From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #277 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, September 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 277 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: from a flaming pie ["giluz" ] RE: Hankems Spankems ["giluz" ] Re: Hankems Spankems [Carl Archer ] RE: Hankems Spankems ["giluz" ] trying [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] (no subject) [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] (no subject) [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] more beatles [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: from a flaming pie ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: Mike Watt covering Wire ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: more beatles ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] buzzkunst [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: Mike Watt covering Wire [Carl Archer ] Re: Mike Watt covering Wire ["tube disaster" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:24:03 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: from a flaming pie > By the time they recorded Abbey Road, they had gone to 8 track > recording with no bouncing, so those mixes are pretty much set for > stereo as is. The White Album was done on an 8-track, Abbey Road on a 16-track. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:23:26 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Hankems Spankems > LIke Giluz, I had a bad time at a festival during a > Rollins set. Just coming down off a mystical blotter, > I was hallucinating that I was at the Nuremberg > rallies with Hank as the moustachioed genocidal clown. > He did not take kindly to being pelted by hordes of > impatient Bland Limp Shitty Pappers fans and rather > than playing songs, began lecturing us all on the > error of our nationality. Apparently Hankems seemed to > think it fair to blame everyone on this island for the > Pet Shop Boys. Actually, he wasn't like that at all. He tried to be nice and commented about the weather (don't you just hate it? I mean, if you've got nothing to say then just say thanks and shut up, don't try to make conversation about nothing). But Mr. Bungle's Mike Patton made some cynical anti-techno remarks on the same festival, which is a pity - I thought he was more broadminded, especially since Mr. Bungle/Secret Chiefs 3 use electronics (brilliantly). Apart from that, it was one of the best gigs I've been to. Nurenberg? Quite happy to say that no trip ever dragged me down there. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:05:18 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: Hankems Spankems I think Mike Patton has a personality disorder involving the need to invoke trouble. He probably does like techno. Did you know that when Mr. Bungle played in LA he allegedly mentioned something on stage about "Red Hot Junkie Peppers"? Not really called for, was it? Even if it is true. - -Carl > From: "giluz" > Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:23:26 +0200 > To: "IdealCopy" , "Graeme Rowland" > > Subject: RE: Hankems Spankems > >> LIke Giluz, I had a bad time at a festival during a >> Rollins set. Just coming down off a mystical blotter, >> I was hallucinating that I was at the Nuremberg >> rallies with Hank as the moustachioed genocidal clown. >> He did not take kindly to being pelted by hordes of >> impatient Bland Limp Shitty Pappers fans and rather >> than playing songs, began lecturing us all on the >> error of our nationality. Apparently Hankems seemed to >> think it fair to blame everyone on this island for the >> Pet Shop Boys. > > Actually, he wasn't like that at all. He tried to be nice and commented > about the weather (don't you just hate it? I mean, if you've got nothing to > say then just say thanks and shut up, don't try to make conversation about > nothing). But Mr. Bungle's Mike Patton made some cynical anti-techno remarks > on the same festival, which is a pity - I thought he was more broadminded, > especially since Mr. Bungle/Secret Chiefs 3 use electronics (brilliantly). > Apart from that, it was one of the best gigs I've been to. > > Nurenberg? Quite happy to say that no trip ever dragged me down there. > > giluz > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:30:18 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Hankems Spankems > I think Mike Patton has a personality disorder involving the need > to invoke > trouble. He probably does like techno. Did you know that when > Mr. Bungle > played in LA he allegedly mentioned something on stage about "Red > Hot Junkie > Peppers"? Not really called for, was it? Even if it is true. > > -Carl > Yeah, that's the sort of thing he said about Chemical Bros., Moby, and all sorts of similar acts. I couldn't understand whether he was trying to piss the audience off or what? I really didn't understand him - maybe it's because he's got too much talent. Just another example of someone whose music I really like but doesn't look like anyone I could make friends with, even if I had the opportunity. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:37:41 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: trying right here goes , signed on with a new service provider so let's see if i can actually communicate consistently on this one. ic24 sucks bigtime.p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:47:21 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: (no subject) well i'm just back from a fortnight in france dodging roadblocks / hunting petrol (ho ho) but just thought i'd tell you all how reading went. horrible day , then elastica came on and the sun shone....... saw a few non-event small bands but the big ones were ; deftones ; ho ho . you are joking lads. elastica ; for their intro tape they played "dot-dash" followed by the pistols "roadrunner" (would justine know wire had covered that? subliminal even?). 6 months on from the last time i saw them , keyboard player mew seems to have lost a stone and aged 5 years. that elastica lifestyle , huh........ you don't need to be mystic meg to work out what tracks they played , but they slipped in a couple of new ones and went down really well. nice one. superr furries ; i was disappointed , they played a lot of slow numbers and they never took off. i'd not seen them before but i thought they were rated as a great live act. not on this showing i'm afraid. the closing "man don't give a fuck" good though. gomez ; really great , they seem to play every festival i ever go to and get better each time. nil charisma but they make a great live act. recommended. beck ; fabulous , 10-piece band full-blown revue. guy's a star. does anyone combine so many styles into a 75-minute show? fab. pulp ; half way thru beck's set i thought "pulp are never gonna follow this". they started with a chronic "common people" , the sound just disintegrated. but they rallied and pulled it off brilliantly. maybe a third new songs too. great ending. so i got a bit wet but had a great day. french radio is sooooo bad , all those mulletted pretenders-style acts who seemed to rule out there for years seemed to have gone into retirement and all you hear is limp pop or (worse still) french lightweight rap. crap , but not as bad as german rap........ musical low point was some german nu-metal act (possibly featuring nina hagen's granddaughter on vocals) doing petula clark's "downtown". the horror lives on.p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:49:25 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: (no subject) enjoyed graeme's wmo release reviews. agreed its a mixed bag , but i think all worth having. "turns & strokes" is interesting but the quality is frustrating. anyone bought that new buzzcocks double live cd ; now there's a thought , a wire live 78 set and a live 79 set all packaged up together.mmmm,nice. now i may be wrong here , but most of these tribute cd's tend to feature a track with input from the band themselves. some of new order were on "isolation" on the joy div one of a couple of years ago. now i seem to recall that some pretty heavy hints were dropped that the "best forgotten quasi-baggy" act polar bear actually involved , er , messrs gilbert and lewis. was that correct? if so i reckon bruce'd like that one..... poor old des simmons , eh. he really missed his moment more than once. wonder if he was down the garage? p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:50:54 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: more beatles just to say i recall george martin saying flatly he wasn't going to have any involvement in the album cd reissues unless the early albums were in mono. i've got a "fake stereo" copy of the 62-66 album and i think it's awful ; who on earth would prefer that stuff? i never commented before but i was amazed to hear gm had worked on some latterday ultravox album. now that's even worse than going deaf.p ps does anyone think much of colin's "blue jay way"? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:37:38 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: from a flaming pie > > By the time they recorded Abbey Road, they had gone to 8 track > > recording with no bouncing, so those mixes are pretty much set for > > stereo as is. > > The White Album was done on an 8-track, Abbey Road on a 16-track. Nope - Sorry - Abbey Road was done on an 8 track. No Beatles recording were ever done 16 track. The White Album was started on 4 track and completed on 8 track. Check The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn for all of the gory details. (Mark even includes photocopies of the EMI session logs - which clearly show Abbey Road as being done 8 track.) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:32:35 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: Mike Watt covering Wire > > Some years back, Mike Watt's old band, fIREHOSE (post-minutemen, pre-solo), > > released an EP of covers the name of which I can't remember. It did, > > however, have Mannequin on it as well as BOC's The Red and the Black and > > Public Enemy's Sophisticated Bitch. And a couple other bits of unlikeliness. > > It seems to be out of print now which is a wee bit sad as I no longer have > > mine. (eBay, Amazon, CDuniverse, and CDNow make no mention of it.) > It's called Live Totem Pole, I believe, and it has a cover of Superchunk's > "Slack Motherfucker" on it. I love, love, love my Superchunk. Uh-huh. > It is indeed called Live Totem Pole. Here's the track listing: 1. The Red and the Black (Blue Oyster Cult) 2. Sophisticated Bitch (Public Enemy) 3. Revolution (Part Two) (Butthole Surfers) 4. Slack Motherfucker (Superchunk) 5. What Gets Heard (fIREHOSE) 6. Mannequin (Wire) 7. Makin' the Freeway (fIREHOSE) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:08:01 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: more beatles > just to say i recall george martin saying flatly he wasn't going to have any > involvement in the album cd reissues unless the early albums were in mono. > i've got a "fake stereo" copy of the 62-66 album and i think it's awful ; > who on earth would prefer that stuff? > Actually - I heard that George didn't want the early albums in mono. The tale I heard went like this: Capitol took their master tapes of the first four albums (British Editions - - not the crazy American editions) and prepared straight stereo mixes for CD. George balked - rightly so - since the CD's channel separation was far greater than vinyl. George asked to remix the CDs but Capitol wanted to ship RIGHT NOW, so they offered mono mixes of the first four CDs instead which George accepted. If you want to hear what George M. would have done with the far right/far left stereo mixes, listen to Rubber Soul. And, frankly, Hard Day's Night and Beatles For Sale would have made great stereo mixes - they're four track recordings, after all. Even the last song on With The Beatles - "Money" - would have made a great stereo mix. Even though it was recorded two track, it sounds like 4 track. From "The Beatles Recording Sessions" by Mark Lewisohn: "The overdubs on the song were becoming so complicated that to avoid any further two-track to two-track copying, two separate two-track mono mixes were used for the stereo album, one for each channel, leading some people to incorrectly interpret the song as a four-track recording." They basically played the two two-track decks simultaneously using the output of each deck as a channel. It works pretty well - there's a little drift between the two channels - but it must have been hell on the recording engineers. > i never commented before but i was amazed to hear gm had worked on some > latterday ultravox album. now that's even worse than going deaf.p > The ultravox album was "Quartet". You can thank George Martin for "Reap The Wild Wind". (^_^) He's also done a Jeff Beck album (Blow by Blow) and a Cheap Trick album (All Shook Up). > ps does anyone think much of colin's "blue jay way"? Well, it's not a definitive cover in any sense, but I thought it was quite funny. Kind of ends the album on an upbeat funny note, after the dislocating/disquieting effects of the previous songs. Cheers, Paul P.S. By the way - I just saw Les Claypool in concert, and he did a killer version of Tomorrow Never Knows. (^_^) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:10:47 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: buzzkunst just to say there's a really good review of the pete n howie show on www.shotbybothsides.com. 4 new songs , no oldies. typical , just as i go on holiday that happens. no idea if they'll do it again , but i guess it might be likely? magazine box-set looks a little poor , basically 2 discs of single a and b sides (yawn) plus one of peel sessions. hmm , so instead of a £10 strange fruit cd we're gonna be asked £20+ for 4 peel sessions. i'd thought they'd do it like the pil one , but no. mind you , the strange fruit joy division cd looks good ; i've only got the 2 vinyl 12"s so to have it all on cd (plus 2 "something else" tracks and an interview) for a tenner looks tempting. could be an expensive month.p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:18:57 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: Mike Watt covering Wire Is Don Pardo going to tell me what I've won? Heehee! - -Carl > From: "Paul Pietromonaco" > Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:32:35 -0700 > To: > Subject: Re: Mike Watt covering Wire > >>> Some years back, Mike Watt's old band, fIREHOSE (post-minutemen, > pre-solo), >>> released an EP of covers the name of which I can't remember. It did, >>> however, have Mannequin on it as well as BOC's The Red and the Black > and >>> Public Enemy's Sophisticated Bitch. And a couple other bits of > unlikeliness. >>> It seems to be out of print now which is a wee bit sad as I no longer > have >>> mine. (eBay, Amazon, CDuniverse, and CDNow make no mention of it.) > >> It's called Live Totem Pole, I believe, and it has a cover of > Superchunk's >> "Slack Motherfucker" on it. I love, love, love my Superchunk. Uh-huh. >> > > It is indeed called Live Totem Pole. Here's the track listing: > > 1. The Red and the Black (Blue Oyster Cult) > 2. Sophisticated Bitch (Public Enemy) > 3. Revolution (Part Two) (Butthole Surfers) > 4. Slack Motherfucker (Superchunk) > 5. What Gets Heard (fIREHOSE) > 6. Mannequin (Wire) > 7. Makin' the Freeway (fIREHOSE) > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:55:21 -0500 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Mike Watt covering Wire >> > Some years back, Mike Watt's old band, fIREHOSE (post-minutemen, >pre-solo), >> > released an EP of covers the name of which I can't remember. It did, >> > however, have Mannequin on it as well as BOC's The Red and the Black >and >> > Public Enemy's Sophisticated Bitch. And a couple other bits of >unlikeliness. >> > It seems to be out of print now which is a wee bit sad as I no longer >have >> > mine. (eBay, Amazon, CDuniverse, and CDNow make no mention of it.) > >> It's called Live Totem Pole, I believe, and it has a cover of >Superchunk's >> "Slack Motherfucker" on it. I love, love, love my Superchunk. Uh-huh. I particularly like that version because the lyrics are more decipherable than on the original, at least to my ears. That said, I'm not a particular Firehose fan, but my favorite cover of theirs is from the one LP of theirs I own, Mr Machinery Operator -- Quicksand, originally done by Blackbird. Anyone not familiar with the latter group ought to keep an eye out for their 3 CDs, which date from roughly '87-'90. Hard to describe, but basically imagine the Everly Brothers fronting the Velvet Underground in full pop-drone mode ... they were a duo, brothers Chip & Tony Kinman, originally of US punk pioneers the Dils, later of US "alternative country" pioneers Rank & File (a mode they've recently returned to as Cowboy Nation). I've seen multiple cutout copies of their Scotti Bros. CD (which consists mainly of re-recorded songs from the first 2 albums on a smaller label ... all 3 releases are s/t, much like Peter Gabriel's first few, I guess) around here quite recently for $1.50 or so. Dan >> > >It is indeed called Live Totem Pole. Here's the track listing: > >1. The Red and the Black (Blue Oyster Cult) >2. Sophisticated Bitch (Public Enemy) >3. Revolution (Part Two) (Butthole Surfers) >4. Slack Motherfucker (Superchunk) >5. What Gets Heard (fIREHOSE) >6. Mannequin (Wire) >7. Makin' the Freeway (fIREHOSE) > >Cheers, >Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #277 *******************************