From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #311 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, October 13 2000 Volume 03 : Number 311 Today's Subjects: ----------------- TransAm tour ["giluz" ] [off-topic] Kraftwerk ["giluz" ] Another list I know [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] [off-topic] Re: Kraftwerk [Mark Short ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #308 Cale [Anthony Clough ] Desmond Simmons [Wireviews ] Malka project/On/off/Immersion [Wireviews ] [off-topic] Kraftwerk ["Ciscon, Ray" ] OT: Pere Ubu in Boston ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] RE: [off-topic] Kraftwerk ["giluz" ] $list mystery Wire song [Andrew N Westmeyer ] $list on-topic: off-topic [Miles Goosens ] [idealcopy] test - had this been an actual message... [Miles Goosens Subject: TransAm tour You can find the info on the thrill jockey site: www.thrilljockey.com. (Bands section->Trans Am->tours or tour dates) I don't remember if they had any UK dates. I'm gonna see them (and maybe even interview them) next week in Vienna. Thin Line, their new album, fulfills the promise it showed after the first few listens. Not an easy album, but really worth it. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:30:36 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [off-topic] Kraftwerk I have to admit that I was never really into Kraftwerk in my youth. I liked The Model when it got to no. 1 but didn't think of them more than just a German version of all the electronic new wave that was going on at the time (I didn't even know they were doing it for so long then). Only a few months ago I started getting interested, downloaded some mp3's and liked them. I then bought Autobahn (which was just the earliest Kraftwerk album that was then at the shop) and am still quite amazed by it. Anyway, can anyone recommend other Kraftwerk albums to me? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:04:58 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Another list I know I'm all for off-topic posts. I'm subscribed to the Durutti Column list, probably the dullest list available on the web. A pack of "flamers" jump on you if you don't include the words "Vini Reilly is a god". If you don't want to talk about Durutti then you'd better piss off. I'm exaggerating a bit but you get the point. Miles, as far as I can see, you're doing a great job. The list is working well! Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:34:01 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: [off-topic] Re: Kraftwerk giluz wrote: > > > Anyway, can anyone recommend other Kraftwerk albums to me? IMHO, Trans Europ Express is their best album, with good concepts and good tunes. The inner sleeve pic of the boys sat at a cafe is a laff riot. And this is the album that kicked off hip-hop. Their work falls into two periods: before and after Autobahn. The "before" albums are fairly avant garde electro-acoustic stuff, vaguely Dome-ish. The "after" albums are much more bleepy, much more minimal, and burdened with arty intentions. There's a book by Pascal Bussey about Kraftwerk which is pretty good, published by the same outfit that publish "Everbody Loves A History". One of Kraftwerk's percussionists is about to publish his memoirs. By all accounts he has some unkind things to say about Ralf and Florian, the group's founder members. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:00:15 +0100 () From: Anthony Clough Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #308 Cale Cale, being a former student of Goldsmiths College where I work, was made an honorary fellow a while back. He was lean and looked very much still in business. He managed to completely misunderstand a question I asked about the work he did with La Monte Young but, given the controversy surrounding this stuff, perhaps he was just evading the issue. The Young book is a great read though - one of the best rock biographies/memoirs I've read. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:00:12 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: Re:Malka's project/the list I knocked up a collage to send to Malka one lunchtime at work, using the photocopier. It made me think of Graham's sleeve for the ideal copy - that was done equally quickly. So I wd advise not thinking about it too much. That way lies intellectual and artistic paralysis. Malka set a deadline of the end of October, I believe, so get to it, gang! Don't know about anyone else but I'm very interested to see the finished results, and it would be nice if it was BIG and varied in substance and content. I feel a bit responsible for all this bruhaha in that Paul W's post came hot on the heels of my `all our yesterdays' post on Nico and Cale (which at least one list member enjoyed!). Anyway, I would not think it worthwhile to split the list - there is too much overlap between on and off topic for that, and it would mean more work for the listowner. Speaking of creating work for Miles, it would be interesting to know the current membership, ratio of active members (ooer) to sleepers, number of people who *have* dropped out. The last figure might tell us whether we do need to reconsider the format. I'd be pretty upset if the list closed, I know that much for sure. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 05:43:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Desmond Simmons >>> Agreed. In Kevin E's book Lewis & Gilbert say they were trying different techniques with production - like making Des run round the block before doing his vocals - and that probably turned a decent guitar pop album into something that's neither singing fish nor fowl..... >>> Thank God. I mean, have you heard the extra tracks on the CD reissue, where Simmons plays with a 'normal' set-up? Bloody awful -- nowhere near as good/atmospheric/interesting, and in some cases, even catchy as the Dome-produced versions! I will admit though to liking the Soft Option versions that I've heard... Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 05:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Malka project/On/off/Immersion Hi all, Sorry about the combined post, but I'm kind of 'catching up with' here... >>> I've got lots of ideas, but couldn't think of any way to express them other than words. >>> Erm... then use words! There's nothing saying that whatever you send should be just images/sounds/sculpture, or whatever. Most of my submission was built on words... >>> Ha, to illustrate a point - what is Malka's project. >>> The info behind Malka's project was also printed on Wireviews and is still available in the news archives @ http://welcome.to/wireviews Right, regarding the on/off topic thing, can everyone just chill out a bit? My point of view on this is that people should just be a little more careful with their subjects -- if they change the nature of the post they are replying to, then change the subject too! If it's off-topic then so be it, but if it's a conversation between just two people, then conduct it off-list. Let's just stop the animosity! Personally, I reckon the list will die if it's strictly Wire only, and I doubt it would sustain interest for long. That would also be a bad thing for when Wire do present new stuff -- no-one will be left here to comment on it! As to the reason why no-one from Wire posts, as far as I know only Graham and Colin have the capability. I'm not sure whether or not either of them subscribe anyway. One point I should make though is that the traffic and level of static is quite high, so if you need to contact me for whatever reason then do it directly and not via the list, as some people have done in the past. Finally: Immersion. Did anyone from the list go an see the gig in NYC? If so, please send me some comments/a review or whatever. Cheers, Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:25:03 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: [off-topic] Kraftwerk Giluz wrote: Anyway, can anyone recommend other Kraftwerk albums to me? ========= Somebody wrote on the list recently that Kraftwerk were the most influential band since the Beatles. I'd have to second that motion. IMO, any Kraftwerk album from Autobahn to Electric Caf? is worth owning. My personal favorite would be Computer World, which contains what is probably my favorite Kraftwerk song, Computer Love. This is the song I play for anyone who says that synthesizers are cold and sterile. The second half of this song after the vocals have ended, IMO, contains so much plaintive emotion and longing that it simply pours out of the speakers. Three relatively simple melody lines that sound good both by themselves and mixed together, weaving in and around each other form musical nirvana for me! I remember back in the early 80's, in Chicago, scanning my radio through the FM dial and hearing 'Numbers' from the Computer World album on an 'urban' radio station. Despite the instant laugh of hearing 4 Germans on a station that never played music by Caucasian artists, in retrospect it shows the birth of Chicago Hip-Hop, House, & Techno. Although IMO the Kraftwerk originals are much better than any of the Chicago styles they inspired. I think Kraftwerk had a small bit of inspiration into Wire... but then again, I could be wrong. Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** Carthago delenda est. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:51:38 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: OT: Pere Ubu in Boston If you don't know, Pere Ubu are on US tour right now: http://www.projex.demon.co.uk/calendar.html In case you didn't feel like showing up, how about an idealcopy subscribers gathering before or after the show? I guess a lot of us will be at Middle East club on sunday. Katherine? Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:58:02 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [off-topic] Kraftwerk > I think Kraftwerk had a small bit of inspiration into Wire... but then > again, I could be wrong. No, you're not. They had a definite influence, at least on Colin. I read it somewhere in an interview. I just want to go way off-topic and state my absolute horror and disgust about current events in Israel and the occupied territories. This is what happens when you take an ex-army general and an ex-terrorist and put them as heads of states in the middle of conflicts. Enough said, I'm too depressed to elaborate. Sorry for the politics, I know that most people don't like it in this list. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:07:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: $list mystery Wire song Here's a Wire-related puzzle I've been trying to figure out. On the I Am Wired page (http://patrick.op.het.net.je/wire) there are a few RealAudio concerts. Check out the 2 November 1987 show. Here's the direct link: http://patrick.op.het.net.je/wire/wire-871102.ram The third song, starting at about 10:55, is a mystery to me. Does anybody have an idea what this could be? It's kind of difficult to tell what words Colin is singing, but the vocal progressions are vaguely similar to Public Place. The track order for that show is: Silk Skin Paws, Ahead, ???, Cheeking Tongues, Come Back In Two Halves, Madman's Honey, Freefalling Divisions, Over Theirs, Kidney Bingos, Follow The Locust, It's A Boy, Boiling Boy, Ambitious. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "I've been known to dabble." -007 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:25:37 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: $list on-topic: off-topic At 12:14 AM 10/12/2000 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >> Trouble with splitting the list is that some of the off-topic posts suddenly >> veer back on topic... i really think the best way is to flag up with OT and >> then get the emails not the digest so you can delete the OT ones if you >> want... > >If we're voting, Mark's post matches my reasoning. > >And since we've generally still not managed the trick of deleting trailing >replies, what are the odds that we'll master correctly labeling subject >lines, eh? ;) Precisely! :-) Here's my take on the thread: I'm not going to start a second list. When I see people start bitching about the proliferation of off-topic posts, my first thought is "why not spend your energy *doing* something about it -- like, for instance, write an on-topic post yourself?" Surely with the wealth of images, sounds, possible interpretations, etc., in the Wire and Wire-related catalog, there's a rich mine of material for on-topic postings. The list can be as Wire-related as its members are willing to make it. The [OT] or [non-Wire] flag is a good idea, and I encourage folks to use it, though on other lists where we've tried it, it's usually met with initial success, then after a few months, everyone forgets about it. But I find it much more condusive to keeping conversation flowing without the awkwardness of maintaining or reading two Wire lists. Not all the e-mail lists I'm on have the list name prefixing each message (fellow smoe-hosted Fegmaniax, an equally chatty list, hasn't implemented that bandwidth-waster), but I thought that was a fairly painless suggestion to implement. Beginning this afternoon US time, regular list messages should have [idealcopy] as a subject prefix, making list mail easier to identify, sort, delete, etc. Ever since we got idealcopy linked to Andrew's Wire page, list membership has hovered around 200 folks. It's not gone significantly up or down -- not when we've had unpleasant threads, not when the band reunited and toured, not even when the subject was ELO vs. Styx. (And it's ELO -- how can there even be any debate?) Anyway, the list shows no signs of dying as far as membership numbers go. I do wish more list members would post. There are only four or five voices that are regularly heard. I won't name names, but a quick perusal of any digest's table of contents (just run through 'em at http://www.smoe.org/lists/idealcopy) should tell you who they are. I'm not discouraging our frequent posters from posting, but I would welcome hearing more viewpoints more often. If you're smart enuff to enjoy Wire, chances are that what you'd have to say would be more than worthwhile, so y'all 150+ lurkers quit lurkin' and post, why dontcha? Wire members posting? The band members are well aware of this list, and they know that if they have something they'd like to share with the list, they can always Craig, Charles, Andrew, or myself to get it posted here. later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:35:28 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] test - had this been an actual message... OK, a lower case variable didn't work -- hence that "list" prefix on the last couple of messages. Let's see what this does. later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:39:40 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Miles - New Order - Albini Three cheers for Miles. Yip. Yip. Apparently Moby is to appear on the new New Order album. I can hear you all groaning. A few guys I knew when I was living in Doncaster have just had they're debut album produced by Albini. One of them used to be in The Wedding Present. David Gedge's new band was also produced by Albini. So it seems like he's only working with bands from Yorkshire? When is the Wire collaboration taking place? Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:36:08 -0500 From: "tube disaster" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: $list on-topic: off-topic Well said. I might add that when I find myself on a list that seems dominated by vacuous, twittering idiots -- FallNet, for example -- it would never occur to me to tell them to shut the hell up or start their own list or whatever (must be the flawless manners I cultivated from early '80s anarchopunk) ... I figure I'm the one who's out of step, so I'm outta there. Or I just sit idly by & let the chaff separate itself from the wheat (Buzzcocks list, for example), in the meantime deleting vast swaths of posts. Seems to work pretty decently. Dan >At 12:14 AM 10/12/2000 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > >> Trouble with splitting the list is that some of the off-topic posts >suddenly > >> veer back on topic... i really think the best way is to flag up with OT >and > >> then get the emails not the digest so you can delete the OT ones if you > >> want... > > > >If we're voting, Mark's post matches my reasoning. > > > >And since we've generally still not managed the trick of deleting trailing > >replies, what are the odds that we'll master correctly labeling subject > >lines, eh? ;) > >Precisely! :-) > >Here's my take on the thread: > >I'm not going to start a second list. When I see people start bitching >about the proliferation of off-topic posts, my first thought is "why not >spend your energy *doing* something about it -- like, for instance, write >an on-topic post yourself?" Surely with the wealth of images, sounds, >possible interpretations, etc., in the Wire and Wire-related catalog, >there's a rich mine of material for on-topic postings. The list can be as >Wire-related as its members are willing to make it. > >The [OT] or [non-Wire] flag is a good idea, and I encourage folks to use >it, though on other lists where we've tried it, it's usually met with >initial success, then after a few months, everyone forgets about it. But I >find it much more condusive to keeping conversation flowing without the >awkwardness of maintaining or reading two Wire lists. > >Not all the e-mail lists I'm on have the list name prefixing each message >(fellow smoe-hosted Fegmaniax, an equally chatty list, hasn't implemented >that bandwidth-waster), but I thought that was a fairly painless suggestion >to implement. Beginning this afternoon US time, regular list messages >should have [idealcopy] as a subject prefix, making list mail easier to >identify, sort, delete, etc. > >Ever since we got idealcopy linked to Andrew's Wire page, list membership >has hovered around 200 folks. It's not gone significantly up or down -- >not when we've had unpleasant threads, not when the band reunited and >toured, not even when the subject was ELO vs. Styx. (And it's ELO -- how >can there even be any debate?) Anyway, the list shows no signs of dying as >far as membership numbers go. > >I do wish more list members would post. There are only four or five voices >that are regularly heard. I won't name names, but a quick perusal of any >digest's table of contents (just run through 'em at >http://www.smoe.org/lists/idealcopy) should tell you who they are. I'm not >discouraging our frequent posters from posting, but I would welcome hearing >more viewpoints more often. If you're smart enuff to enjoy Wire, chances >are that what you'd have to say would be more than worthwhile, so y'all >150+ lurkers quit lurkin' and post, why dontcha? > >Wire members posting? The band members are well aware of this list, and >they know that if they have something they'd like to share with the list, >they can always Craig, Charles, Andrew, or myself to get it posted here. > >later, > >listowner Miles > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:42:31 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] What do you like? In the 7 months I've been Copying Ideals, one thing has become very obvious - Wire fans have varied taste in music. Anyway it seems to me that there are a few (non-Wire related) artists the quality of whose work we can all appreciate - Can My Bloody Valentine Magazine Joy Division The Velvet Underground Faust Captain Beefheart Shakin' Stevens Odd how none of these bands are making music any longer! If anyone has anything detrimental to say about any of the above, then I'd be interested to hear it - and if anyone has any other suggestions of artists who all Ideal Copiers seem to like... Lock up your hats (mit Swim logo) Mr Too Troo Magoo ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:47:16 -0500 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] What do you like? >In the 7 months I've been Copying Ideals, one thing >has become very obvious - Wire fans have varied taste >in music. Anyway it seems to me that there are a few >(non-Wire related) artists the quality of whose work >we can all appreciate - > >Can >My Bloody Valentine >Magazine >Joy Division >The Velvet Underground >Faust >Captain Beefheart >Shakin' Stevens > >Odd how none of these bands are making music any >longer! If anyone has anything detrimental to say >about any of the above, then I'd be interested to hear >it - and if anyone has any other suggestions of >artists who all Ideal Copiers seem to like... Probably The Fall ... Dan, who wouldn't know Faust from (great Mekons song) a hole in the ground ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:04:25 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: [idealcopy] [Off Topic] Inquiry: Who or What is a Shakin' Stevens? Who or What is a Shakin' Stevens? Enquiring minds want to know? Cheers, Ray (Bat Chain Puller) Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** Carthago delenda est. ========= Graeme wrote: Can My Bloody Valentine Magazine Joy Division The Velvet Underground Faust Captain Beefheart Shakin' Stevens ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:10:43 -0500 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Off Topic] Inquiry: Who or What is a Shakin' Stevens? Some early '80s rockabilly revivalist, I think. Big stuff in the UK, apparently. Dan, expiring mind >Who or What is a Shakin' Stevens? > >Enquiring minds want to know? > >Cheers, > >Ray (Bat Chain Puller) Ciscon >Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager >Comark, Inc. > >In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: >The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 >** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. >** > >Carthago delenda est. >========= >Graeme wrote: > > >Can >My Bloody Valentine >Magazine >Joy Division >The Velvet Underground >Faust >Captain Beefheart >Shakin' Stevens > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:22:36 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Off topic posts; an off topic post (Cale) >On the other hand, I wanted to write about it for more than a month and >forgot: Has anyone been to the Immersion gig in NY with that bloke from Orb? >What was it like? Sometimes, when there finally is wire-related stuff to >discuss, no-one mentions it... > >giluz THAT, for me, is a problem. The other is the long quotes that are not neccesary to understand the new posts. e-related >mails because you only read the 1st few lines, so how can you say there's so >much off-topic messages when you don't even bother to read them? Well, I do read them, and ... well, you know. >Even if It did seriously get on my nerves, I wouldn't make such a fuss about >it. Most subscribers to the list either enjoy it or don't care - otherwise >they would have complained. > >Does anyone else here agree with Paul? Well, I've mentioned it a couple times, but didn't get the strong (at times, down right nasty) reponse that KW got ... probably because my own words weren't as strong--more like suggestions or toungue in cheek wise cracks. But yes, I think, as noted above, that Wire-related material often gets buried in off topic stuff. I don't believe that this is tragic ... I do think it's unfortunate. II. I saw Cale in the 70s. The show including a very convincing mock-hanging that he did from one of the light fixtures--scared the hell out of everyone, including his band. After the show I was talking to a friend, when someone walked (literally) right into me. It was Cale. He took off his sunglasses, and began blinking ... he obviously had no idea what he had run into. A security guard told me to "get out of the way" (I wasn't blocking any obvious path, but never mind), and off to the employees only door he went. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:27:05 +0100 From: "Stephen JC Sheen" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Back On Topic] Inquiry: Who or What is a Shakin' Stevens? You've heard of Elvis ? Give him a Welsh accent. Shakin' Stevens ! Both Kings of Rock'n'Roll, different kingdoms. If you don't know Elvis, think Alvin Stardust plugged into the mains and shot through with jive juice. Or a cross between Ruth Madoc and Lux Interior. Oh, Julie ! In the last couple of weeks it has become obvious to me that Wire justify a list precisely because of their (possibly unique) situation at so many intersecting interests. There are those of us who having been buying Wire records since "Live at the Roxy" and like to reminisce about the old days - others who are working their way backwards and are making new discoveries. For some Wire is the weirdest group they like - for others Wire are a little light relief. Some prefer the EMI records - others the Mute. Some love the solo works and collaborations - others have never heard them. Some rushed to the reformation shows - others preferred to stay at home and reminisce about Barbarella's in 1978. Can't think of many groups whose adherents have such a wide hinterland when they bring all their disparate interests together. I suspect that the only message that would be "on topic" for everybody would be the one announcing a new studio LP. Everything else will be "off topic" for someone on the list. Seems to me quite natural that the list is going to spin off to other interesting subjects far more than it is going pull its members into a closer devotion to Wire. Whilst Wire are not in the building, enjoy poking around the rooms - something might catch your interest, even if most might be cobwebs and coffee cups ! I vote for regular reminders of the good old days and suggestions of bright new things. Otherwise the list will largely contain nothing more than intermittent reminders of historical events, like tomorrow (October 13) being the 21st anniversary of 154's entry into the UK album charts (number 39, one week). Was anybody planning a celebration ? so long, stephen - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tube disaster" To: "wire mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Off Topic] Inquiry: Who or What is a Shakin' Stevens? > Some early '80s rockabilly revivalist, I think. Big stuff in the UK, > apparently. > > Dan, expiring mind > > > >Who or What is a Shakin' Stevens? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:19:48 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Why do members of Wire themselves never contribute? They are too busy Making music Organic farming Running record labels Making sheds out of marzipan Bringing up children Stitching oversized trousers together and suspending them in the air Setting off alarms in soundproof boxes Wearing woolly hats on rooftops Watching cricket Being disobedient Tired of being told what to say Tired of being told what to write Mr Too Troo Magoo ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:36:19 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Sr. Coconut YES! I've been meaning to post a thank-you for whomever it was here who mentioned Senior Coconut a couple months ago. Was it Cracked Actor? This is the best recommendation I've had for a cd in ages. We are the robots--cha-cha-ch! Brilliant, and so much fun. "From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Anyone heard the pseudo-salsa redoings of Kraftwerk tunes by Senor Coconut y Su Conjunto? hilarious stuff - the songs work surprisingly well in that genre. - --Jeff" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:49:58 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] Get off the Topic of Off Topic! Paul Wilson wrote: > personally i find this list a good thing to do when someone is > paying me to be doing something else. Then I'm afraid you have no right to be working in the Public Sector. Using some fat-cat corporations time/money (IBM/Natwest/McDonalds/Imperial Tabocco) is funny...using the hard earned dosh of some poor sod in a mouldy flat in Radcliffe (could have been Nico!) is not. Where's your community spirit? ;) > but that's just me..... > Yes, I have a "work" email address! I read my personal emails BEFORE I start > work, not that it's any business of yours! And that's one of the reasons why > I usually receive digest versions from mail lists - so that I CAN actually > get some work done. Before you start work? So you arrive at the office....surf the net then clock in for work?! You're still using Public money for Electricity and Network line rental, and probaly slowing down the Housing Benefit system by clogging the network up with loads of off topic posts about ELO from the Wire List :) Too stingy to buy yr own internet access then? And learn some f**kin Nettiquette will ya?! Whats with the Capital Letters?! > Please, please, don't frighten off the Wire fans who want to talk about > Wire. OK. Is anyone out there actually frightened? Don't be scared kids! You don't have to sit there reading about what I think of Moby, or Mr Rowlands latest list of obscure avante garde records he's bought from Picadilly Records...or what Katherine P had for tea or Mark Bursa's favourite crisp flavours....speak up if you wanna...we'll talk favourite B-sides and haircuts too! > Why > do members of Wire themselves never contribute? I often wonder, if this list > raised and discussed MAINLY things to do with Wire, would Wire members > actually join in from time-to-time? Maybe not. They don't contribute 'cos they don't want loads of e-mails off me or you! They *do* read the list. Someone on the list forwards the best bits to the band apparently. So y'all be careful what you say about Grahams Mullet! Can we stop talking about this now?! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:16:06 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Would he say yes? Would he say no? So someone is unhappy? Someone who feels its none of our business who knows about his method of reading the Ideal Copy? This someone is relatively unknown to me. Meanwhile I know that I could have a laugh about this person with Katherine Pouliot. I could argue tooth and claw with Ciscon Ray about politics. I could listen to the Fall and John Cale and Trans Am with Giluz. I could have a right old laugh slagging crap music with Tim Robinson. I could discuss the minutae of Howard Devoto's lyrics with Mark Bursa and Paul Rabjohn. I could have Charles WMO recommend this German jack of all trades and insist that I EXPAND MY HORIZONS! I could establish a dialogue with the UK's best up-and-coming author Michel Faber! I could learn about the ins and outs of Tube Disaster's vast record collection! I could hear the wisdom and all round sensible good humour of Jeffrey (with 2F's) I could even learn the somewhat boring fact that Paul Wilson works for local government in Bury (erm, you have my sympathy!). Or even get the lowdown on when the excellent Wireviews site is updated. We are just nobodies with no opinions crawling to the altar of Wire - Rawk GODZ. I like the list just the way it is. How many are cursing this mail? How many are laughing? I sent Malka a photo collage which she said she liked - - so is it really just me & Paul? Or do you other budding artists hide your light under a bushel (as opposed to hanging them in the trees...) Hey Paul - you should've done a fat & velvet sculpture for that Joseph Beuys feel! I suppose Paul W has given up by now, but ON TOPIC has anyone heard the Madrid or Hecker or People Like Us remixes which Bruce Gilbert did not so long ago? What did you think of them? No? You Swimheads you Mr Too True Magoo ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:33:15 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Boy, this sounds like my kind of life. Are there any benefits? & Faust You get to inspire people to stop tallking about other things when they're supposed to be talking about YOU! BTW OFF TOPIC for benefit of Paul W... Faust are waaaay better now than in 70s - Only drummer Zappi and keyboardist Hans Jochim Irmler reamian from original line up. Like a juggernaut. Letting off indoor fireworks and magnesium flares! Smashing Tv w/sledgehammers! Big metal scrapheap drums! Green gas filling the Grage venue right up to bar! 2 fire engines out. Das ist gut. Apokalpse Now! "The drummer is suficiently solid minded." "The drummer's pretty solid," agre3ed Mr Gilbert on the roff of tyhe RFH. Goodnight Graeme (got my Faust ticket Monday) ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 04:02:32 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] Calling any Manchester/NW England Readers My colleagues and I are trying to start a new regular club/music night in Manchester, England that doesn't play either a selection of well known Stone Roses/James songs, 'Walk Like an Egyptian', 'Brown Eyed Girl' and that bloody Gomez track about Manchester. Or indeed 'Deep Vocal House', 'Retro 70s Grooves' or 'Student Party Hits' Please visit our website, read the full story of the City that blanded out big-time in the 90s/00s despite giving us Joy Division, Martin Hannet, Buzzococks, The Smiths, New Order, Alan Wise(!), Durutti Column, ACR, Happy Mondays, The Hacienda, Magazine, The Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club, Crispy Ambulance, Hermans Hermits and Stockholm Monsters prior to 1994. E-mail us with your support and help us find a venue that will allow us to play improper music. I promise to play lots of Wire related stuff if we get a venue!!! And no Moby! http://www.granvolume.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 04:01:50 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] (off topic) fall/bolan fallnews has just been updated and gives accurate tour dates. oxford gig confirmed at 19th november for those interested....... new album out 6/11 it says. anyway , for all you old glam rockers i see granada plus re-running "marc" at 8.30 sunday mornings. i guess a lot here would have seen this before at some point , its 76/77 era when he was getting down with the punks ; marc may have been past his prime but he had guests like the damned/gen x/hot rods/the dame and the like. i'll certainly set me vid anyway.p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #311 *******************************