From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #340 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, November 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 340 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Where to get the solos [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] hox/ocsid [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] Drill [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] LAIV - No Wire - FAO Katherine ["Laurel G" ] [idealcopy] Solo Stuff [Tim Robinson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:55:25 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Where to get the solos >> where can one locate copies of "omala," "hox," "ocsid," "duet emmo," etc.? i can't find them anywhere...and need them badly! andy >> Duet Emmo can be got via Mute Records mail order @ http://www.mute.com -- like their entire catalogue, it's very much in print. If you want Hox and Ocsid you will have to be quick. According to WMO UK they are down to five (5) copies of each, or thereabouts. Once they are gone, they are gone for good and Hox in particular is well worth getting. Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:13:46 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] hox/ocsid Anyone now desperate to get these two releases should act NOW! WMO (UK) is very nearly out of Hox. A handful of copies. WMO (US) is out of Hox. WMO (UK) and WMO (US) are nearly out of Ocsid. The only other outlets we know of that have copies of both are atrecordings.com. These Records, Touch, Soleilmoon and others may have copies. (Thats a big may) For the record both He Said Omala CD's were pressed in Sweden and USA so there are still substantial copies around. Hox and Ocsid was only pressed in Sweden in a run of 500 each. 300 of each came via WMO (UK) the rest Origin used for their own purposes. All Origin ttiles were financed with a grant from the Swedish Ministry of Culture. Hence the limited runs of the titles. ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 04:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Drill "Drill is one hell of a good listen. Yes, sometimes it does seem to be a bit repetitive - but that's the appeal. " I don't criticise it due to repetitiveness, otherwise I'd be slagging off the likes of Dome and Immersion, both of which I rate. The reason I don't rate Drill that highly is because some of the Drills are plainly not that good, Berlin being the prime example. Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:46:09 CST From: "Laurel G" Subject: [idealcopy] LAIV - No Wire - FAO Katherine > >I won't "show my face" for the rest of the day, because I'm obviously >getting things wrong....sorry! >'-} kath You have what is commonly referred to on another list as LAIV - Laurel's An Idiot Virus - sounds like you caught quite a case of it - it's usually brought on by being super busy, but still trying to do it all and wanting to keep up, that you breeze through things too quickly and make mistakes - in my case, it's brought on by me being an idiot, comes naturally, but I am a carrier and being in my vacinity for too long usually results in at least one or two cases - having a good laugh at yourself usually relieves the symptoms Laurel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:59:00 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #339 >Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:27:23 EST >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >Subject: [idealcopy] solo (cont) >michael f ; you like almost the exact opposite of what i'd choose! glad to >see in esse has its fan club...... must say ocsid doesn't do it for me at all >and i much prefer hox/hso. This is a perfect example of why I find the discussions of the solo material particularly interesting. Here we are, two major Wire fans, but when the pieces are taken apart, we find that we love them for, at least primarily, fairly different reasons. > >i see a couple of copies of "it seems" on ebay. funny , the one i never see >is a "commercial suicide" cd. can't be that rare? Seems that way. The lp is on there all the time, but cds rarely, and usually go pretty high. >From: "ian barrett" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Gilbert & Lewis, "3R4" > >Andy >I think 3R4 forms part of the 8-Time CD and is not related to Domes 3+4. You think correctly. >P'o [...] >Opinions are not recommendations, but if you can get hold of it, I'd say go >ahead. Or remain curious, as I did for a number of years. Last time I looked this was easily available from wiremailorder.com. I think every Wire fan needs a copy. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:05:05 EST From: WAndyComer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] "3R4"..."8-Time" apologies for the persistent catalogue questions, but...what is this "8-Time" CD? under what lewis-gilbert incarnation/moniker/label was it issued? thank you, andy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:48:25 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "3R4"..."8-Time" In a message dated Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:19:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, WAndyComer@aol.com writes: << apologies for the persistent catalogue questions, but...what is this "8-Time" CD? under what lewis-gilbert incarnation/moniker/label was it issued? thank you, andy >> ///// released on 4ad as "gilbert & lewis". i'm sure you could get it from the label. must admit it never tickled my fancy too strongly , i much prefer the dome albums. although "ends with the sea" is great. finally got a copy of the MZUI 12" ; another far out project of the same era. but you'll struggle to get hold of that one...... p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:13:36 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [none] Inf. courtesy of Motion: The following track will be featured on Mixing It - BBC Radio 3 - 10:45pm (I think) Saturday 11th November. the programme also features music and an interview with Scanner. God Speed you black emperor Album: lift yr.skinny fists like antennas to heaven Kranky: krank043 For a fully comprehensive look at this work visit: W: http://www.southern.com/southern/band/GDSPD Richard Buckner :Emily Sparks Album: The Hill Overcoat Recordings: OC08/CV01 The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:31:06 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Drill > "Drill is one hell of a good listen. Yes, sometimes > it > > does > seem to be a bit repetitive - but that's the appeal. > " I agree, I think it is an interesting view into what seems like a band's collective obsession! > I don't criticise it due to repetitiveness, > otherwise > I'd be slagging off the likes of Dome and Immersion, > both of which I rate. The reason I don't rate Drill > that highly is because some of the Drills are > plainly > not that good, Berlin being the prime example. Although I think that wound up, high speed 'Chicago Drill' is a really fun one to listen to! Arriving/Staying/Going (track 3, I think) is the only one on The Drill that I skip. I don't think I've listened all the way through that since the 1st time I played that album. Later, Rick H __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:08:20 +0000 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] Solo Stuff I'd been a strictly a 'First Three LPs' Wire fan until the Royal Festival Hall show but since then I've become a hopeless fan and been gathering as much of their material as I can find/afford. In terms of Solo stuff I haven't found much of it yet (Someone beat me to those Gilbert CDs Graeme!) but so far I've really enjoyed the Dome 1-4 CDs. My favourite Dome track is 'To Speak' which would not sound at all out of place on a Godspeed You Black Emporer LP (Strings, repetition, tension....followed by voluminous clouds of dread.....yeeeahh!!). 'To Walk to Run' is a nice bit of 80s pipe banging lunacy as well! I think those along with 'Cruel when complete' and the sublime 'Rolling upon my day' (from Dome1) are my favourite Dome items....but the whole lot is a fine body of work which has that timeless quality that means I'll no doubt return to these records and find new things I like in them. They meant it Maaaaan!!!! And I haven't found Wir yet!! The only Gilbert I've heard so far is Ab Ovo. OK you wouldn't play this at a dinner party or a first date (well Mr G.Rowland probaly would :)) but Bruce Gilbert is the same age as my Dad and this is really heavy electronica that would probably be a bit too gritty and abrasive for Warp Records to release! What a cool bastard! I hope I am as uncompromisingly noisy as he is when I'm in my 50s! A role model for us all. And it got a track on it called 'The Singing Pier' which does sound exactly as the title suggests.....which is quite something really isn't it! The only Lewis I've heard is He Said Omala which is a bit slick and monotonous...but I love Post Code Orange and the accompanying video on the bootleg CD. That said Mr Lewis is one of the most interesting blokes I have ever met.....a real character....so I look forward to hearing more of his stuff. As for Mr Newman I think the Immersion CD is superb. I think with Wire-related stuff I tend to be more forgiving because of their background and because I've actually met and spoken to these strange people...but I know if someone played me this without me knowing who it was I would get it! Apart from that I've only got the twofer with Not To and Singing Fish on it which I think is quite splendid anyway. This is probably a good place to start if you haven't heard any Solo wire stuff before......indeed several of the compostions are Newman/Lewis credits and Robert guests on Drums throughout......this is a neat follow up to Document & Eyewitness really isn't it? What is clear is how Wire Solo stuff does fit quite neatly with their group work. The best of the solo stuff has the Wire 'substance' alright. Thats why I enjoyed the RFH show because it showed how these days the idea of Wire is so much more than just four blokes churning out the 'hits'.....its four blokes who still know how to do lots of arty, noisy and unsettling things on their own as well as coming together and churning out the hits as a pay off! Perfect! Compare with the equally revered New Order. Same era, same legendary history and same level of effortless cool, same artiness and design aesthetic (in the pre-E-for England Days anyway!) However, unlike Wire if you take individual parts of New Order you are not left with much at all. Witness the dreadful Revenge/Monaco, The Other Two and Electronic (and as for the Smiths......lets not go there. I hope Johnny Marr and Morrisey hate SchneiderTMs version of Thers is a Light that Never Goes out...serves 'em right!) Anchors at a different time in a different place. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #340 *******************************