From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #339 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, November 10 2000 Volume 03 : Number 339 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Calling Graeme Larmour [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] DRILL ["Wilson, Paul" ] RE: [idealcopy] DRILL & Singing Fish - On Topic ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] Voice Error [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] [idealcopy] 12XU [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: [idealcopy] -- on topic? - reply to more complaints... ["Katherine Po] [idealcopy] [Off topic] Complaints, monkeys, SK1s and what I think of people who don't own a copy of Pink Flag. [Jo] [idealcopy] solo (cont) [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: [Off topic] Complaints, monkeys, SK1s and what I think of people who don't own a copy of Pink Flag. [] [idealcopy] Gilbert & Lewis, "3R4" [WAndyComer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Gilbert & Lewis, "3R4" ["ian barrett" ] [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Bowie at the BEEB track duplication [Paul Pietrom] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #338 [Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Calling Graeme Larmour If Graeme Larmour is on this list, can you please get in touch with your email address asap? Thanks, Craig. wireviews@yahoo.com ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:11:38 -0000 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] DRILL Am I the only one who thinks Drill is a brilliant album then? - Giluz. Probably. I think it has its moments, especially Jumping Mint and In Every City, but it really loses its way abuot half way through. Berlin Drill is awful and the like take is far weaker than the great one on the Kidney Bingos single/ABIAC CD. - Craig. Probably not! Drill is one hell of a good listen. Yes, sometimes it does seem to be a bit repetitive - but that's the appeal. Many a time I play it through 2 or 3 times without a break. It did take me some time to get into it though, so maybe that's why it isn't liked so much - people just haven't stuck with it for long enough. But I prefer albums like that. The ones that are less immediately appealing tend to be the ones that you enjoy listening to for years, instead of months. Rezmole. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:37:35 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] DRILL & Singing Fish - On Topic > Am I the only one who thinks Drill is a brilliant album > then? - Giluz. > > Probably. I think it has its moments, especially Jumping > Mint and In Every City, but it really loses its way abuot half > way through. > Berlin Drill is awful and the like take is far weaker than the > great one on > the Kidney Bingos single/ABIAC CD. - Craig. > > Probably not! Drill is one hell of a good listen. Yes, sometimes it does > seem to be a bit repetitive - but that's the appeal. Many a time I play it > through 2 or 3 times without a break. It did take me some time to get into > it though, so maybe that's why it isn't liked so much - people > just haven't > stuck with it for long enough. But I prefer albums like that. The > ones that > are less immediately appealing tend to be the ones that you enjoy > listening > to for years, instead of months. - Paul Wilson ======================== Drill, for me, is one of the first remix albums. The idea for it was so brilliant and so ahead of its times that I'm willing to forget/forgive the bad bits. The same goes for the Singing Fish, which is basically an electronic album done with an analogue equipment, years before anyone's ever done it. Even CDnow realised it - they categorised it as "Dance", which I think is a bit misleading, but more to the point than anything else I could think of. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:25:25 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] Off Topic - Trans Am in Berlin There's an interview and some clips from Trans Am's gig in Berlin in the last month at: http://www.webfreetv.com/de/at/at_national/channel03/was_laeuft1/trans_am/ giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:54:10 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Voice Error >>>>Colin's followup to Bastard was a 12" vinyl (now available on CDR via ~swim) called Voice Voice preceded Bastard & a Cd of Voice was included with initial Bastards. The confusion here is perhaps due to Bastard having an earlier cat. no. Lock up your hats! The Fly in the Ointment ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:08:02 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Gilbertpossstenger How could I forget this one? Over and over on my stereo it played & I was at the gig! Amazing stuff indeed. 'The Haring' is great too! If one considers things a little pedantically then Bruce is the only one who odes totally solo recordings- Ab Ovo This Way The Haring In Esse (better than a dose of the ol' bubonic for sure) Insiding Are really the only totally solo recordings! Bur that's not what you meant I no! Lock up yer hats! The Fly in the Ointment ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 07:16:34 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] solo (delay) - --- dMc wrote: > nice to see everyone disagreeing in a civil matter > for once > > and in (a hopefully uncontentious) reply to the > comment about technology > discussions (SK-1) > the reason this choice of gear by wire and (more > than a couple listers) is > of interest is not so much the technical , but > rather the philisophical > implications of a little piece of gear with a cheap > price, a grainy sound, > and (in common with early analogue gear) the utter > inability to get it to do > the same thing twice. > the implications of using such a tool in a live > situation speaks volumes > about the performers' attitudes towards the creative > process - an attitude > which i chose to embrace I couldn't give a monkey's as to the extent of debate on the old SK1. What did get my back up was the way in which other listers were dismissed in the original posting. Dismissed by someone who I have never heard of posting on here before. I just thought it was rude. Call me old fashioned. And I notice someone else slagging so-called off topic postings earlier. Someone who seems to use the list as a way of flogging second hand records/CDs. And then I get mail sent directly to me complaining that I sent an off topic mailing re: that bloody Britney Spears thing. If this continues I'm going to log off the list. Really, I have never met such arrogant people in my life. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 16:48:44 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] 12XU - --0__=uFyMh3FamLQT8Xdgebpd0gyiYUZpbTdJv8WavFozUbDuqwhwzA1zewio Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Has anyone bought the ltd edition 7"? I'm not going to but Sister Ray has it for - --0__=uFyMh3FamLQT8Xdgebpd0gyiYUZpbTdJv8WavFozUbDuqwhwzA1zewio Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =A33.99. Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privil= eged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it= or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. = - --0__=uFyMh3FamLQT8Xdgebpd0gyiYUZpbTdJv8WavFozUbDuqwhwzA1zewio-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:01:03 -0500 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] -- on topic? - reply to more complaints... John, the fact that you're still on this list is extremely confusing. First you complained voraciously about your dislike of off-topic posts, then you complain about not giving a "monkey's" about an actual relevant on-topic post, which you quote. Then, you seem to be angry that people are looking to circulate their used CDs and vinyl relating to Wire, to other people who would most certainly be interested. The way you are choosing to communicate with the rest of us leads me (I don't know if I speak for anyone else here, but I would assert that a few agree with me here) to believe that you do not like this list, and/or you have absolutely NO sense of humor. So, why do you continue to harass us? If I have you pegged wrong, and you do find this list useful for you, then please, please, please, RELAX a little bit. I am sure there are far more important things for you to be so upset about, other than this list. Give yourself and us a rest, really! Constant complaining is too draining. with all sincerity, katherine > I couldn't give a monkey's as to the extent of debate > on the old SK1. What did get my back up was the way > in which other listers were dismissed in the original > posting. Dismissed by someone who I have never heard > of posting on here before. I just thought it was > rude. Call me old fashioned. And I notice someone > else slagging so-called off topic postings earlier. > Someone who seems to use the list as a way of flogging > second hand records/CDs. And then I get mail sent > directly to me complaining that I sent an off topic > mailing re: that bloody Britney Spears thing. If this > continues I'm going to log off the list. Really, I > have never met such arrogant people in my life. > > John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:42:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] [Off topic] Complaints, monkeys, SK1s and what I think of people who don't own a copy of Pink Flag. OK. Here we go... - --- Katherine Pouliot wrote: First > you complained voraciously about your dislike of > off-topic posts, Sorry Katherine but I think you're getting me confused with someone else. then you > complain about not giving a "monkey's" about an > actual relevant on-topic > post, which you quote. Then, you seem to be angry > that people are looking > to circulate their used CDs and vinyl relating to > Wire, to other people who > would most certainly be interested. I have a feeling that 'monkey's' doesn't translate well. As in 'monkey's toss' which indicates that I care neither one way or the other. Honestly - what I was saying was what I've said all along. i.e. that I don't mind people saying what they like on here (within some vague parameters i.e. Wire related or of interest to people who like Wire). I really didn't and don't mind the SK1 thread or the fact that people sell their records on here. What I do object to is people who do this harping on about how irrelevant stuff on the list is to *them* (i.e. not thinking that the item might actually be rather useful for others on the list - if only to alleviate boredom in some instances) and then posting messages which are pretty obviously of interest to a select few on the list (i.e. the same practice that they are having a go at other people about. If someone is selling Pink Flag on this list then I could say that if you haven't got Pink Flag by now then you (a) shouldn't be allowed to show your face on this list and (b) should be shot - but I won't 8-) ). In a nut shell what I object to is double standards. And all I am trying to do is highlight this fact. Honestly!! 8-) I apologise if the guy who is selling his records on here is offended and I've made a mistake but from my memory I don't recall this person using the list other than to sell records. (I guess my thinking here is determined by other lists I am on where *no* advertising is allowed.) The reason why I *do* get pissed off is, as I mentioned earlier, the *manner* in which some people approach this list. I realise that email is the best medium thru which one can get misinterpretted but some of the posts on here have struck *me* as bombastic and arrogant to say the least. And I think from what you've said in the past you'd agree with me on that. > > The way you are choosing to communicate with the > rest of us leads me (I > don't know if I speak for anyone else here, but I > would assert that a few > agree with me here) to believe that you do not like > this list, and/or you > have absolutely NO sense of humor. So, why do you > continue to harass us? Look, if anyone on the list feels that I have been harassing them then I can only apologise. As for having no sense of humour - all I can say in my defence here is that it was me that highlighted the B Spears/Pink Flag website. 8-) > If I have you pegged wrong, and you do find this > list useful for you, then > please, please, please, RELAX a little bit. Point taken. I am > sure there are far more > important things for you to be so upset about, other > than this list. Too right. Give yourself and us a rest, really! Constant > complaining is too draining. Tell me about it. My fingers ache now. John (Smiling, relaxed and going home.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:27:23 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] solo (cont) one good thing about wire solo stuff is that most of it is on labels who seem to delete nothing (mute , 4ad , beggars) , so the vast majority is pretty easily obtainable. whoever was after duet emmo , try www.mutelibtech.com. i got shivering man vinyl and so it seems 12" no problem and almost everything appeared to be available (not the ovomix 12" though , but these records have that). if you fail i have a spare vinyl duet emmo lp i'd swop. michael f ; you like almost the exact opposite of what i'd choose! glad to see in esse has its fan club...... must say ocsid doesn't do it for me at all and i much prefer hox/hso. i see a couple of copies of "it seems" on ebay. funny , the one i never see is a "commercial suicide" cd. can't be that rare? were those origin cd's really pressed up in batches of 300? that just sounds so low. oh yes , i see in Q somebody has done a "virtual aquarium" at www.mypetfish.com. is this what swim have been up to since the rfh......... p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:30:12 -0500 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: [Off topic] Complaints, monkeys, SK1s and what I think of people who don't own a copy of Pink Flag. Sorry = My bad on a few points...I guess I did have you confused with angry complaining man...I thought your post was complaining about the Britney Spears link - hahaha... I see I've read it wrong. My bad. Saying that you couldn't care less about something (or not giving a monkey's ass or whatever) usually indicates that you don't want to hear about it, so I interpreted your post about that as that you were pissed off about it. Again, my bad! Get ready to shoot me, if you aren't already, because I don't (yet) own Pink Flag, 154 or Chairs Missing... I blame the universe for having me be so damn young and making me live in Texas through my formative (what could have been 100% punk) teen years. Who the Hell in Texas has heard of Wire??-- (not counting Dallas or Houston, and the more modern and progressive cities, which I lived nowhere near.) I won't "show my face" for the rest of the day, because I'm obviously getting things wrong....sorry! '-} kath ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:05:11 EST From: WAndyComer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Gilbert & Lewis, "3R4" is "3R4" available on cd? does it have anything to do with dome #s 3 and 4, or is it a totally separate project? also, would p'o's "whilst climbing" cd come recommended? persistently endeavoring to make sense of this immense back catalogue, andy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:52:13 -0000 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Gilbert & Lewis, "3R4" Andy I think 3R4 forms part of the 8-Time CD and is not related to Domes 3+4. P'o was a let-down for me, but once again possibly due to too-high expectations (I've always enjoyed Angela Conway's voice and Lewis's vocals and lyrics; present here but not to great effect). It has its moments; including 'Back To Back' and most notably 'Blind Tim' - far and away the standout track. Opinions are not recommendations, but if you can get hold of it, I'd say go ahead. Or remain curious, as I did for a number of years. Ian (PS Paul R - thanks for the tip-off re It Seems on ebay; I'm having to pass for the moment...) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Gilbert & Lewis, "3R4" > > is "3R4" available on cd? does it have anything to do with dome #s 3 and 4, > or is it a totally separate project? > > also, would p'o's "whilst climbing" cd come recommended? > > persistently endeavoring to make sense of this immense back catalogue, > andy > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:47:47 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] It Seems trivia Hi everyone, By the way - I was looking thru my CD collection this morning, and noticed I have two It Seems. Yet - I'm selling neither. Why is this? (^_^) Because one is missing a track. I don't think the European editions are the same, but the U.S. Restless/Crammed editions include the track Si Tu Attends. Initially, though, there were a batch of CDs missing the track. You can't tell the difference from looking at the sleeves. You can't tell the difference from reading the matrix numbers in the center of the CD. The only way to tell the difference, besides sticking the CD into a CD player and counting tracks, is to look for small dots in the CD numeric matrix. If there are two dots, it's missing the track. If there are three dots, then the track is there. Cheers, Paul *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:50:29 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Bowie at the BEEB track duplication Hi everyone, Say - has anyone with the new Bowie At The BEEB downloaded the missing track yet? If you don't know what I'm talking about, the new Bowie at the BEEB collection, due to a mastering error, has two identical versions of Ziggy Stardust. It was supposed to have two different versions. It's on the U.S. as well as the U.K. editions - I have the U.S., and I have the duplicate track. If you've downloaded the track, can you send me e-mail and tell me how to do it? It's not obvious from the webpages I've scanned. Cheers, Paul *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 16:25:08 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #338 >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= >Subject: [idealcopy] 'Solo' stuff >Bruce >Again, I liked >'The Shivering Man'< [...] >for a while. Its worth getting a vinyl copy as the CD >omits the superb spoken word piece 'There Are' (no >deliverence printed on the finest bank note paper for >aluminists). I'll never forgive Mute for that. ;) Seriously though, it's a great track. >>'Music for Fruit' is very finely sculpted beat meets >electroacoustic composition with a beautiful pop song >tagged on the end. Excellent evocative stuff indeed! >>'Insiding' is very beat driven extended work for >dance and is recommended if the others tickle your >fancy. In my last post I may have sounded like I didn't care for these, so I'll take this opportunity to agree w/ you. Not as good as Shiv. Man, but both extremely creative (esp. Fruit, which I think is very under rated). >>'Orr' is a collaboration with Robert Hampson (Main) & >Paul Kendall (Piquet) using processed guitar sounds >and is well worth hearing if 'Ab Ovo' leaves you >wanting more. While one of the lesser played Bruce releases for me, I always really enjoy having it on. Maybe I should play it more. >>'Frequency varation' is just that - 2 blokes fiddling >with oscillators. After about 7-8 listens some kind of >logic emerged but I'd say its more of historical >interest, being Gilberts first recordings from 74 - >one for the bees! I tend to use this as background, but I find it very interesting background. Like the best of Eno, it tends to highten my concentration. >Edvard Graham Lewis >Since moving to Sweden Lewis has delivered the goods - [...] They were only pressed in editions of 300 each and are >nearly gone so you'd better rush to get them! Already commented on the high quality of this work; does anyone know WHY they only made 300? These things are worth keeping in print. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #339 *******************************