From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #375 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, December 17 2000 Volume 03 : Number 375 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Mags [Wireviews ] Re: CAGE was Re: [idealcopy] A stupid (indirect) inquiry [Eardrumbuz@aol] Re: [idealcopy] Hello [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] lesangdunpoete [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] colin ; the untold truth [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Ocsid [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] [idealcopy] OT: MM Dies, NME next? [Tim Robinson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:30:45 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Mags >> so now its just the nme , i guess nobody reads any more. p<< >Well there's Q, Mojo, Uncut, Kerrang, MixMag, DJ, >Classic Rock, The Wire etc. >It's all niche marketing these days! Absolutely, although I have to say that The Wire and sometimes Mojo/MixMag are pretty good mags and worth the occassional read. The writing was on the wall for MM as soon as it began masquerading as the Beano. C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:36:03 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: CAGE was Re: [idealcopy] A stupid (indirect) inquiry In a message dated 12/14/0 2:23:29 PM, bamboo7431@hotmail.com writes: >Chance Operation: The John Cage Tribute >Track listing at http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=A191809 >IIRC, the track I was talking about is track 9 - >Art Is Self-Alteration Is Cage Is... performed by Austin, Larry / Black, >Robert > >Be warned though - the description sounds way better than the actual piece > hehe, i love that kind of stuff :o) actually had the chance to see cage perform twice, three times if you count his score for a merce cunningham dance performance. that one was prerecorded, but he was there to oversee it, or perhaps just to see the show. thanks for the info! - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:43:26 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hello Was this typical of the live wire show?...how did it rate against other recent shows? ////// now that is a splendid question. i think we all ought to say which one we enjoyed most and maybe rank them. hrer's mine ; 1. nottm (just to see it all kick off again and to be up so close) 2= rfh (fabulous event) 2= garage saturday (for the encore) 2= edinburgh 3 garage sunday (still great , but not as good as the night before) (yes i know that's a bit of a cop out but its hard to choose) Also I hope not to be a pain on my first posting...but can anyone send me a set list from the above show? Well thanks and bye for now.... ////// i'm going to scan it and post to wireviews. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:51:49 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lesangdunpoete any french speaking folk able to translate the name? - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:05:19 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] colin ; the untold truth go check this out for a giggle ; http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/colin_newman/careersu.htm who'dve thought it! p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:08:12 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Ocsid Ocsid 99 1112 (Ash International [R.I.P.] - Ash 5.7) Just want to get on the outside... I was dreaming... ##### I began to lose control... I was feeling insecure... Cheeky sample checklist - Wir He Said John Lennon Lennon's loss of control could be seen as the ultimate representaion of the hopelessness of the hapless 20th century rock star. During the final years of his life Lennon, who had always sung of freeing the mind, was utterly confined and alienated by his massive popularity. >>>>>You've overstepped the mark! Cut up officious German voice, zooms in and out of focus, and echoes incoherently about in vast grey chambers, ordering the mashing of all brass bands by giant rotor blades. But the brass bands are irrepressible and parp from beyond the grave. Their bodies were gone, but their art lingered on. They cannot mash us all. Frozen gun shot beats decelerated to 3 rpm, energy sucked into circuit boards and blasted out in terror or joy? Is that 'Casino Royale' in your kitchen? >>>>>You've overstepped the mark! Technology as a means of control, tracking, scanning, spying or as the liberator of humans from their present lamentable condition. The internet has been called a great equaliser, but perhaps the atom bomb is more so. Closed circuit TV crackle - On screen: Ocsid presenting technology as a step or series of steps leading either up or down? Or are they just leading? Fractured Radio broadcasts hijacked and ruptured... 'Ominous' replaces 'Edvard' as his name on days like these! >>>>>You've overstepped the mark! Massive solitary pulses, drones, hums, machines taking over? Over what? Late Throbbing Gristle into Coil - elph and beyond. It's sinister but sometimes once is not enough! Glitches twitch... The spur of 'In Esse'? Improvisation? It can't be the theme from 'Countdown' can it? >>>>>You've overstepped the mark! It could be considered post-industrial even though that's too much of a defining cliche for sound sculpture as unique and unsettling as this. >>>>>>>>>>>Security Breach<<<<<<<<<<< is a perfect soundtrack to atrophy and decay of control, starting with the oppressive bleak atmospheres of surveillance and latterly piling up apocalyptic noise collages which collapse into escape pod techno beats. Ultimately, is defining shapes for protest music in the 21st century - disco in reverse indeed... Just want to get on the outside... Just want to get on the outside... Just want to get on the outside... ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:46:20 +0000 From: They Wait Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lesangdunpoete on 16/12/00 5:51 pm, Eardrumbuz@aol.com at Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > any french speaking folk able to translate the name? > > -paul c.d. the blood of a poet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 03:16:34 +0000 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] OT: MM Dies, NME next? Paul wrote: > Subject: [idealcopy] (OT)save the trees > > well i see today that monotony maker has folded ; that smash hits format was > going nowhere. another part of my history gone. also select has been canned > too , but that was always pretty pants to be honest. so now its just the nme > , i guess nobody reads any more. p This is what happens when you let coke-addled Marketing consultants decide what the music press should be like. Has anyone noticed The NME has been dumbing down like crazy for most of this year? They must have known the Maker was due to fold and were preparing to take on its younger, rockier readership. I wondered why they had given so many column inches over to naughty-teenagers-black-t-shirt-with-swear-words music. This year they've been wanking about Eminem, Limp Bizkit, Rage against the Washing Machine, Marilyn Manson, Blink 182 and just about any other artless US lad-rock drivel you care to mention. This at the expense of what I want the NME for which is LP and gig reviews and gig listings and New Music?!?!. Thing is by the time those lazy gits catch up with anything really interesting its been and gone! I've bought NME every week for 10 years. This week was the first week I didn't buy it because it features an artist who for me represents the antithesis of everything I believe music should be about. I'm not even going to mention his name cos he gets far too much publicity as it is... but that hat he's wearing must stink of sweat by now. Well it probably doesn't because the lazy slack arsed moron probably never breaks into one. So now we're left with entertaining but musically cloth-eared Q (three words....The Beautiful South) , the well-written/illustrated by horribly backward looking pipe and slippers MoJo, various permutations on Which Drug/Fluffy Bra-top magazine full of photos of gurning morons (Mixmag, DJ, Ministry) and Uncut....the magazine for people who like Films and Music....they write/draw/photograph splendidly about music but unfortunately only music made between 1976 and 1990! OK there is always 'The Wire'....they mean well (and Wire issue was superb) but one requires a Phd in Jazz or World Music in order to understand half of what they write about Best music magazine I ever read was a thing called Lime Lizard. A lot of the writing and photography was crap but they had found a happy medium between NME's kiddy-indie and The Wire's chin-stroking mathematic approach. Whatever happend to that one? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #375 *******************************