From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #325 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, October 27 2000 Volume 03 : Number 325 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Colin Interview ["stephen graziano" ] RE: [idealcopy] Turing Machine ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] Turing Machine ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] RE: [idealcopy] Turing Machine ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] Devoto and Wire [george.m.hook@ac.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:19:15 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin Interview >From: "giluz" >2. Does anyone know anything about Turing Machine? > The Turing Machine was/is a hypothetical solution (or rather indicated as the solution to the hypothectical problem) in Artificial Intellegence development by Dr. Turing. He conjectures that a valid test for the success of A.I. is to construct a machine such that when questions are fed in, the recepients of the answers cannot tell whether those answers are composed by a living sentient being, or the result of a program. There are several sites on the Web that employ variations of the Turing Machine paradigm - mostly in psuedopyschiatric settings. As far as I know, no one has (completely) successfully built a Turing Machine. And even if one is built, the question of whether this indicates the "success" of A.I. research is still open to debate. Other A.I. investigators have worked in the area of the game of chess in an attempt to emulate human thinking patterns in this so-complex game. However, those programs that use various logical algorhythms to abstractize chess knowledge still fall behind those that uses simple brute force strength searches (ie. examine every possible move/position possibility with a given amount of time.). Like the IBM program that beat World Champion Kasparov a few years back. - Steve. G _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:38:45 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] Turing Machine Thanks for the explanation, but that's not what I meant. I knew about Alan Turing and his AI experiments (though not as elaborately as you've explained it). I think his assumption was right, that intelligence can only be defined as one by another intelligence. I know this is a recursive definition, but intelligence is a vague idea to begin with. However, I was referring to the NY based band of the same name. They do post-rock, which sometimes suffer an over-emphasis of guitars, but they're quite good (and their name is one of the best I heard). Does anyone know anything about them? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:42:17 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Turing Machine > > sounds like you've stumped us again, Giluz!! > What does 'stump' mean? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:10:11 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Turing Machine Hi Giluz, Stumped is a U.S. slang word. Possibly British too - not sure about that. It means "Answerless, puzzled, confused." As in "The question was so hard that it stumped all of the contestants." Cheers, Paul - ---------- > From: giluz > To: IdealCopy ; Katherine Pouliot > Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Turing Machine > Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 8:42 AM > > > > > sounds like you've stumped us again, Giluz!! > > > > What does 'stump' mean? > > giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:14:40 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Turing Machine > > Stumped is a U.S. slang word. Possibly British too - not sure > about that. > It means "Answerless, puzzled, confused." As in "The question was so hard > that it stumped all of the contestants." > > > > > > > sounds like you've stumped us again, Giluz!! > > > > > Oh, right, I certainly did then. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:36:46 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: [idealcopy] Devoto and Wire In the latest Stereophile, there's a pretty good review of the various releases from the BBC Sessions (Bowie, The Who, etc.). The writer then talks about the different Peel Sessions that were released by Strange Fruit in the late 1980s-early 1990s (he says they are now out of print, is that true?). He particularly likes The Buzzcocks sessions ... but says that they were recorded shortly after Howard Devoto left to form a more arty punk band, Wire. Well, we all know it was Magazine. I intend to write them a correction, once I get over this flu bug. George ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #325 *******************************