From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #295 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, September 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 295 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Mary Lou Lord [Barrett Jones ] A Gray Area [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:05:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Barrett Jones Subject: Re: Mary Lou Lord i like her album "Got No Shadow" - both Nick Saloman and Roger McGuinn play guitar on it and there are some good tunes. i'd say she has more indie street cred than the label "folksinger" usually conjures up but her music is definitely folk rock as far as categories go. barrett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:52:43 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: A Gray Area Below is lyric from artists Rage Against the Machine: "Merge on the networks, slangin’ nerve gas Up jump the boogie then bang, let ’em hang While the paranoid try to stuff the void Let’s capture this AM mayhem Undressed, and blessed by the Lord The power pendulum swings by the umbilical cord Shock around the clock from noon til noon Men grabbing they mics and stuff em into the womb." Below is a lyric from artists Wire: "This is the first letter A motion's been passed Ceasefire in operation How long can it last? There's nothing in the market The embargo's in force Except if you're shipping Guns of course This is the first letter Under a daytime raid Prisoners of war Are put on display Geneva convention's A Time/Life away Sanctions are broken Violate the blockade This is the first letter Power supplies cut" Below is a lyric from artists Elvis Costello and the Attractions: "I was looking at the black and white world It seemed so exciting" ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:45:32 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: A Multicolor Rainbow Type Area Graeme Rowland wrote: Below is lyric from artists Rage Against the Machine: "Merge on the networks, slangin' nerve gas Up jump the boogie then bang, let 'em hang While the paranoid try to stuff the void Let's capture this AM mayhem Undressed, and blessed by the Lord The power pendulum swings by the umbilical cord Shock around the clock from noon til noon Men grabbing they mics and stuff em into the womb." ============================ The lyrics above look like they could have come from the notebook cover of any college freshman who's just finished reading Mao's Little Red Book. I see no 'real' intelligence in the lyrics, just the words of a cynical trust-fund kid who's selling millions of CD's by pushing radical chic to the young heads full of mush in the U.S. I guarantee you that less than 5% of the people in the U.S. who purchase RATM CD's know or care about the political content of their albums... to them, RATM 'rocks', 'they're dope', 'fill in your favorite fad expression'. It's next to impossible to comprehend the vocals on RATM songs anyway! They're almost as unintelligible as Eddie Vedder's singing for Pearl Jam! I've heard this song, 'Vietnow', I find nothing appealing in either its music or lyrics. Bottom line, IMO it's an amateurs attempt to appear as a tortured, revolutionary artist. ============================= Below is a lyric from artists Wire: "This is the first letter A motion's been passed Ceasefire in operation How long can it last? There's nothing in the market The embargo's in force Except if you're shipping Guns of course This is the first letter Under a daytime raid Prisoners of war Are put on display Geneva convention's A Time/Life away Sanctions are broken Violate the blockade This is the first letter Power supplies cut" ============================= Your attempt to draw parallels between the lyrics are obvious, but it's just as obvious that Wire's lyrics are written by someone who has an IQ above 100. Even if I don't agree with the line of thought these lyrics are traveling on, I can still enjoy them for the cleverness they possess. I particularly like the Time/Life reference in the context of the lyrics... again, I may not agree with them, but I know that there's a witty intelligence engaged behind them. ============================= Below is a lyric from artists Elvis Costello and the Attractions: "I was looking at the black and white world It seemed so exciting" ============================= The old 'looking at the world as black and white' argument... that's so passé... Black and White from your paradigm might be a 16 million color Technicolor extravaganza from your neighbor's point of view... You don't expect all of us to see things exactly the way you do? That wouldn't leave much room for diversity would it? You might think that RATM & Wire are wonderful tools to bring the oppressed masses to their feet to fight against 'the man'. I might think that RATM are shite and Wire are intelligent, versatile artists. We can both think these things and the world still moves on... it's a beautiful thing! Cheers, Ray Ciscon ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #295 *******************************