From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #287 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, September 21 2000 Volume 03 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: CD Lengths [Carl Archer ] RE: Hankems Spankems ["giluz" ] flap king? ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] RE: CD, vinyl, zzzzz... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Pink Flag 8-track (surveilance) ["dMc" ] Re: [idealcopy] flap king? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: DATs [John Roberts ] movietime [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: idealcopy-digest V3 #286 ["wiremailorder.com" ] waxing nostalgic ["dMc" ] RE: Web Radio ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Malka's Wire project -- update [Wireviews ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:53:58 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: CD Lengths Yeah, but I miss the days when recordings were 40-50 minutes in length. There are way too many CDs clocking in at 70+ minutes just because they can. - -Carl > From: george.m.hook@ac.com > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:08:29 -0500 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: CD Lengths > > > Sure, but now I can listen to Mozart's Symphony 40 and 41 on the same > compact disc without turning it over or putting on another disc (oops, > sorry, for the mention of Mozart on a Wire chat line, but I like 'em both) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:59:37 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Hankems Spankems > > > Nurenberg? Quite happy to say that no trip ever dragged me down there. > > Just sit here in N'berg as I read this ... what's wrong with my city? > > Frank Sorry about that. Actually I didn't know there were Germans in the group. Got nothing personal against Nurenberg (I don't even know whereabout in Germany it is). Just the association with the post-WW2 war trials don't particularly appeal to me. didn't mean to offend, sorry. giluz ps. How many other non-British/Americans are there on this list anyway? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:03:52 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: flap king? what happened to the albums that were pre-advertised on the insert to "Turns and Strokes", but were not released? Don't have that insert with me but I do remember there was a "Flap King" by Ex-Lion Tamers, a Colin Newman unreleased material album and something else... On the other topic, next to "Whilst climbing" cdnow lists Po - "Ducks & Drakes". Any relevance to mssrs. gilbert/lewis? Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:42:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: CD, vinyl, zzzzz... On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, giluz wrote: > look much worse than a 24 frames per second picture. 7" singles were not > designed to last more than a few months, so I guess that according to you, > since it's done intentionally, then it's cool. yeesh! People read my e-mail posts too carefully, it seems - I probably should have written "might be cool" rather than the blunter "is cool." I was merely trying to allow for the fact that, say, if Bruce Gilbert wants to sandpaper an LP for use in his "Beekeeper" guise, that might be a viable artistic move - but it doesn't imply that surfaces that sound like they've been sandpapered are a good thing in general. The other thing about 45s is I suspect they're usually on cheaper vinyl... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music:: __Paula Carino__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:54:45 -0500 From: "dMc" Subject: Pink Flag 8-track (surveilance) My curiosity piqued, I spent (wasted) the past 5 minutes perusing evanspm41099@hotmail.com 's eBay feedback. Evidently this guy is a rabid 8-track collector. He recently has recently purchased 8tracks by Joe Cocker, Jimmy Smith, Judas Priest, The Clash and the first 4 Alice Cooper albums (for $152). The only sale of 8-tracks was a lor of 150 for $30. If this guy is a dealer, he's not gonna be in business for long ;) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] flap king? On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Syarzhuk Kazachenka wrote: > On the other topic, next to "Whilst climbing" cdnow lists Po - "Ducks > & Drakes". Any relevance to mssrs. gilbert/lewis? Not really. P'o is the Gilbert/Lewis project, Po! is an indiepop band. I'm guessing neither piece of punctuation made it into CDNOW. However, Ruth Miller of Po! used to be in a very strange band called Ruth's Refrigerator with Alan Jenkins (of Deep Freeze Mice / Chrysanthemums / Creams) whose brilliant first album, Suddenly A Disfigured Head Parachuted, is easily weird enough to be of interest to fans of Colin Newman's poppier songs. There are probably still some copies left at www.interlog.com/~costan/mgccat.html You may also want to check out Cordelia Records and see whatever Jenkins is doing now: http://homepages.stayfree.co.uk/cordelia/Pages/Home%20page.html aaron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: DATs When I worked at Rough Trade there were a few albums that came out on DAT: Sugarcubes 1st, Cocteau Twins Blue Bell Knoll and I think I'm right in saying another one but I can't remember what. It wasn't Wire. - --- giluz wrote: > > > > As for Ultimate Wire Rarity - how many of you have > the DAT > > release of Ideal > > Copy? with the original long box? > > > > I thought the record companies didn't release albums > on DAT, for the same > reason they don't release albums on MD (at least > that's what I heard at the > time). > > A different subject: Friends of mine bought a new > really good hifi system > last week, and I brought some CD's to kinda test it > out. I brought Can's > Tago Mago as an example for old analogue stuff, and > was very surprised to > hear distortion in the cymbals on the left speaker > after about 2 minutes of > Oh Yeah. Is anyone aware of that? > > giluz > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:37:37 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: movietime on radio 1 this lunchtime i heard the funniest thing i'd heard in ages. they are looking for cast members for a proposed movie about the story of factory records. already they have cast steve coogan as tony wilson (seriously , this is not a wind-up). what can you say? i sent them an e-mail claiming that i'm a dead ringer for the singer of crispy ambulance (reckon i'm on pretty safe ground here. although maybe i should've claimed to BE the singer of crispy ambulance). so i'm sitting back now waiting for my call , this certaily sounds like a most excellent project i'd love to be involved with..... p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:49:09 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: RE: idealcopy-digest V3 #286 Are we talking close and play here??? Both my turntables cost less than $20 from a Salvation Army store; both are near mint though probably 10-15 years old! I recently replaced a cartridge and needle because I felt guilty about it being on there for 5 years... Vinyl gets crackles granted; but its very durable... I've got about 2000 lps - some older than me. I shop for vinyl weekly. New vinyl costs more than new CDs because it is priced that way!!!! Manufacturing costs are a SMALL part of CD pricing - especially if you're talking Major Label - this is not supply and demand; Plus we're all leaving out the very lucrative 12" market for dance/electronic. If used vinyl costs more its because one is paying for its availablilty. That Vinyl Merchant in Evanston has a Family record I want $40 beans. If I could find it at Reckless it would cost me $15 max. As I have found; used vinyl is more often than not priced less than a new CD copy. c > > Maybe you should really have a state of the art turntable then to enjoy > vinyl properly. I don't and my record collection sounds really > naff today. I > got tired of replacing the needle every few months and trying to find a > dealer that has the right equipment. A friend of mine, who has a real good > turntable, can't find any needles for it because it's really old > and no-one > knows where to get them from. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:53:42 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: movietime - --0__=TfXHE2bVIOrzcvKIlGFcGoNxSGpqhoICRY9JaKsieSqgQPpN4E0cq3JN Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Has anyone heard the rumour that Danny Boyle (Trainspotting, The Beach) is to direct a film about Joy Division. Apparently, Jude Law is up for the position of Ian Curtis. Can you believe this??? If they're wanting big names then I suggest the following: Ian Curtis - Jude Law Tony Wilson - Al Pacino Stephen - Nick Nolte Gillian - Drew Barrymore Hooky - Bob DeNiro Barney - Leo DiCappy It should be a - --0__=TfXHE2bVIOrzcvKIlGFcGoNxSGpqhoICRY9JaKsieSqgQPpN4E0cq3JN Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =A3100m production. No expense spared. Soundtrack by, hmm, why not Primal Scream, Moby and Underworld for a change. Chris. Check out http://www.nme.co.uk for details of a Granada documentary ab= out the Factory story. PaulRabjohn@aol.com on 20/09/2000 17:37:37 To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: movietime = - --0__=TfXHE2bVIOrzcvKIlGFcGoNxSGpqhoICRY9JaKsieSqgQPpN4E0cq3JN Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline on radio 1 this lunchtime i heard the funniest thing i'd heard in ages. they are looking for cast members for a proposed movie about the story of factory records. already they have cast steve coogan as tony wilson (seriously , this is not a wind-up). what can you say? i sent them an e-mail claiming that i'm a dead ringer for the singer of crispy ambulance (reckon i'm on pretty safe ground here. although maybe i should've claimed to BE the singer of crispy ambulance). so i'm sitting back now waiting for my call , this certaily sounds like a most excellent project i'd love to be involved with..... p - --0__=TfXHE2bVIOrzcvKIlGFcGoNxSGpqhoICRY9JaKsieSqgQPpN4E0cq3JN-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:48:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: flap king? Excerpts from mail: 20-Sep-100 flap king? by S. Kazachenka@hotmail.co > what happened to the albums that were pre-advertised on the > insert to "Turns and Strokes", but were not released? Don't > have that insert with me but I do remember there was a "Flap > King" by Ex-Lion Tamers, a Colin Newman unreleased material > album and something else... As WMO was wrapping up its affairs, Charles posted the status of all of the unfinished projects. The Ex-Lion Tamer's "Flap King" (aka "Ink Lag") never really got off the ground, as far as I know. Colin's unreleased stuff never really took off either, since he was busy with other projects. Try following his Swim stuff - he might release some of these tracks eventually. There were some other WMO projects as well. The Michael O'Shea album wasn't released because of financial/interest concerns. Bruce's "Haring 2" was held up, I think because Bruce wasn't ready to do it yet. Maybe eventually that will happen on another label. And of course Robert was never assigned a WMO project. :( > On the other topic, next to "Whilst climbing" cdnow lists Po - > "Ducks & Drakes". Any relevance to mssrs. gilbert/lewis? Aaron already posted about P'o versus Po!. Ruth Miller (from Po! and Ruth's Refrigerator) supposedly did a Wire cover ("Outdoor Miner"), but I wasn't able to track down a copy. I did find Ruth's Regrigerator's "A Lizard Is A Submarine On Grass", which is a ridiculously enjoyable album. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "I've been known to dabble." -007 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:55:53 -0500 From: "dMc" Subject: waxing nostalgic anyone else ever hear an old 78 shellac on a real Victrola? the sound was awesome talk about 'analogue warmth' only problem was that the stylus was second cousin to a roofing nail and the media *did* degrade i am surprised that so many have defended vinyl for lasting through multiple plays on a good stereo the high frequencies fell off very quickly my old habit was to record new albums and play the cassette to death until the record fell out of heavy rotation cds have also aided a number of long time relationships my wife was (justifiably so) wary of handling my records - but has no problems with cds and i would *never* lend an LP to a friend - but cds are no problem as to memory based (non) media, such as mp3s - they do very well in the convenience factor - and only will improve there and the lack of packaging will prove to be a non issue as kids already had to find new ways to seperate seeds and stems with the demise of the gatefold lp ;) media players are already (albeit lamely IMO) offering graphic accompaniment (JPEGs are attached or linked some way to mp3s as well) and they convert and burn mp3 playlists on the fly on under 10 minutes on a 20-cent cd-r i used to spend hours with transfer type and magazine photos creating covers for my compilation cassettes now i do the same with adaptec jewel case creator admittedly my $50 bubblejet printer leaves something to desired in quality - but i work with it: ^_- the writing is on the wall - snotty record store clerks - your days are numbered (of course you are just being replaced by snotty webmasters) david (who also purchased two dozen cds online and in stores this week - Diego Cortez - Stuzzicadenti now spinning) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:21:35 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: Web Radio From the recommendation the last time this question was posed :- http://www.gogaga.com/channel.php3?stationName=Alternative AndyL - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Sent: 19 September 2000 12:54 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Web Radio Does anyone know of a good radio station I can pick up on the web? Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Malka's Wire project -- update From Malka @ Swim~... Dear All, So far I have received a few very good and interesting responses to my "wire art" project but I realise that I didn't set a deadline. The fact that I haven't may have discouraged a few potential contributors and it would be great to have a few more items to make the project complete. So I would like to announce that the deadline will be the end of October. Anyone wishing to contribute by e.mail (or anyone who is unsure about what to do) can mail me at - maya@posteverything.com. - - I can print it here. Thanks to everybody who contributed so far. Malka - --- In addition to that, I should probably point out that Malka isn't looking for people who are going to be the next Picasso, or whatever. The reason I say this is because I've actually had several responses from people saying 'well, I would send something, but I'm not very arty' -- just send something anyway -- it's the idea that counts, and if you're unsure what to do in that area then just go with your gut! (Hope that means the same in other countries as it does in the UK!!!) By the way, the address to send stuff to by post is the usual Swim one, ie: swim ~ PO Box 3459, London, SW19 6ES. Cheers, Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #287 *******************************