From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #312 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, October 14 2000 Volume 03 : Number 312 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] three things [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] OT Bath Oliver [alan gray ] [idealcopy] Get off the Topic of Off Topic! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT Bath Oliver [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] The Social [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] [idealcopy] Off topic (isn't most of it?) ["Wilson, Paul" ] [idealcopy] Re: Hannett [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Hannett [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] [OT] off and on ["dMc" ] Re: [idealcopy] The Social [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Shakin' Stevens? ["dMc" ] Re: [idealcopy] The Social [John Roberts ] [idealcopy] Off Topic - Pere Ubu/Pixies [John Roberts ] [idealcopy] (0T) Re Non wire origins. [alan gray ] Re: [idealcopy] (0T) Re Non wire origins. [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank_J=FCrgen_] [idealcopy] MP3, Achim R, Oval, Invisible Brucebox, shouting about coolness and Malka's big nothing (mostly OFF TOPIC but later a shift towards ON-NESS occurs if anyone's counting) [] Re: [idealcopy] What do you like? [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] The Fifth Peel Session (initially OFF topic but latterly ON topic then OFF again right at the end) [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=2] Re: [idealcopy] OT: P.J. Harvey (was The Fifth Peel Session) [Miles Goose] [idealcopy] Detroit Rock City ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] three things 1) Shakin Stevens - oh for f***s sake. I thought Spyro Gyra were scraping the barrel. Can't we talk about something better. 2) Why dont Wire contribute to the list? - I think Craig summed it up. Also if they were contributing then they'd never produce any music/art, or even less than they are now! 3) Funny how all the discussion points about non-Wire music are about music of a white origin. What about MOBO (Music of Black Origin) and I dont mean the inspid pop crap that awards are given for every year in the UK. I'm talking about Jazz, Reggae, World Music etc. Anybody who thinks Merzbau or the other noise merchants are great should maybe go and listen to John Coltrane or Archie Shepp or Pharaoh Saunders. Then they'll know what ear bleeding is all about! Food for thought. I hope. BTW - I agree with all of Graeme Rowlands points about why I like the List. The same reasons are also why I dont like the list. ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:05:17 -0400 (EDT) From: alan gray Subject: [idealcopy] OT Bath Oliver I put the big Breakfast on this morning and Jamie Oliver was on it with his band. He's everywhere at the moment plugging a single thats due to be released soon. He played a drum roll with a cucumber. (instead of a drumstick, not with a big cucumber helping him out by bashing the symbols etc.) For anyone intested in pre-ordering at their local record shop the band are called "Scarlet Division" Hmmm. "The band have been together for at least 10years" and Johnny Vaugn remarked that they looked like they'd "seen better days". Alan PS I've been known to submit off topic posts in the past and think that OT might be better than Off Topic which uses half the space for the heading. - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:55:25 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Get off the Topic of Off Topic! Tim << or Mark Bursa's favourite crisp flavours... >> Beef and Mustard. Those ones in the olde worlde brown bags. Mmmmmm.... Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:05:07 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bath Oliver << I put the big Breakfast on this morning and Jamie Oliver was on it with his band. He's everywhere at the moment plugging a single thats due to be released soon. He played a drum roll with a cucumber. (instead of a drumstick, not with a big cucumber helping him out by bashing the symbols etc.) For anyone intested in pre-ordering at their local record shop the band are called "Scarlet Division" Hmmm. ///// for some reaon when i read this i couldn't help recall the legendary skinhead band oi division. apparently the singer was so depressed he hung the rest of the band. with any luck mr olivers mates will treat him similarly.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:14:23 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] The Social I was in Nottingham the other weekend and by chance came across The Social. Friday night it was packed out with 18 year old students. (I could hear Paul Calf mumbling in my head) Where did Wire play? Why did they play there? Is there an upstairs? Is it good venue? Who else has played there? Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:12:23 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] Off topic (isn't most of it?) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:49:58 +0100 From: Tim Robinson > Subject: [idealcopy] Get off the Topic of Off Topic! Sorry about this being OFF-TOPIC - but I really do feel I have to defend myself against certain accusations made against me! Tim Robinson, the line "personally i find this list a good thing to do when someone is paying me to be doing something else." was NOT written by me! I was merely using someone else's quote in my e-mail. So don't start having a go at me for wasting public money!!! Comments like yours really do piss me off. I try to introduce a discussion to see whether other people get a bit annoyed at the volume of "off-topic" emails, and some people just start having a dig on a personal level. Just to clarify things - I get into work at 7.30 and work until 5. As we work a flexitime scheme, it doesn't matter WHEN I do my work, as long as I do the required number of hours per week - which I do. In fact, as I am in the office when I am not technically working, I often end up answer telephone calls and doing other work-related stuff in MY OWN TIME. Network line rental is not a problem - we are permanently connected up, so there is no added cost to me using either emails, or surfing the net. Electricity? Well yes - my PC is switched on - but then again, it is permanently switched on anyway, as I have to be continuously logged in because much of my work deals with IT related problems notified by a service desk system! Our Housing Benefit system runs on a Mainframe, and doesn't slow down because I send out a few emails!!!! The fact that I am at my desk over an hour before I have to be, is of benefit to the Housing Benefit system - if the system is down when I get in, I start work to get it up BEFORE staff who use it, get in - thus SAVING the council money! Oh, and good luck with the Manchester club! Maybe I'll pop in sometime when it's up and running. Graeme Rowland - ah but I'm not unknown now, eh? And I am still here. And hey, yes I don't have a fantastically interesting job, and Bury isn't that wonderful a place, but it's what I do and where I live, OK? Giluz - please don't introduce political debate like that. This is certainly not the place to discuss Palestinian issues. Or perhaps the list would think it is!??? Paul KW Visit The Moles (for all things Residential) http://www.theresidents.co.uk/ PS. I was going to email this directly to Tim, but... well, it all seems to be amusing some of you, so here goes! PPS Note how easy it is to send an email WITHOUT including earlier ones submitted by other people, stuck on the end. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT: Pere Ubu in Boston I saw Pere Ubu the other week here in England at the Royal Festival Hall in London. Excellent stuff. First time I'd seen them since the Cloudland tour. They didn't do enough off of Raygun Suitcase to suit my taste but plenty off of Pennsylvania and a couple of very early numbers that I won't divulge cos it might ruin it for you. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Social Woo hoo! A chance to plug that website I set up of the Nottm pics... http://www.geocities.com/wirearchive/ > Where did Wire play? Why did they play there? Is > there an upstairs? Is it > good venue? I'm assuming that you were on the ground floor level. They played upstairs in a bar that looked smaller than downstairs. They played there because of their manager Paul Smith being from Nottm. It was very loud and very crammed and sweaty so it was a fantastic gig. Who else has played there? They do have other gigs there from time to time but not many as far as I know. I think it's usually just a bar. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Hannett > << Hannett was responsible for the production on Joy > Division's "Unknown > Pleasures," breaking glass, distant sirens, Ian's > claustrophically-impaired > voice? It was a masterpiece. Then, he did > "Closer"? Great producer. You mean he nicked all of Pere Ubu's ideas. See The Modern Dance. Magic Murder and the Weather is one > of the most lifeless > recordings imaginable, Agreed. of a band that was anything> but. I think they were past their peak by this stage. No McGeogh. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:14:10 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Hannett John << You mean he nicked all of Pere Ubu's ideas. See The Modern Dance. >> Or Brian Wilson's. See Pet Sounds, with the train and the barking dogs.... or better still the Smile stuff.... Mind you, I agree that Modern Dance is an absolute classic. An all-time favourite of mine (as is Unknown Pleasures). Those albums (along with 154 and Secondhand daylight) are among the most enduring 70s albums. I'd have loved to have gone to the Ubu gig - not seen them since about 87 at the T&C, and before that supporting Gang of 4 in 1981. Unfortunately I was out of the country that day :-( So which oldies did they do? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:13:14 -0500 From: "dMc" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] off and on i think the idea of a off/on switch in the subject should be technically workable for anyone with a mail client which allows filters/rules the problem would be adherance/enforcement the ONLY request our humble listowner has EVER made is to limit quotes in replies and this request has been widely ignored (you know who you are - or maybe you don't) pretty much OT - the new SimonFisherTurner collaboration with Scanner Rimbaud is quite dandy (Bruce contributed to the last sft release) and I came across a copy of the colin-produced parade ground ep in chi last weekend if anyone is interested (paul ? -_^ ) not nearly as nice as the sonoco - the other half of which is also nicely produced by aksak mabul mark hollander that particular album is significant in my collection as the unifying bridge between wire and my main obsession, japanese pop music. (sort of what a roy wood/gilbert collab would be to others ... he said seaguls ...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:16:46 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Social John, There's also a Heavenly Social in London, which is equally tiny (and a great place to see bands). I saw Pete Astor's new band Wisdom of Harry (which is just Pete and a percussionist) there a couple of months ago. Really good gig. Nice combination of lo-fi rhythms/loops and guitar misery. With bongos. Mark << I'm assuming that you were on the ground floor level. They played upstairs in a bar that looked smaller than downstairs. They played there because of their manager Paul Smith being from Nottm. It was very loud and very crammed and sweaty so it was a fantastic gig. Who else has played there? They do have other gigs there from time to time but not many as far as I know. I think it's usually just a bar. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:21:13 -0500 From: "dMc" Subject: [idealcopy] Shakin' Stevens? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Social Pete Astor?!! Ugh!! I once saw the Loft at the Ambulance Station and the Weather Prophets at Burberries in Birmingham. They were awful. When the W Prophets played at the Fan Club in Leicester someone let a cannister of CS Gas off. That's one way of getting em off stage I suppose. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:26:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] Off Topic - Pere Ubu/Pixies So which oldies did > they do? Started the set with 30 Seconds... and Non-Alignment Pact as an encore. They play their set in alphabetical order nowadays. To save arguments apparently. I think they got the idea off of the Pixies who used to do this. The Pixies used to do their set the other way from Z to A occasionally too. (Look at your bootlegs if you don't believe me!) John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:54:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Social John, The new stuff is a very long way from either of his old bands. Lo-fi electronica, including a fair few instrumentals. I really liked both the Loft and the WPs but they were erratic live - especially the Weather Prophets. Mark You going to the Fall in Oxford on 19/11? << Pete Astor?!! Ugh!! I once saw the Loft at the Ambulance Station and the Weather Prophets at Burberries in Birmingham. They were awful. When the W Prophets played at the Fan Club in Leicester someone let a cannister of CS Gas off. That's one way of getting em off stage I suppose >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:13:00 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Mrs Mills For those who are interested Radio2 is profiling Mrs Mills Sunday afternoon. I remember someone mentioning her name a couple of months ago. Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:20:52 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Desmond Simmons Craig wrote: >Thank God. I mean, have you heard the extra tracks on >the CD reissue, where Simmons plays with a 'normal' >set-up? Bloody awful -- nowhere near as >good/atmospheric/interesting, and in some cases, even >catchy as the Dome-produced versions! My, my, don't we feel righteous here? 50% of the tracks which you think are "atmospheric/interesting" I felt they are pretentious and overproduced, while the "normal setup" versions are very good punk/post-punk tunes. Take a "normal" person (that means someone who never heard Wire) and let him/her compare the versions of "Gymnast" to understand what I mean Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:54:24 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Desmond Simmons Syarzhuk, Well, two conflicting views.....I quite like the idea of 'normal setup' Des....so I guess I'd better get the CD reissue.... Mark << Thank God. I mean, have you heard the extra tracks on >the CD reissue, where Simmons plays with a 'normal' >set-up? Bloody awful -- nowhere near as >good/atmospheric/interesting, and in some cases, even >catchy as the Dome-produced versions! My, my, don't we feel righteous here? 50% of the tracks which you think are "atmospheric/interesting" I felt they are pretentious and overproduced, while the "normal setup" versions are very good punk/post-punk tunes. Take a "normal" person (that means someone who never heard Wire) and let him/her compare the versions of "Gymnast" to understand what I mean >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:06:28 +0100 From: Nik Subject: Re: [idealcopy] What do you like? In message <20001012184231.13274.qmail@web3903.mail.yahoo.com>, Graeme Rowland writes > (snip) >Anyway it seems to me that there are a few >(non-Wire related) artists the quality of whose work >we can all appreciate - > >Can >My Bloody Valentine >Magazine (yes to all and snip) > James Brown, anybody? Aretha? The early Motown stuff? Shriekback? Gary Clail? Mark Stewart? On topic - and I'd be interested in whether any of you share this opinion - I find that a lot of Wire songs have quite a funky backbone to them. 'Lowdown' brings back memories of 'Papa was a rolling stone' and 'I should have known better' can be interpreted as 'Get up off that thang' backwards... Nik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:09:00 -0400 (EDT) From: alan gray Subject: [idealcopy] (0T) Re Non wire origins. >>Funny how all the discussion points about non-Wire >>music are about music of a white origin. What about >>MOBO (Music of Black Origin) and I dont mean the >>inspid pop crap that awards are given for every year >>in the UK. I got into African and "world" Music in the 80's when to me it seemed to be some of the best music around. Fela Kuti, Sunny Ade, and Manu Dibango who still holds my "act most late on stage" award when I saw him at Hammersmith palais.(1hour 10minutes as I remember),I also remember seeing a band who I think were British called Taxi Patta patta (excuse spelling)who were good fun. I don't make lists but if I did I wouldn't have a mobo subsection just a list of favorites down reguardless, very high on that list would be Fela Kuti. I play Fela Kuti a lot, I've got Reggae stuff from the 70's it sounds OK but also of that time and I don't play it much. I've got a few Jazz albums, (I knew a few fast show jazz club types in the 80's)I got the Atomic Basie CD in the virgin sale last week and thats worth having. Any suggestions for current "world music"? Alan - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:28:01 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank_J=FCrgen_W=F6rner?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (0T) Re Non wire origins. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan gray" To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 7:09 PM Subject: [idealcopy] (0T) Re Non wire origins. > Any suggestions for current "world music"? Try Nusrat Ali Khan ( spelling ??? ). Very interesting pakistani musician ... Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:26:14 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] MP3, Achim R, Oval, Invisible Brucebox, shouting about coolness and Malka's big nothing (mostly OFF TOPIC but later a shift towards ON-NESS occurs if anyone's counting) Charles Snider said - >>the MP3 topic - one that is rather current - lasted less than a digest. I got all that off my chest with a silly rant on the first page of my website. MP3 isn't going to be shut down by lawyers. The RIAA and the corporations are making fools of themselves again. Metallica epitomise rock as a total joke mentality. I am currently boycotting all major label product (not that they put out much worthwhile stuff these days - only things that come to mind are the Magazine reissue and the impossible to find Boredoms CD which will probably get released by a US indie with better distribution than Warners eventually - they will soon feel the pinch of my colossal financial clout!). There is a good article on the MP3/Napster tea cup storm on the Reason site which Ray introduced us to, but I must say I had a hard time finding any others which actually seemed reasonable to me. So why don't you say something about MP3 instead of complaining? >>my submission to Malka's project sums up the Wire content of this list - nothing! Now here's someone who sounds like he deletes every IC mail without reading it! Get with the program,man! Nietzsche did the nothing shtick 100 years ago! :-) Read on for Wire related content! For the first time ever! >>No one heard of Achim Reichel & Machines? We have now! Twice! Thanks! I'll check them out if the opportunity arises. >>CHECK IT OUT EXPAND YOUR HORIZONS! ITS WAY COOLER THAN OVAL!!!! No need to SHOUT! Heard ya the first time! I bet its way cooler than Radiohead too... but surely the best reason to listen to music is because one enjoys it, not because its supposedly cool? And right now very little is cooler than Kimmo Pohjonen live! What did you think of 'Ovalprocess'? Does anyone else hear similarities with 'In Esse'? Although I suppose Oval are easy listening in comparison... When Bruce G had an Invisible Jukebox sprung on him by the Wire mag about 5 years ago, they played him Oval. They also played him Joy Division, Gyorgy Ligeti, Pierre Henry, the Hafler Trio, Morton Feldman, Einheit/Brotzmann, Aphex Twin, Pink Floyd, Lee Ranaldo and (gulp!) Elastica, but sadly no Shakin' Stevens. He said of Oval that he could've done without the music but that fortunately on a lot of the tracks they'd dispensed with the music. he also said he thought the shuffling Cd was an interesting way of producing music, and his Can remix seems to utilise a skipping Cd or a digital process which sounds very similar. I travelled far and wide through many different times, Heard academic slags reel off names of books and bands behind the green door, The Fly in the Ointment ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:16:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] What do you like? Nik, << On topic - and I'd be interested in whether any of you share this opinion - I find that a lot of Wire songs have quite a funky backbone to them. 'Lowdown' brings back memories of 'Papa was a rolling stone' and 'I should have known better' can be interpreted as 'Get up off that thang' backwards... >> I don't really see it - Wire is pretty much MOWO! Although the version of Go Ahead they played at the Garage was pretty funky..... Mark MOWO = Music of Wire Origin, of course ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:31:41 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] The Fifth Peel Session (initially OFF topic but latterly ON topic then OFF again right at the end) I think it was Paul Rabjohn who asked where I heard the PJ Harvey songs - They were played by John Peel (Tuesday-Thursday 10pm-midnight, Radio 1). His radio broadcasts are netcast so people can pick them up outside the UK. Unfortunately I don't have the details. He's recently been playing a track each from the new PJ Harvey and Fall albums every night, and has also played stuff from the new Melt Banana album which already sounds like the best album of the century so far! New Fall album sounds like it could be a lot better than their last patchy effort. PJ Harvey seems to be heading towards the middle of the road, but a couple of songs have been good enough to have made it onto 'Is This Desire?' He has PJ Harvey playing live on the show 26/10. ***********Almost ON TOPIC******** Last week he played a track by Matt Herbert (Mistakes) which reminded me of the Ocsid track 'Two Important Factors' but more linear perhaps, and a bit harder. Good sessions this year have come from Nought, Dick Dale, Sigur Ros, Mouse on Mars, Trans Am, Man Or Astroman?, Kid Koala, Mira Calix, Ui, the Make Up and he's broadcast exclusive live tracks from Melt Banana, Magnetophone, Yo La Tengo, DJ Food, Surgeon, Papa M, Bardo Pond and even the band we're allowed to talk about. **********ON TOPIC ALERT!************** This year I've heard him play 'Lowdown' from the All Tomorrows Parties bash and the 2nd version of 'Pink Flag' from the 'Wire Tapper' compilation, which he opined was the best track on it. I'll bet more than a few listers first heard Wire on his show. I remember being flabberghasted when he played 'A Serious of Snakes' as I had no idea Wire were active at that point! I think it's about time he invited Wire in for their fifth Peel Session. Even if they haven't got any new songs written yet, 'Go Ahead', 'He Knows', 'Heartbeat' '40 Versions' and 'Drill' would make a good listen to tide us all over until PF3. Maybe all us Uk listers should e-mail him while he's on air to let him know what a good idea this would be. He does tend to respond to his listeners - sometimes he even sends people spare copies of records they're having trouble finding. His address is john.peel@bbc.co.uk Shall we try it on Tuesday and see if we get a response? And surely its about time for another Shakin' Stevens session? :-) The other Radio program I try to listen to whenever possible is 'Hear & Now' on Radio 3 10.15pm Friday. This week they had a stunning 1979 percussion piece by Gerard Griset which Neubauten would've been proud of. Ian Pace played piano on Rebecca Saunders' piece 'Quartet' (nothing to do with Ultravox!) in an ensemble called Topology - could this be ye olde Deep Purple progrocker? Jazz on 3 and Mixing It (R3 Sat 10.45pm) are sometimes worthwhile too. BTW I got the new Eleventh Dream Day album 'Stalled Parade' yesterday - rockin' time! Nearly as hot as Shaky's denims! Cool be damned! Eyes Steady and Peeled for old Achim Reichel records, Even a bit of Achim Wollscheid will do! 'Ecim' by Cul De Sac ain't bad either! But forget Aachen... The Fly in the Ointment ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:37:23 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: P.J. Harvey (was The Fifth Peel Session) At 12:31 AM 10/14/2000 +0100, Graeme Rowland wrote: >better than their last patchy effort. PJ Harvey seems >to be heading towards the middle of the road, but a >couple of songs have been good enough to have made it >onto 'Is This Desire?' This statement strikes me as contradictory to my own perceptions, which had pegged all of IS THIS DESIRE? as a relatively forgettable veer toward the middle of the road. Most early takes I've read about the new album say it's a solid middle ground between the raw early sounds (DRY and RID OF ME) and the more lush, dancy soundscapes of the last two. I was really hoping so, anyway, because I was starting to nod off. Anyone else heard the new PJ and willing to confuse me further about what I'll be hearing soon? later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:43:37 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Detroit Rock City I'm gonna be in Detroit in the end of this month. Any suggestions on which bands to see, which clubs to attend, which music stores to visit are more than welcome. Yes, and if you are from Boston area, see you this Sunday at Pere Ubu show Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:03:49 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] An (a)Peel for America >They were played by John Peel (Tuesday-Thursday >10pm-midnight, Radio 1). His radio broadcasts are >netcast so people can pick them up outside the UK. >Unfortunately I don't have the details. > Hi everyone, It's really easy to listen to the John Peel show, no matter where in the world you are. Surf to: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1 And look for the button marked "Listen". This will cough up a browser window with RealPlayer, and let you listen to the live BBC Radio 1 audio stream. (Alternatively, you could use: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/realaudio/index.shtml ) Then, to find Peel's show, look here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/schedules.shtml and add the local offset for your timezone. I listened last night, and heard one of the new Fall cuts. I'm not a very good Fall expert (hey - I live in Seattle, Washington! (^_^)), but I liked what I heard. I think I may have heard the new PJ Harvey cut as well - didn't care for it too much - sounded like something off of "To Bring You My Love" which is my least favorite PJ album. (Go figure! (^_^)) But, I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:14:51 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: P.J. Harvey (was The Fifth Peel Session) WARNING: Personal Opinions about PJ Harvey in this post. Feel free to disagree. Loudly, if you like. But, no flames please. Nothing in here is meant to be offensive to anyone else's opinions. (^_^) >This statement strikes me as contradictory to my own perceptions, which had >pegged all of IS THIS DESIRE? as a relatively forgettable veer toward the >middle of the road. Hmmm. That's interesting. "Is This Desire?" is actually one of my favorite records of hers. I loved "Dry", respected "Rid Of Me" & "Four Track Demos" and found "To Bring You My Love" fairly unmemorable, and predictable, except for Down by the Water. But, then again, I must be one of the few human beings on the planet that really enjoyed "Dance Hall At Louse Point". (^_^;;) Most early takes I've read about the new album say >it's a solid middle ground between the raw early sounds (DRY and RID OF ME) >and the more lush, dancy soundscapes of the last two. I was really hoping >so, anyway, because I was starting to nod off. Anyone else heard the new >PJ and willing to confuse me further about what I'll be hearing soon? > The one track I heard sounded fairly "bluesy" and raw. Not a good sign for me - I can't stand her take on the blues. (Then again - I can't stand the blues - that's probably why..(^_^)) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #312 *******************************