From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #316 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, October 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 316 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] OT - William Blake [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake Babies [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake Babies [Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk wrote: > A bit of an obscure question but I know you guys can help: > > Do you know of any musicians influenced by / quoted passagess / sang about > William Blake? I'm at work so I can't be sure - but it would seem Julian Cope, somewhere, must surely have quoted or alluded to Blake. I mean, how could he not? And you probably don't want to know about ELP's version of "Jerusalem," but now you do (if you didn't already). Oh - and the story goes the Blake Babies were so named (after Wm.) by Allen Ginsberg - not sure on the source of that one, but I've read it several times. And The Doors - the phrase "the doors of perception" is the source, from Aldous Huxley - but wasn't he quoting Blake? Ther must be others... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:33:48 +0100 From: Nik Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake Chris, >Do you know of any musicians influenced by / quoted passagess / sang about >William Blake? >So far, I've come up with Billy Bragg & Fat Les & Tangerine Dream (?). You should be able to find some stuff on Jim Morrisson and his band of merry men: 'If the _doors_ of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is : infinite.' This line from Blake's 'songs of innocence, songs of experience' apparently served as the inspiration for the band's name. I think there is also a Marc Bolan connection somewhere, with regards to Blake's work as a painter/engraver. The www should be helpful. Given Blake's take on Western mysticism, I wouldn't be surprised if you found echoes of it in Diamanda Galas's lyrics as well (I'm not familiar enough with them to be sure). By the way, Blake's the author of a lovely little poem called 'The Fly', which, however, seems wholly unconnected to the song by the funky foursome. Nik aiming to please ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:44:33 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake - ------_Part_39ec65d1-0381-3292-010203040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - ------_Part_39ec65d1-0381-3292-010203040506 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from web37.aolmail.aol.com (web37.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.13]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:23:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:23:43 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject:Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <5f.bd24a01.271dace0@aol.com> i think jah wobble did a whole album setting blake's poems to music. maybe one year ago? not sure of the title though. then there's jordan's excellent version of "jerusalem" on the "jubilee" soundtrack. and the fall did that one too on "i am kurious oranj". now that lot would make a good show....... p - ------_Part_39ec65d1-0381-3292-010203040506-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:59:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Nik wrote: > This line from Blake's 'songs of innocence, songs of experience' > apparently served as the inspiration for the band's name. and then there's the Blake Babies, whose best-of collection was called "Innocence & Experience". shame about Juliana Hatfield's solo career. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:43:07 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake Babies and then there's the Blake Babies, whose best-of collection was called "Innocence & Experience". shame about Juliana Hatfield's solo career. ////// i bought I&E and i wasn't all that impressed. particularly when the male guitarist "does a diggle" and sings on a few tracks. the first couple of jools albums are way better than that , i quite like that type of stuff at times. a lot of her more recent albums havn't even got a uk release and she never tours , hence a profile of about zero.p >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:14:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake Babies On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > ////// i bought I&E and i wasn't all that impressed. particularly when > the male guitarist "does a diggle" and sings on a few tracks. the > first couple of jools albums are way better than that , i quite like > that type of stuff at times. first couple? i'll give you Hey Babe, which sounded like most of it was written before the band broke up, but Become What You Are marked the beginning of her transformation into a whiny wuss struggling to recapture the confidence she once had. plus, you used to be able to sing along, like. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:29:24 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Blake & U2 Thanks for all your Blake suggestions. Jah Wobble keeps cropping up. Am I the only one who thinks that the latest U2 song is dire. They seem to be progressing towards total kiddy-pap-pop. What's happened? The Pop album was OKish. A couple of passable tunes there but they're moving down the slope faster than Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards ( ref. for all you skiers!). Why are they taking songwriting tips from Ronan and Westlife? Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:51:39 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] PJ Harvey on The Tonight Show VCR alert (USA only) : PJ Harvey will be on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno tonight! (At least, that's what her website says.) I will tape and place this on my webserver for those interested in viewing. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:09:45 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] These Carhouse Hellshit Beekeeping Experiences Well anyone who rates Otomo Yoshihide and Wire must know a good thing when he hears it! Two most predominant factors in the piles of CD's threatening to take over my living room! So if you have time, could you provide a few pointers to the following which you namechecked and which I've never heard - Metro A Dip in The Pool Takako Minekawa Mathematiques Modernes Akiko Yano Jorge Reyes Haroumi Hasono Seigen Ono Allan Toussaint My first exposure to the genius of Japanese turntablist Otomo Y was at the first of the four Disobey nights in Manchester. Between Beekeeper swarms, Otomo played the funniest gig I've ever witnessed in a duet with Boredoms unique vocalist Yamatsuka Eye. It was documented on the 3" Cd MC Hellshit and DJ Carhouse (Blast First) which is probably out of print. Otomo's band Ground Zero were one of *the* rock groups of the nineties, although funnily enough most rock fans have never heard of them since they moved in experimental/improvising circles. 'Null & Void' on Tzadik is a good starting point. I'm still trying to track down Ground Zero plays Standards (nani) which was more or less impossible to find in the UK. My favourite record shop in the UK is These, 112 Brook Drive, London SE11 4TQ You have to ring a bell to get in and they usually have everything by Bruce Gilbert in stock. Only shop to stock the ISO live disc as far as I know. They are distributors for the Mego label amongst others, and are able to sell cDs cheaper because of this - as low as £10 a shot. They have sections for Sun Ra, Evan Parker, Touch, Metamkine, plunderphonics, electroacoustic music and a bargain section where they let you give them an offer for any CD you want. Some exceptionally rare used vinyl is also stocked. They do mail order, and if anyone is looking for the Gilbert/Raum 7" or the Hecker remixes CD (to which both he and Yoshihide contributed) then this is the place to go. The These men are friendly, knowledgable. trusting and possibly slightly crazy. They also run the record label which reissued all of This Heat's recordings. The total opposite to the likes of HMV, Virgin, Tower, etc where some bored security goon eyes potential customers suspiciously and the occasional decent titles are totally obvious. I never shop at the big chainstores at all, nor online - ridiculous options for an able bodied big city dweller surrounded by cars, noise and good record shops! Other useful UK shops - Vinyl Exchange, Pop Art, Pelicanneck, King Bee, Decoy (Manchester) Probe (Liverpool) 2 different Rough Trades, Small Fish (London) John Peels just come on air so now's the time to end him requests for the fifth Wire session if anyone can be bothered! john.peel@bbc.co.uk Yes to the old Otomo treatments! The Fly in the Ointment ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:13:14 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake Babies > ////// i bought I&E and i wasn't all that impressed. particularly when > the male guitarist "does a diggle" and sings on a few tracks. the > first couple of jools albums are way better than that , i quite like > that type of stuff at times. first couple? i'll give you Hey Babe, which sounded like most of it was written before the band broke up, but Become What You Are marked the beginning of her transformation into a whiny wuss struggling to recapture the confidence she once had. plus, you used to be able to sing along, like. a ////// i think BWYA was an OK pop album. i think most of her albums have a couple of pretty good tracks and a fair chunk of filler. the one that always makes me smile is "volvo" (b-side to universal heartbeat). she uses an analogy between reliable swedish cars vs unreliable american ones as a comment on american men and her lovelife. i work for a swedish company you see....... p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:19:32 +0100 From: "Stephen JC Sheen" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake As well as covering "Jerusalem", "the palace of excess leads to the palace of access" mumbled by Mark E at the start of the Fall's version of "Lost in Music" is a paraphrase of ... "The road of excess leads to the palace of Wisdom." - The Marriage of Heaven and Hell, 'Proverbs of Hell' Don't have the Sister Sledge version at hand to check whether it was taken from there or has been inserted by MES. At the risk of giving too much away about my pre-Wire pedigree, I am also convinced that there was an Alan Parsons Project-style late 70s concept album based on "Songs of Innocence and Experience" but can't think who by. May need therapy to retrieve my memories of it. google.com can't help, but if you search on "Songs of Innocence and Experience" and then search within results for "album", plenty of other names will pop up - Allen Ginsberg, Nita Sawhney, etc, together with full details of the many poems that have inspired Iron Maiden classics. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:46:45 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - William Blake as an extra bit to add to this , i was reading this months record collector with my cornflakes this morning and there's a big piece on a guy i'd never heard of before called david axelrod. he was a 60's producer who started out with lou rawls then moved on to the electric prunes then his own stuff. he's now really hip with the hip-hop guys and has been widely sampled by unkle . dj shadow , dr dre etc etc anyway , 2 of the albums the writer raved about were blake-based ; "songs of innocence" and "songs of experience" from the mid-70's. can't comment on what they sound like but i'd guess they might be the type of thing you're after. p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #316 *******************************