From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #333 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, November 4 2000 Volume 03 : Number 333 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] edinburgh [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] [WIRE CONTENT] SK-1 [John Roberts ] [idealcopy] On Topic - Finest Drops: ABIAC vs. IBTABA versions ["Ciscon, ] Re: [idealcopy] On Topic - Finest Drops: ABIAC vs. IBTABA versions ["Kath] Re: [idealcopy] Off topic - embarrasing records/gigs ["Laurel G" ] [idealcopy] of Hawkwind and My Bloody Valentine [Tim Robinson > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 05:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [WIRE CONTENT] SK-1 > Sorry it took so long to reply - there's so much > non-Wire crap on this list that I usually save up > several months' worth of posts before undertaking > the arduous task of sifting through the all the > drivel about The Cars , ELO, Styx, & whatever crap > groups certain people feel compelled to wax > nostalgic about. I'm for starting another email > list called > NOSTALGIC-OLD-FARTS-WHO-HAPPEN-TO-LISTEN-TO-WIRE-IN-ADDITION-TO-A-LOT-OF-CRAP-BANDS-L. Ever considered the thought that there are people on here who like music and see your lengthy email about SK1s to be anally retentive??? Perhaps we ought to start a new list named ANAL-RETENTIVES-WHO-ARE-OBSESSED-WITH-TECHNOLOGY-WHO-LIKE-TO-BORE-THE-PANTS-OFF-PEOPLE-WITH-THEIR-ILL-CONCEIVED-VEIW-OF-THEMSELVES-AND-THEIR-KNOWLEDGE-OF-WHAT-BUTTON-CLICKS-ARE-AS-IMPORTANT? Of course we shouldn't. The list is for Wire fans to discuss Wire and Wire-related (no matter how tenuous) stuff. Now, how about an apology? John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: alan gray Subject: [idealcopy] OT Re WIRE RELATED >>there's so much non-Wire crap on this list that I usually save up several months' worth of posts before undertaking the arduous task of sifting through the all the drivel about The Cars , ELO, Styx, & whatever crap groups certain people feel compelled to wax nostalgic about. I'm for starting another email list called NOSTALGIC-OLD-FARTS-WHO-HAPPEN-TO-LISTEN-TO-WIRE-IN-ADDITION-TO->>A-LOT-OF-CRAP-BANDS-L. Have you made this point before or was that another music from a different McEachin? Alan - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:12:54 -0600 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: [idealcopy] On Topic - Finest Drops: ABIAC vs. IBTABA versions And now for something completely Wire related: I was buzzing along, getting some work done, when the 'It's Beginning To And Back Again' (IBTABA) version of 'Finest Drops' started playing on Real Jukebox. I hadn't listened to IBTABA in a while, and this was a pleasant surprise to hear. It also got me thinking that I like this version of the song so much better than the version on 'A Bell is a Cup'. Why? Well I started to think about that for a minute... and I think that for me personally, it is based on two simple things. Roberts' drumming in the IBTABA version of 'Finest Drops' may be IMO his best drumming on any Wire recording. Having seen Wire live in Chicago, I witnessed the intensity that Robert brings to his drumming and I think it really shows on this recording. The other reason is the simple piano line played toward the end of the chorus and throughout the end of the song. I'm a firm believer in the incredible power of the piano as a musical instrument, and those strong, clear, and clean notes driving out of my speakers really counter-pointed the other down and dirty, perhaps skuzzy (I use that word in the BEST sense) aspects of the song, i.e. guitar and bass. I enjoy the piano lines so much that when I'm listening to the original version from ABIAC, I usually end up singing the piano parts in myself. One of the really great parts about IBTABA were the twists and changes made to already good compositions. For the most part, I liked what they did! Anyone else have any thoughts like these? Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** Carthago delenda est. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:39:37 -0500 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On Topic - Finest Drops: ABIAC vs. IBTABA versions I agree with you completely, Ray. Being one of those "newcomers" to Wire, having started to listen to them in the late 80's and was introduced to them by way of The Ideal Copy and then bought and favored ABIAC and IBTABA. I really played those all the time back in college. I found that after seeing Wire this year, I was listening to those 2 again, a lot! Their live show revisited a lot of songs from ABIAC and it was great to hear them differently. I do like a lot of the "older" stuff I'm hearing about off the first 3 albums, but it doesn't have the same ring as the first 3 that I ever heard by them. They all grow on me (so and slow?...) I find that music that has a clear and true pyramid of sound (I refer to that from being in band in school) is the most powerful for me to hear...By that I mean, well, picture a pyramid. The foundation being the bass and percussion, then going up to the top you have the middle instruments filling out, like guitars and keyboards, and then at the top, the lighter notes, like the piano notes you talked about, sit lightly, as if they were dotting an "i". I like all those instruments playing on at once, all in the same time, different but working together, and blending, but all audible on their own. Great that you can hum along to either of the parts. If we were all sitting in a room listening to The Finest Drops (the IBTABA version), you may be humming the piano parts, and I may be singing along (in my deepest lowest voice), and someone else may be tapping to the drums, etc... It would be a mock Wire formation!!! kath - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ciscon, Ray To: IdealCopy Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:12 AM Subject: [idealcopy] On Topic - Finest Drops: ABIAC vs. IBTABA versions > And now for something completely Wire related: > > I was buzzing along, getting some work done, when the 'It's Beginning To And > Back Again' (IBTABA) version of 'Finest Drops' started playing on Real > Jukebox. > > I hadn't listened to IBTABA in a while, and this was a pleasant surprise to > hear. It also got me thinking that I like this version of the song so much > better than the version on 'A Bell is a Cup'. > > Why? Well I started to think about that for a minute... and I think that for > me personally, it is based on two simple things. > > Roberts' drumming in the IBTABA version of 'Finest Drops' may be IMO his > best drumming on any Wire recording. Having seen Wire live in Chicago, I > witnessed the intensity that Robert brings to his drumming and I think it > really shows on this recording. > > The other reason is the simple piano line played toward the end of the > chorus and throughout the end of the song. I'm a firm believer in the > incredible power of the piano as a musical instrument, and those strong, > clear, and clean notes driving out of my speakers really counter-pointed the > other down and dirty, perhaps skuzzy (I use that word in the BEST sense) > aspects of the song, i.e. guitar and bass. I enjoy the piano lines so much > that when I'm listening to the original version from ABIAC, I usually end up > singing the piano parts in myself. > > One of the really great parts about IBTABA were the twists and changes made > to already good compositions. For the most part, I liked what they did! > > Anyone else have any thoughts like these? > > Cheers, > > Ray Ciscon > Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager > Comark, Inc. > > In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: > The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 > ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. > ** > > Carthago delenda est. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:59:05 CST From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Off topic - embarrasing records/gigs >5. Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms 7" (cos it was ex >juke box (it won't do will it? There is no excuse for >this one. Does it help that I threw it away a couple >of months later? I thought not - I'll get me coat.)) > >John Oh don't bother to get yer coat, at least not until you tell me if my bum looks big in this - after all, you didn't buy the soundtrack to The Godfather I haven't got a clue what that was about - I was young, that's the best I can do Laurel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:29:24 -0800 From: "J.D.McEachin" Subject: offtopic - Is It Ok To Post About Wire? (was Re: [idealcopy] SK-1) At 05:32 AM 11/3/00 -0800, John Roberts wrote: >Ever considered the thought that there are people on >here who like music and see your lengthy email about >SK1s to be anally retentive??? Yes, I know some of you are much more interested in namechecking what music you were masturbating to in high school than what Wire was/is doing on stage. The question is, which has more to do w/ the purported topic of this emaillist? >The list is for Wire fans to >discuss Wire and Wire-related (no matter how tenuous) >stuff. Now, how about an apology? For what, having an opinion? It's the tenuousness of much of the discussion that has me up in arms. You might as well be posting quantum physics research because Wire mentioned quarks in a song. Like I said, I don't expect to change the content of the list, though I DO hope that the people actually interested in Wire will mark their posts appropriately, to make them easier to find. That way, you can blather on about Mott The Hoople if you want, an those of us who don't care about such things can quickly skip it over for a post with [WIRE CONTENT]. For my next trick, I'll bore you with a long discourse on what drum machine Keith LeBlanc used on He Said's "ABC Dick's Love". :) JDM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:34:25 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On Topic - Finest Drops: ABIAC vs. IBTABA versions >One of the really great parts about IBTABA were the twists and changes made >to already good compositions. For the most part, I liked what they did!> >Anyone else have any thoughts like these? > Oh yeah! IBTABA is actually one of my favorite Wire albums. (Bear in mind, though, that I'm one of those listmembers who prefers 80's Wire to 70's Wire. (^_^)) I really like the version of German Shepards, too. That bass riff/sound is one of the best things I've ever heard. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:30:12 -0500 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On Topic - Finest Drops: ABIAC vs. IBTABA versions German Shepherds was my favorite song off IBTABA...when I used to DJ in college, I played it as part of my first on-air slot... :-) kath - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco To: IdealCopy Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On Topic - Finest Drops: ABIAC vs. IBTABA versions > > >One of the really great parts about IBTABA were the twists and changes > made > >to already good compositions. For the most part, I liked what they > did!> > >Anyone else have any thoughts like these? > > > > Oh yeah! > > IBTABA is actually one of my favorite Wire albums. (Bear in mind, > though, that I'm one of those listmembers who prefers 80's Wire to 70's > Wire. (^_^)) > > I really like the version of German Shepards, too. That bass > riff/sound is one of the best things I've ever heard. > > Cheers, > Paul > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On Topic - Finest Drops: ABIAC vs. IBTABA versions Greetings- I was beginning to consider dropping off this list when the latest 'on topic' notes started showing up. *phew* > > Anyone else have any thoughts like these? Yes!! My own background with Wire was buying 'Chairs Missing' in the early 80's and loving it! Then I bought 'Docs and Eye...' and didn't. Then Wire sort of disappeared, at least on the left coast of the US! I picked up Manscape and then IBTABA about 7-8 years ago flipped!!! Those two continue to be my favorites. Earlier this year I saw they were touring but couldn't make their SF show :( I had never heard of them touring before and missing them really sucked! Then I found pinkflag.com and this list and have been rediscovering them! I have yet to hear any of Dome or solo projects, so can anyone suggest a good way to start on that side of their material? Regarding different song versions, I have not heard ABIAC yet, but have to say that I definitely prefer the IBTABA version of 'Over Theirs' to the 'Ideal Copy' version. Thanks and I hope to hear more about Wire here!!! Rick Hindman ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Learn to handle hot things, keep your knives sharp, and above all, have a good time. - -Julia Child - ----------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:37:06 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [WIRE CONTENT] SK-1 Okay, here's the deal: this list is about Wire, or Wir, or projects by any of the members of Wire. But...only if the information is important. So label your posts accordingly: [WIRE] Reserved to note deaths, births, marriages involving Wire personnel [WIRE BUT ONLY ABOUT MUSIC] To talk about Wire music, but not enough detail so as to seem geeky or tech-headed. No specific notes or chords may be mentioned, no particular rhythms detailed, and certainly no gear is to be mentioned either. [WIRE GEEK] Please submit posts under this heading in the form of charts, graphs, diagrams, equations, etc. For example, one might graph the increasing albedo of Robert Gotobed/Grey's head over the years. [MUSIC BUT NOT WIRE] Null category, some of you think. [LEFT-WING POLITICS TO IRRITATE RAY CISCON] This category is self-explanatory. [J.D. McEACHIN, WIRE FAN] To discuss McEachin's fingernail clippings, toenail deposits, navel lint, etc. - so long as no gear is mentioned. Am I getting this right? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat ::everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum ::temporo-spatial anomaly. __Crow T. Maslow__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 19:18:04 -0500 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [WIRE CONTENT] SK-1 I have an SK-1. *raspberries* Carl. > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > Reply-To: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:37:06 -0600 (CST) > To: A Rich and Comfortable Life with Paper > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [WIRE CONTENT] SK-1 > > Okay, here's the deal: this list is about Wire, or Wir, or projects by any > of the members of Wire. > > But...only if the information is important. > > So label your posts accordingly: > > [WIRE] Reserved to note deaths, births, marriages involving Wire > personnel > > [WIRE BUT ONLY ABOUT MUSIC] To talk about Wire music, but not enough > detail so as to seem geeky or tech-headed. No specific notes or chords may > be mentioned, no particular rhythms detailed, and certainly no gear is to > be mentioned either. > > [WIRE GEEK] Please submit posts under this heading in the form of charts, > graphs, diagrams, equations, etc. For example, one might graph the > increasing albedo of Robert Gotobed/Grey's head over the years. > > [MUSIC BUT NOT WIRE] Null category, some of you think. > > [LEFT-WING POLITICS TO IRRITATE RAY CISCON] This category is > self-explanatory. > > [J.D. McEACHIN, WIRE FAN] To discuss McEachin's fingernail clippings, > toenail deposits, navel lint, etc. - so long as no gear is mentioned. > > Am I getting this right? > > --Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html > ::When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat > ::everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum > ::temporo-spatial anomaly. > __Crow T. Maslow__ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 02:51:56 +0000 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] of Hawkwind and My Bloody Valentine Fans of Hawkind and My Bloody Valentine (of which there are several on this list) may well enjoy the new J Mascis CD (More Light) on which the last track sounds like the latter playing Silver Machine in a wind-tunnel during an electrical storm...and indeed 'twas produced and performed upon by the laziest artist of his generation mr Kevin Sheilds! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #333 *******************************