From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #376 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, December 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 376 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] lesangdunpoete ["giluz" ] RE: CAGE was Re: [idealcopy] A stupid (indirect) inquiry ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Real Video experiments - with Radiohead! ["Paul P] Re: [idealcopy] colin ; the untold truth [MarkBursa@aol.com] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Real Video experiments - with Radiohead! [PaulRabjohn@aol.c] Re: [idealcopy] colin ; the untold truth [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:25:21 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] lesangdunpoete > Further to my last message can I just say that while lesangdunpoete is a > dreadful name for a band and they claim to be a cross between the Cars > and Wire, they are actually rather good! But do they actually sound like a mix between Wire and the Cars? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:24:41 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: CAGE was Re: [idealcopy] A stupid (indirect) inquiry > Be warned though - the description sounds way better than the actual piece Well, that's what most of Cage's compositions are all about - it's the idea behind the piece which is more important than its 'musical' content. It's not much to listen to but it's a great read and certainly had a huge influence on any experimental music made in the last few decades (Wire related stuff included, of course). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:12:34 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: CAGE was Re: [idealcopy] A stupid (indirect) inquiry Well, that's what most of Cage's compositions are all about - it's the idea behind the piece which is more important than its 'musical' content. ///// you know on that principle i could have a great career in front of me.... :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:34:45 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: CAGE was Re: [idealcopy] A stupid (indirect) inquiry > Well, that's what most of Cage's compositions are all about - > it's the idea > behind the piece which is more important than its 'musical' content. > > ///// you know on that principle i could have a great career in front of > me.... :-) p Yeah, but we were all born too late, right? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:30:20 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT: MM Dies, NME next? This is what happens when you let coke-addled Marketing consultants decide what the music press should be like. Has anyone noticed The NME has been dumbing down like crazy for most of this year? They must have known the Maker was due to fold and were preparing to take on its younger, rockier readership. ///// was there one to take? i don't think that new MM format caught on at all I wondered why they had given so many column inches over to naughty-teenagers-black-t-shirt-with-swear-words music. This year they've been wanking about Eminem, Limp Bizkit, Rage against the Washing Machine, Marilyn Manson, Blink 182 and just about any other artless US lad-rock drivel you care to mention. ///// if you look at mtv/mtv2 you've gotta say its those acts that seem to sell. there was a hilarious statistic off the t-shirt stand at reading , i think oasis sold 43 t-shirts and limp bizkit about 3000. every time i turn on mtv i see fred durst's ugly mug gurning at me and it's getting a bit tedious. mind you , it is a little heartening to see most of these spokespersons for middle american teenagers are about 35 so there's still some hope for me yet (well , a little maybe). I've bought NME every week for 10 years. This week was the first week I didn't buy it because it features an artist who for me represents the antithesis of everything I believe music should be about. I'm not even going to mention his name cos he gets far too much publicity as it is... but that hat he's wearing must stink of sweat by now. Well it probably doesn't because the lazy slack arsed moron probably never breaks into one. /// it's the prog revival maaan. So now we're left with entertaining but musically cloth-eared Q (three words....The Beautiful South) ////// well i generally buy this as the best of a bad bunch. it started out as phil collins fan club but it has a vague stab at modern stuff these days , and they review almost anything that get's released. i'd buy something better if it existed , honest. OK there is always 'The Wire'....they mean well (and Wire issue was superb) but one requires a Phd in Jazz or World Music in order to understand half of what they write about /// so nicely printed too. god know's how it stays in business. Best music magazine I ever read was a thing called Lime Lizard. A lot of the writing and photography was crap but they had found a happy medium between NME's kiddy-indie and The Wire's chin-stroking mathematic approach. Whatever happend to that one? ////// i still have the copy with wir in it , some lovely pix of colin's ponytail. loads of indie magazines have tried but failed to find enough of a market. they all seem to end up compromising on the editorial and running big stories on "name" bands to pull in ads/sales and then losing what made them special in the first place. zigzag was the one i used to love in the late 70's , that was brilliant. maybe the net has killed off the possibility for these mags? whatever , it's hard to see anyone bothering to start much up now after so many have failed.p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:35:28 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: CAGE was Re: [idealcopy] A stupid (indirect) inquiry > Well, that's what most of Cage's compositions are all about - > it's the idea > behind the piece which is more important than its 'musical' content. > > ///// you know on that principle i could have a great career in front of > me.... :-) p Yeah, but we were all born too late, right? giluz ////// mmm , all these bastards ripping off my ideas years before i would have had them. maybe we should give up these ideas of pop stardom and tackle the avant garde market , has the added advantage you don't need to look like you belong in a boy band.p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:42:31 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Edinburgh Setlist PaulRabjohn posted the setlist a few days ago... From memory I think it was Zoom Heartbeat Ally In Exile Boiling Boy* He Knows* Germ Ship Advantage in Height* Lowdown* Another the Letter* 12XU* Pink Flag* Drill Could be wrong though... *Songs played at every Wire gig in 2000. Check the recent bits of the Ideal Copy archive for more info! It was my fifth Wire gig of the year & also in some ways the best, in that they seemed to play even better than they did @ the Garage & RFH. I also had a great time in Edinburgh. Where's me simply jolly Xmas dolly then? Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:50:32 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: CAGE was Re: [idealcopy] A stupid (indirect) inquiry > ////// mmm , all these bastards ripping off my ideas years before i would > have had them. maybe we should give up these ideas of pop stardom > and tackle > the avant garde market , has the added advantage you don't need > to look like > you belong in a boy band.p But then you'd have to look like you belong in an avant-garde ensemble, which, whatever it means nowadays, could even be worse... giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:53:34 -0000 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] he said........aaaarghhh It could be Postcode Orange > Excerpts from mail: 14-Dec-100 [idealcopy] he said.......... by > PaulRabjohn@aol.com > > so what are these 4 vids then? i've seen pulling 3g's and a bit of pump, > > i guess there must be a "could you" clip. i suppose the other must be > > "only one I" or "pale feet". anyone seen these? p > > There are videos for "Could You", "Pulling 3gs", and "Pump". I don't > know what the 4th is. You're probably right - "Pale Feet". > > (A)ndrew Westmeyer > qwerty@cmu.edu > www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty > > "I've been known to dabble." -007 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:39:03 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Askew?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Edinburgh Thanks Thank you wire listers ..... It's obvious Edinburgh was no fluke. I'll pay more attention to wire activities in future! Thanks again for the set lists and I've enjoyed the Edinburgh stories in the archive. I think I might enjoy this list. Thanks, Michael. Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:27:18 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: CAGE was Re: [idealcopy] A stupid (indirect) inquiry > ////// mmm , all these bastards ripping off my ideas years before i would > have had them. maybe we should give up these ideas of pop stardom > and tackle > the avant garde market , has the added advantage you don't need > to look like > you belong in a boy band.p But then you'd have to look like you belong in an avant-garde ensemble, which, whatever it means nowadays, could even be worse... giluz ////// sadly my current hairstyle puts me well out of the competition on the boy band front so i am gonna have to stick with that avant-garde idea. do hipsters still wear berets and black roll neck jumpers? i need this info........ p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:29:34 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] he said........aaaarghhh In a message dated 17/12/00 17:57:26 GMT Standard Time, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: << It could be Postcode Orange >> ///// no , it said the video was from 1988. i am informed there are vids for both pale feet and only one I so i guess one of those (why not both , eh?) p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:30:31 -0600 From: "squonk" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] C A G E The Cage tribute is notable for a few things. One being that it is best played in shuffle mode. Another is that there is no BG contribution ;) David (who had the honor and priviledge of performing in a couple concerts of Cage's music (long ago) with Mr. Cage present and speaking at both events. Ah, those formative experiences bts- "the Blood of a Poet" is a Jean Cocteau film as well. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:25:30 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Real Video experiments - with Radiohead! Hi everyone, A few months ago, I put up some live performances on American TV of Radiohead, PJ Harvey and Pearl Jam. The main problem is that the smallest I could make the video files with QuickTime was about 13 Megs each - far too big for an average modem download. Well, I just got a copy of RealProducer, so I've encoded the videos to RealVideo G2 at 28k & 56k speeds. So, if you wanted to check the videos out before, but didn't have enough bandwidth, try it again: http://www.weasel-bot.com/tv Private use only, etc. Let me know if it works. paulp@wrq.com Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:02:31 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] colin ; the untold truth Paul, He has a "Collaborative and co-operative working style and likes "singing and choral music". Must be our man! I also find on Ebay that there's a Colin Newman who makes nice twee painted plates. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:04:29 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Real Video experiments - with Radiohead! Return-Path: Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:03:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:03:35 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: on the subject of these internet webcasts , dunno if anyone tried to look at that pjh one i posted last week. i had a few goes and just got "internet congestion" messages. is this typical? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:09:56 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] colin ; the untold truth << Paul, He has a "Collaborative and co-operative working style and likes "singing and choral music". Must be our man! I also find on Ebay that there's a Colin Newman who makes nice twee painted plates. ///// that crappy cv really made me laugh , also all the mentions of "voice" , there was just enough colin references to make you wonder.... there's also another singer called colin newman , i think there's a release as "colin newman & janet smith". maybe that's the choral music fan not telling the whole truth on his cv as it'd make him look a bit racey? p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #376 *******************************