From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #357 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, November 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 357 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: The Fans Become The Band! ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] Off Topic question ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] computer lessons ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire MTV2 ["Katherine Pouliot" ] RE: [idealcopy] Wire MTV2 ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: [idealcopy] List Members unite whether musician or not!!! [MarkBursa@] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:36:19 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: The Fans Become The Band! dMc wrote: >personally i am interested in paul and marks proposals for projects >perhaps we should do both? I think it would be nice to do both (best solution to any disagreement - yeah - we'd do it both ways. Not very practical if you're in a regular band, but you've got enough people here who'll go either way). Tim Robinson wrote: > I am quite happy to put up a little website where we can post an agreed > manifesto for the project, a list of contributors and what information > they propose to supply and perhaps a sounding board for us to discuss > the items off list, etc. etc. Then its all 'carved in stone' for all to > see. > What do y'all think? Great - go ahead! > > The 'thing' needs a name as well. Shall we open the floor to ideas? > My suggestions are: > > 12BU (my favourite) > We are the Fly > A Serious of Tapes > Because We Must > Three Hundred Girl Rhumba 300 Girl Rhumba's my favourite, so far. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:43:33 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] Off Topic question Anyone heard of INIGO KENNEDY and/or the label Missile? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:58:38 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] computer lessons >As I have a hi-fi CD writer I just copy the tape to CD-R, >then convert form the CD. Wouldn't you get one long CD track for the whole tape (or two tracks - - one for each side)? Is there software that would let you properly place track begin/end marks if your source is a lengthy tape? Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:07:45 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fans Become The Band! Tim, << The 'thing' needs a name as well. Shall we open the floor to ideas? >> I was thinking of 'Copy' It's derived from the IdealCopy list, Which is itself derived form a Wire album title It's a four-letter word (like Wire) It has multiple meanings (like Wire) - making copies - do you copy - or journo-speak for text. It sums up what we are doing to some extent - we are producing multiple versions from an original source (or sources) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:11:45 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] computer lessons Syarzhuk, You can add track marks when you make the CD-R in the first place. Mark << Wouldn't you get one long CD track for the whole tape (or two tracks - one for each side)? Is there software that would let you properly place track begin/end marks if your source is a lengthy tape >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:22:09 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wire MTV2 Just got this through... " To: Subject: MTV2 Create your hour Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:24:23 -0000 I am pleased to let you know that the hour you created via the MTV2 website (www.mtv2.co.uk) has been selected for forthcoming transmission. It will be shown on Tuesday, December 05, 2000, at 01:00 (UK local time). Thanks very much for sending it in and we hope you enjoy watching it. Cheers MTV2 " Can't actually remember all of what I put in, as I was just testing the site for a forum I attended, but there was at least one Wire track in there, along with some stuff from Ultravivid Scene, Moby, and so on... C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:41:59 -0500 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire MTV2 Ah, if only I had Mtv2 - '-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Wireviews To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Wire MTV2 > Just got this through... > > " > To: > Subject: MTV2 Create your hour > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:24:23 -0000 > > I am pleased to let you know that the hour you created > via the MTV2 website (www.mtv2.co.uk) has been > selected for forthcoming transmission. > It will be shown on Tuesday, December 05, 2000, at > 01:00 (UK local time). > > Thanks very much for sending it in and we hope you > enjoy watching it. > > Cheers MTV2 > " > > Can't actually remember all of what I put in, as I was > just testing the site for a forum I attended, but > there was at least one Wire track in there, along with > some stuff from Ultravivid Scene, Moby, and so on... > > > C > > > > > ===== > ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- > http://welcome.to/wireviews > News, reviews and dugga. > > Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub > Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer > -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:32:27 -0600 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wire MTV2 Craig wrote: Just got this through... I am pleased to let you know that the hour you created via the MTV2 website (www.mtv2.co.uk) has been selected for forthcoming transmission. It will be shown on Tuesday, December 05, 2000, at 01:00 (UK local time). Can't actually remember all of what I put in, as I was just testing the site for a forum I attended, but there was at least one Wire track in there, along with some stuff from Ultravivid Scene, Moby, and so on... =============== Wow, you guys in the U.K. actually have a version of MTV that shows music videos! We used to have something like that over here back in the 80's, but now they just show goofy 'reality-based' shows... Heck, it's so bad, I even miss Beavis & Butthead... at least they showed music videos during the show. Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** Carthago delenda est. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:53:30 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] List Members unite whether musician or not!!! Giluz, << I'd do the assembling for 'your' project, but I don't think I'll be the right person for this. My musical thinking's much more on the same lines as Mark's idea. A project like yours would be too anarchic for me to interpret - I would probably try and force it to be something completely different, which would miss the whole point (but would be still interesting - I'd like to do it that way as long as there's someone else who's going to do it 'properly').<< I feel the same way. That's not in any way to denigrate Tim's concept, or set my thinking above it. But the "exquisite corpse" approach of having musicians jamming without hearing each other only really has a chance of working if at least there are SOME constants - Tim mentions the Plasmatics, so I guess they were jamming with a standard gtr/bass/drums line-up (plus chainsaw and taped nipples, presumably). And as they were a band who played together, they'd have a good chance of producing something vaguely coherent. Here we are dealing with a group of people who haven't met, let alone played together - if they "play" at all in the conventional way. Honestly, I wouldn't know where to start. I could produce any measure of 1min 54 sec long "things" but as for getting some shape out of them.... really depends what we are trying to achieve. To me it sounds, like Giluz says, like a recipe for Anarchy. But then again, I could be wrong..... BTW Wire did use the "sight unseen" technique on the vocal tracks on Crazy About Love. Graham and Colin both wrote independently and added their vocals without hearing what the other had done. They must have had some key words (like " a group of fliers") but the end result works incredibly well. But the instrumental track was a jam. >> But let's stop discussing it so much and start doing things. I've got a few short samples/loops I can upload to one of my freespace.com folders, or via e-mail, whichever way's convenient. I just have to look them up in my CD backups, so it won't take more than a couple of days. Anyone else already have something? I think by this stage we should just start doing things, instead of assembling everyone, deciding who's gonna do what, how many people are in favour of this idea or that idea, how many are gonna actually participate, etc... Once there's a start things would progress from there. Things like that never happen as you plan them - they just progress as they go along. >> I think the concept of having one central folder at somewhere like Freeplay or Myplay is a good idea. This can be accessible to all involved in the project and can be the receptacle for tracks/samples etc. MP3 is probably the best format (though I'd defer to someone with more up-to-date knowledge - I'm a Tascam 244 man meself!) Also I'm keen for the maximum flexibility. So if you add to a piece, upload the modified piece AND an isolated version of whatever you added. Say I added a guitar line to a drum track. I'd upload the drum-guitar version AND the guitar track - so if someone else is inspired by the guitar track, they could add new rhythm etc - so you get the start of a new track. Someone else might then keep the new rhythm track, add keyboards and bass and lose the guitar etc - so now there's nothing left from the original. Later someone might reintroduce the original guitar part, but slowed down etc etc etc... But each time you add not only to the library of "works in progress" - you also add more raw material to be manipulated, looped, mulched, reversed or whatever. Personally I'm becoming fascinated by the concept - and not just a way of getting me back into producing music again after a long time. the only problem is getting to grips with the technology - so I'll be paying a visit to Denmark Street on a fact-finding mission this week! Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #357 *******************************