can be forgiven for not seeing that connection because I haven't watched MTV or read Rolling Stone since the 80's (with the exception of Beavis & Butthead, Ren & Stimpy, and Speed Racer on MTV, and PJ O'Rourke articles in RS). Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Manager Comark, Inc. 'Giving money and power to politicians is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.' -- P.J. O'Rourke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:48:44 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Silber Subject: [idealcopy] ITWINC? | | Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:15:15 -0600 (CST) | From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey | Subject: [idealcopy] website worth looking at... | | Wire fans owe it to themselves to investigate: www.itwinc.com. | | - --Jeff Um, perhaps I'm missing something very vital from the link, but I'm not sure the connection between Illinois Tool Works Inc. and our favorite band? Please share with the not-so-swift like myself - - - - - - - - - It's no fun being an intellectual by yourself... Book - John Updike: Rabbit, Run Film - Atom Egoyan: Family Viewing (reallyreallyreally good - Egoyan's a master) CD - Adam Ant: Manners and Physique _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:01:39 -0800 (PST) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC? Joseph, think about the song 'Follow the Locust'. Eric Astro Page http://community.webtv.net/eric719/TheStrangListDeep ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:59:42 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ITWINC? On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Eric Strang wrote: > think about the song 'Follow the Locust'. ah! and here my best guess was there was some special offer earlier on "DRILLS DRILLS DRILLS" which had been taken down by the time i got around to viewing the site. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:56:41 -0600 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Illinois Tool Works I remember this dij` vu-like moment that relates directly to this issue. Many years ago whilst driving up one of Chicago's many expressways (you may call them motorways or superhighways, but in Chicago, we refer to them as expressways... yeah, yeah, and we like to give them goofy names too!), I think it was along the I-57 'Bishop Ford Freeway' which travels along the southeast side of Chicago and it's suburbs. Much of this area is now industrial wasteland, a rust-belt monument to the short-sightedness of steel companies, and the greed of union workers. A few decades ago, Chicago and Gary, Indiana used to produce a HUGE amount of steel. All of that is now gone. Getting back to the main thrust of the story, I was driving up I-57 heading into Chicago. I don't normally take I-57, it's usually in a terrible state of disrepair, and it frankly goes through really bad neighborhoods, but all other routes into the city were congested and I decided to take it. I was speeding along, minding my own business, when I saw a huge building with gigantic lettering along the road: I L L I N O I S T O O L W O R K S Having heard 'Follow the Locust' before ever seeing this building, I couldn't help but imagine the various members of Wire, or at least Graham, traveling to Chicago on tour and seeing this monumental example of industrial obsolescence, and popping it into the lyrics of a song they were working on. 'The Flight Nurse attends me, but I can't wait to see the Doctor...' Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** Carthago delenda est. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:04:28 -0600 From: Rob Warnock Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Illinois Tool Works Ciscon, Ray wrote: > > > Getting back to the main thrust of the story, I was driving up I-57 heading > into Chicago. I don't normally take I-57, it's usually in a terrible state > of disrepair, and it frankly goes through really bad neighborhoods, but all > other routes into the city were congested and I decided to take it. I was > speeding along, minding my own business, when I saw a huge building with > gigantic lettering along the road: > > I L L I N O I S T O O L W O R K S > > Having heard 'Follow the Locust' before ever seeing this building, I > couldn't help but imagine the various members of Wire, or at least Graham, > traveling to Chicago on tour and seeing this monumental example of > industrial obsolescence, and popping it into the lyrics of a song they were > working on. > >I think there is (or was) also an Illinois Tool Works building on I-90, heading out from the city towards O'Hare. I remember a similar thing happening when I noticed the building about two years after I had heard 'Follow the Locust' for the first time. - -Rob- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:21:44 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Illinois Tool Works On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Ciscon, Ray wrote: > speeding along, minding my own business, when I saw a huge building with > gigantic lettering along the road: > > I L L I N O I S T O O L W O R K S > > Having heard 'Follow the Locust' before ever seeing this building, I > couldn't help but imagine the various members of Wire, or at least Graham, > traveling to Chicago on tour and seeing this monumental example of > industrial obsolescence, and popping it into the lyrics of a song they were > working on. If so, that makes it a sibling song to Elvis Costello's "Green Shirt," which refers to the "Quisling Clinic" - an actual, art-deco building in Madison, Wisconsin that he saw while on tour. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #386 *******************************