From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #373 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, December 15 2000 Volume 03 : Number 373 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wire addresses ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] talismanic [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" [MarkBursa@aol.c] Re: [idealcopy] "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" [MarkBursa@aol.c] RE: [idealcopy] "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Xmas Break [kevin eden ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:58:38 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wire addresses > Next time I shall try and engage my brain..I'm tired ok? As far as I know > Colin Newman is based in Belgium, Lewis in Sweden, Gotobed and Gilbert in > England. > Colin & Malka moved to London sometime in the beginning of the 90's, if I'm not mistaken. I think one of the main reasons for this was that in London you could have a fairly sized crowd for the kind of music they're making, as opposed to Belgium, which is too small for off-mainstream acts. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 04:58:07 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] talismanic David, Didn't realise they played it in the US. They did it at the RFH, but at none of the three Garage gigs. Shame - it was good at the RFH! Mark << a high point for wire mark iii for me tho 2 people in a room - you *were* at metro last time, right? the piece gained some stature in my estimation that evening fairly knocked me through the back wall >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:21:46 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" Graeme, The Fall were far from dull at the RFH, and the new album is a cracker... Mark << Once again Wire were in appearance unique and in action of course they delivered. If only there was even just one other British rock band even half this magnificent! Yeah, The Fall still make good records, but the last three gigs I've seen them do have been very dull. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:22:58 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" And this coming from a man with a bottle of fire water in his back pocket ;-) Mark (not an alocohlic...honesht!...hic!) << Met up with Mark Bursa and Paul Rabjohn in the bar of the very posh Balmoral Hotel where Mark was staying. These guys are both bigger than me and seem to like a drink... all evening I kept turning round to find another beer! Thanks! >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:15 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" > Graeme, > > The Fall were far from dull at the RFH, and the new album is a cracker... > > Mark That's what makes the Fall so interesting - you don't know what to expect next: One gig could be horrible and the next brilliant. The same goes for their albums. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:36:43 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] OT:Fall was "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" I heard a couple of tracks from the new Fall CD. Excellent! A couple of months ago The Wire gave out a double CD. Dr Box's Letter (correct name?) is probably the most innovate track on the 2 CDs. Never seen them live though : ( Talking of which, who's going to the Union Chapel to see A Silver Mount Zion (Godspeed spin off)? Chris. MarkBursa@aol.com on 14/12/2000 10:21:46 To: crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk, idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" Graeme, The Fall were far from dull at the RFH, and the new album is a cracker... Mark << Once again Wire were in appearance unique and in action of course they delivered. If only there was even just one other British rock band even half this magnificent! Yeah, The Fall still make good records, but the last three gigs I've seen them do have been very dull. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:57:00 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Off-Topic: Krautrock vs. post-rock - followup to: Fall was "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" > I heard a couple of tracks from the new Fall CD. Excellent! A couple of > months ago The Wire gave out a double CD. Dr Box's Letter (correct name?) > is probably the most innovate track on the 2 CDs. > Never seen them live though : ( > Talking of which, who's going to the Union Chapel to see A Silver Mount > Zion (Godspeed spin off)? > I didn't know they were a Godspeed spinoff, but I'm not surprised, though. Heard one of their CD's and thought it was too prog-rock and acoustic to my taste - looks like post-rock's dividing into the same division Krautrock had: You've got the rhythm section based bands, such as Can, Neu and to a certain extent Faust, and on the other hand you've got the space rock bands such as Amon Duul or Ash Ra Temple. The latter kind always sounded too hippy and 60's for me, as do their post-rock successors. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:54:55 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Fall Giluz, While I accept that consistency is an issue with the Fall, I can't really remember seeing a gig that could be classed as "horrible" (out of a sample of about 25 between 1979 and 2000). Likewise I can't think of an album that doesn't have at least two truly great tracks. At least six of the albums are superb...the new one is the best since Infotainment Scam. Mark << That's what makes the Fall so interesting - you don't know what to expect next: One gig could be horrible and the next brilliant. The same goes for their albums. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:01:35 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Off-Topic: Krautrock vs. post-rock - followup to: Fall was "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" Giluz, A bit about ASMZ from their site. If you like Godspeed (Lift Your Skinny Fists... is excellent!) then you'll like these. Get yourself a glass of red wine and something to smoke, unplug the phone and press play. Well, it works for me. : ) Chris. A Silver Mt. Zion is a group led by founding godspeed you black emperor! guitarist Efrim, together with other godspeed members Sophie and Thierry. The music was written by Efrim and arranged by the trio. Efrim plays mostly piano, some guitar, and provides the vocals on the one lyrical piece on their debut. Thierry contributes upright and electric bass, and Sophie plays violin. To some extent, A Silver Mt. Zion was born out of a desire on the part of these godspeed players to work in a smaller musical ensemble; in effect, to escape some of the constraints that often accompany writing and arranging music democratically with nine musicians. As well, Efrim simply wanted a vehicle to realise some of his own musical ideas that would not necessarily work well within the context of godspeed. "giluz" on 14/12/2000 10:57:00 To: "IdealCopy" , Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS cc: Subject: RE: Off-Topic: Krautrock vs. post-rock - followup to: Fall was "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" I didn't know they were a Godspeed spinoff, but I'm not surprised, though. Heard one of their CD's and thought it was too prog-rock and acoustic to my taste - looks like post-rock's dividing into the same division Krautrock had: You've got the rhythm section based bands, such as Can, Neu and to a certain extent Faust, and on the other hand you've got the space rock bands such as Amon Duul or Ash Ra Temple. The latter kind always sounded too hippy and 60's for me, as do their post-rock successors. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:05:50 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Call that Baby 'Dome'/7" >And has anyone checked the samples from new 7" on PinkFlag.com >lately? Initially there were short samples of the two songs; now it's loops >of the songs, and a window comes up and the pink flag icon >dances all around it as the music plays--very funny. A new way to >drive your coworkers nuts. Whoever did it didn't do it right (I hate JavaScript-related problems). In Netscape (4.72) the window simply opens blank, in IE (4.something) it gives you a runtime error. Luckily there is a backdoor, just go to: http://www.pinkflag.com/swf/ Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:11:48 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: CAGE was Re: [idealcopy] A stupid (indirect) inquiry >>a composition on one of the John Cage tribute albums that >>employed 16 basses, 4 of them playing the note C, 4 - A, 4 - G and >4 - E) >never heard that one! description sounds gorgeous! :o) what tribute >album >is this? Chance Operation: The John Cage Tribute Track listing at http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=A191809 IIRC, the track I was talking about is track 9 - Art Is Self-Alteration Is Cage Is... performed by Austin, Larry / Black, Robert Be warned though - the description sounds way better than the actual piece Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:17:11 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Gabriel Garcia Marquez Thanks for the tragic news, Rick. What a sad loss it will be. Marquez wrote some great books - 'A Hundred Years of Solitude' must be one of the finest ever written. The most recent one I read was a fascinating document culled from interviews with Chilean film director Miguel Littin who was exiled from his homeland but sneaked back in disguise as a greedy businessman to show the outside world how people were living under the fist of that ugly deathsucking bastard Pinochet (the only 'friend' of the heartless 'Blue Queen'). It's called 'Clandestine in Chile' ISBN 0-8050-9045-0 published by Owl Books. Marquez left his mark... I passed his moving message on to others who will read it. Flying Hats at Half Mast, Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:04:06 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] he said........aaaarghhh shit. i really thought i had a good find on ebay yesterday. 4 track he said promo video from 1988 for #3.50. well it was until somebody else piled in just before the end.....it went for #25.01. sorry but i just couldn't bring myself to pay that much as i'd have loved to have seen it ; it was only an unpackaged blank video with a handwritten label. clearly ol'EGL has a big fan somewhere. so what are these 4 vids then? i've seen pulling 3g's and a bit of pump , i guess there must be a "could you" clip. i suppose the other must be "only one I" or "pale feet". anyone seen these? p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:02:14 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Where are? " Next time I shall try and engage my brain..I'm tired ok? As far as I know Colin Newman is based in Belgium, Lewis in Sweden, Gotobed and Gilbert in England. " That'll surprise Colin, what with him living in London... :-) Craig ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:11:47 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" >The Fall were far from dull at the RFH, and the new album is a cracker... > What's the name of the new Fall album? I have some amazon.co.uk gift certificates I need to use up. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:54:33 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] he said........aaaarghhh Excerpts from mail: 14-Dec-100 [idealcopy] he said.......... by PaulRabjohn@aol.com > so what are these 4 vids then? i've seen pulling 3g's and a bit of pump, > i guess there must be a "could you" clip. i suppose the other must be > "only one I" or "pale feet". anyone seen these? p There are videos for "Could You", "Pulling 3gs", and "Pump". I don't know what the 4th is. You're probably right - "Pale Feet". (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "I've been known to dabble." -007 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:28:32 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "On Returning to Map Ref G7: Zooming in on the Germ Ship" Paul, It's called "The Unutterable" Mark << What's the name of the new Fall album? I have some amazon.co.uk gift certificates I need to use up. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 02:22:15 +0000 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] You can't pigeonhole Wire! Mp3.com is one of those sites where bands can upload their music and have a little site for their band. You can search for bands you might like by typing in a band that they have listed in their 'influences' box. It then shows you a list of bands who cite Wire as an influence and the other things they like. It says a lot about Wire and how different people percieve them by the range of 'other influences' that bands influenced by Wire also say they like: See how many pigeonholes Wire can be slotted into, based on a quick trawl of the 100 or so bands on Mp3.com who cite wire as an influence: 1. Classic British Punk/New Wave Buzzcocks, Sex Pistols etc. 2. Orrible industrial stuff like Front 242, TG, Laibach and Ministry 3. Iggy, Velvets, Sonic Youth, Pere Ubu and all those other revered US new wave bands 4. frosty electronica like Aphex Twin, Autechre etc. 5. Late 20th Century British Indie bands like stereolab and Teenage Fanclub 6. Borderline prog-rock stuff like Floyd and King Crimson 7. Standard 80s Indie i.e. Smiths, Fall, New Order/Joy Division, Gang of Four, Cope/Teardrops etc. 8. Kraftwerk and Krautrock 9. Also Lots of bands like Television and Captain Beefheart alongside Wire 10. My favourite off all is a band called Lesangdunpoete who claim to be a cross between Wire and The Cars! And then theres a band called 'Blind Side' who are influenced by (and I quote) 'Earth, Wind and Wire' :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 02:28:58 +0000 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] lesangdunpoete Further to my last message can I just say that while lesangdunpoete is a dreadful name for a band and they claim to be a cross between the Cars and Wire, they are actually rather good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:12:33 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] Xmas Break WMO (UK) will be off line from 21st December until 4th January. Anybody wishing to reserve stock or pre-order should contact us asap. Items will be held pending payment. NO Credit Card orders for the UK. This only applies to WMO (US). Wishing you all a good break and we're back in the New Year with some new release(s). 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