From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #299 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, October 3 2000 Volume 03 : Number 299 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] radiohead [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: A Welsh Soit Suit Connection ["giluz" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #296 [Anthony Clough ] Re: Musicians as experts in other fields ["dMc" ] Re: Lennon Doc and Wire CDs ["ian barrett" ] Re: radiohead ["tube disaster" ] Re: radiohead [Carl Archer ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 04:30:00 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] radiohead must admit i thought there was a big element of "emperors new clothes" about those last 2 r/head albums ; certainly some great tracks but overall a bit one-paced , trying too hard maybe? dare i say a bit whiney? but the new one sounds at least interesting. i saw katherine said there's a single in the us ; they've made a big deal here about "no singles". but then again , they weren't going to do interviews..... c4 did that lennon night on saturday , started with a good documentary and then there was a terrible show where the (ahem) cream of the uk indie scene interpreted various lennon/beatles numbers. all the usual faces ; stereophonics/noel & liam / travis / weller / catatonia etc etc. it was all so safe and dull it reminded me of one of those horrendous 80's Prince's Trust shows. so i guess radiohead are at least something to look forward to a little. you know i used to be a big fan of indie guitar stuff but now it depresses me hugely , there has to be something better than this.p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:23:41 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: A Welsh Soit Suit Connection > "The recording of 'Honi Soit' for A & M marked a new > label deal, a new beginning. The militaristic motif on > 'Sabotage' had become a dead end and on 'Honi Soit' I > really went into a strong political, anarchic sort of > writing. > I used a producer this time because I couldn't have > done the album without one. I told *Mike Thorne*, > 'Look I've got a problem. Before I go into a studio, I > rehearse all the shit until it turns into vapour. By > the time I get into the studio I'm so bored with that > shit that what's going to happen is I'm going to start > making up songs and one thing will lead to another. I > need a record of what I'm going to do in there.' So I > had cassettes of the first six days of recording, tape > machines running continuously. And we ended up with > three times as much material as we had originally > intended. We had a number of poems, and tried each > against whatever music tracks we had. It ended up as a > real drum record, since we worked hard to get good > drum parts." > Honi Soit is my favourite John Cale album. Apart from the great songs and texts, I think its sound is absolutely amazing - one of the 1st rock LP's that managed to create dense atmosphere with an "open" sound. I don't have the technical means to explain this, but A-Z, for example, has dense sound with dense atmosphere, which makes it very hard to listen to. Honi Soit maintains the same kinda atmosphere with a more listenable sound. Ans the drum sound is amazing. It's funny that it's been produced by Mike Thorne, 'cause it doesn't sound like anything he did with Wire or A-Z. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:34:58 +0100 () From: Anthony Clough Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #296 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:56:33 EDT > From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com > Subject: this heat/ebay > > just got thru the post off ebay an album i'd been curious about for years ; > "mainstream" by quiet sun. this was made in 75 by phil manzanera in a time > out from roxy. the band included singer/drummer charles hayward from this > heat and also eno. some of the tracks are a bit prog but a lot of it really > does sound like a roxy/this heat mixture which is quite something. well worth > a listen (i see other copies on ebay regularly , this only cost me $7) > > one i didn't buy was a bootleg "live at krefeld" by this heat , went for a > mere $72. anyone got/heard this? worth it? Krefeld is worth a listen. This Heat were a very intense band live and if you didn't get to see them this is about the only opportunity you're likely to get. Having said that, at least in terms of my memory, the gig isn't as good as either of the times I saw them and I've heard there are one or two other bootlegs in circulation which might be better. Not sure how much I'd pay for a copy though but I'll tape it if you want to email me off list. tony. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:29:26 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] radiohead Hi Paul, I heard Kid A at the weekend (on a listening post in a record store in Paris). It's very good indeed - not least because it's absolutely nothing like the previous two albums - play 'spot the guitar' for starters....sounds very sampled/cut up, with lots of groovy electric piano. << must admit i thought there was a big element of "emperors new clothes" about those last 2 r/head albums ; certainly some great tracks but overall a bit one-paced , trying too hard maybe? dare i say a bit whiney? but the new one sounds at least interesting.<< Personally I loved both The Bends and OK Computer. Whiney? fine by me. There's a connection for me with the 'Head and the really creative late '70s - - early '80s period that really sets them apart from the run of the Indie mill... >>all the usual faces ; stereophonics/noel & liam / travis / weller / catatonia etc etc. it was all so safe and dull it reminded me of one of those horrendous 80's Prince's Trust shows. so i guess radiohead are at least something to look forward to a little. you know i used to be a big fan of indie guitar stuff but now it depresses me hugely , there has to be something better than this.p >> Same here. Fag-end BritPop is desperate....If you're going to have trad indie rock, give me Teenage Fanclub. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:12:23 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: A Multicolor Rainbow Type Area Giluz wrote: The lyrics are crap, I agree with you. I think what comes out from the comparisons between RATM and Wire is that (and correct me if I'm wrong) you don't mind politics in music if at least it's intelligent. You could enjoy Wire's 1st Letter even though you don't agree with the political content because it was intelligent and witty. You do not like RATM's lyrics because they suck, regardless of its political views, and because they use politics to promote themselves. . I think that sort of concludes this pointless old debate about music in politics we had here. Singing about politics is just like singing about anything else - it can be good or crap, depending on the talent of the writer. As for this "Musicians should stick to music and politicians to politics" thing - however crap and foolish musicians can be (and they can be), I'd prefer to hear almost anyone to listening to politicians talking about politics. giluz ================== Giluz, Thanks for succinctly summarizing my position almost perfectly. Perhaps if I had a degree in communications instead of computer science I'd be able to put my thoughts across just a bit more clearly! Cheers, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:15:59 -0500 From: "dMc" Subject: Re: Musicians as experts in other fields Just had an interesting thought - If musicians were required to have a clue about love and relationships, some of the greatest songs of all time wouldn't have been written. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:01:44 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Lennon Doc and Wire CDs Paul Rabjohn wrote... > c4 did that lennon night on saturday , started with a good documentary . I saw the documentary which - by necessity I suppose - was a bit of a whistlestop. One curious thing that struck me after having watched, did ANY song get mentioned by name? As for Wire CDs, calling in at my local HMV and routinely checking the Wire section, I notice that PF, CM and 154 have been issued as an offer package in a neat little binding box for £19.99. Not a bad offer for any late starters who've not yet secured these on CD. The 'bonus' tracks appear to be the standard. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:22:23 -0500 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: radiohead >> so , er , anyone heard this new album yet? havn't seen a vaguely positive > >> review yet........ also last months Q had this huge "exclusive" "only >> interview" yet this week he's also done huge spreads in the guardian and >> observer that i've seen , no doubt more besides. wonder why the change of > >> heart? p > >Well, it's been getting very positive reviews in the U.S. > >Unfortunately, we don't get to hear it until October 3rd. > >Damn - and I just spent all of my money on the Pearl Jam bootlegs. > >(Yes - I bought all of them. Does this revoke my Ideal Copy Mailing list >status? (^_^)) Nope, but it had better damn well mean I never see another demeaning word about the Cars, AFOS, etc on this list. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:35:55 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: radiohead Right on Dan! > From: "tube disaster" > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:22:23 -0500 > To: "wire mailing list" > Subject: Re: radiohead > > > > >>> so , er , anyone heard this new album yet? havn't seen a vaguely positive >> >>> review yet........ also last months Q had this huge "exclusive" "only >>> interview" yet this week he's also done huge spreads in the guardian and >>> observer that i've seen , no doubt more besides. wonder why the change of >> >>> heart? p >> >> Well, it's been getting very positive reviews in the U.S. >> >> Unfortunately, we don't get to hear it until October 3rd. >> >> Damn - and I just spent all of my money on the Pearl Jam bootlegs. >> >> (Yes - I bought all of them. Does this revoke my Ideal Copy Mailing list >> status? (^_^)) > > > Nope, but it had better damn well mean I never see another demeaning word > about the Cars, AFOS, etc on this list. > > Dan > ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #299 *******************************