From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #272 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, September 6 2000 Volume 03 : Number 272 Today's Subjects: ----------------- FS: Colin Newman's "Bastard" CD [Rob Gronotte ] RE: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV ["giluz" ] CD Rot [Wireviews ] New CD's ["giluz" ] Re: New CD's [Vidar Ringstrom ] Holger Hiller [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: New CD's [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: FS: Colin Newman's "Bastard" CD [MarkBursa@aol.com] inaccurate subject line [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Holger Hiller [Dave Walker ] stock levels [kevin eden ] RE: inaccurate subject line ["giluz" ] Re: Holger Hiller [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: inaccurate subject line [MarkBursa@aol.com] Chameleons News [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] GYBE! [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] eminem ["Katherine Pouliot" ] RE: eminem ["giluz" ] RE: eminem [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re GYBE/Scala [alan gray ] signs of disc rot ["HALSTED :: Certified Faith Customizer" ] Re: signs of disc rot-Magazine ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: rollins & eminem [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: Re GYBE/Scala [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: rollins & eminem ["tube disaster" ] End of the Wire? [george.m.hook@ac.com] from a flaming pie [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 04:39:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Gronotte Subject: FS: Colin Newman's "Bastard" CD Anyone interested in buying an extra copy? Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:43:44 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV > I'm sure you mean well, but remember this list is made up of > people from all > over the globe. Some of us can't even get MTV!! Some of us only > get Top of the > Pops with Gail Porter! We've never heard of Michael Moore! RATM > haven't had > a hit here for ten years! > Maybe we couldn't care less whether MTV refuses to play a couple > of minutes > of RATM in between blipverts. It'll take more than that to > persuade Junior to > listen to Henry Rollins instead of his Limp Bizkit and Eminem CDs! > > Well, I've just returned from the Netherlands, where I've been to Lowlands Festival, and Mr. Rollins was performing there with his band. This is amazing - this guy is less than 40 (I think) but he already sounds older than Mick Jagger - it sounded just like the less than average American metal band, with the extra pathetic sight of Rollins himself, obviously completely unaware that he's not lean and young anymore. I don't know what this is about these early 90's rock guys, but all of them, from Rollins to Pearl Jam and Chilli Peppers, sound so anachronistic today - much more than most things done ages before their time. Eminem are cool, by the way. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 03:19:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: CD Rot >>>I think "CD rot" means a general deteriation of the CD. Skipping, distorted sound etc. If I remember correctly 90% of Island release are made by PDO. A couple of New Order releases on London Records are also PDO.>>> I have a couple of such discs, including one of the New Order ones. I noticed something was awry when I turned the disc upside down and discovered a complete lack of 'rainbow' colours when it was held up to the light. The CD refuses to play in all but the best CD players -- even screwing up in my Mac, although not my work one. It also skips a lot, despite no scratches or general damage. Lucky the album only cost me a quid, I guess! Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:29:13 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: New CD's Being on vacation, I also used the opportunity to buy some twenty-something CD's, so here's a (partial) list: PIL - plastic box (4 CD collection) Holger Czukay / Dog Walker - Clash - interesting CD of Czukay's collaboration with Koln DJ walker. Haven't listened to it much yet, so I can't say more than interesting. Holger Czukay - Good Morning Story - this is quite nice, Czukay being his regular self with the help of more electronically inclined equipment and some Can samples as well. Ronnie & Clyde - In Glorious Black & Blue - Glorious indeed. Another excellent ~swim release from 1997. Holger Hiller - S/T - who is he? the name looked familliar so I gave it a listen and liked it. At the record shop they told me he used to produce Depeche Mode in the 80's. I never had anything by DM, so I must have stumbled upon him somewhere else. Anyway, this is a good electronic piece with lots of weird sounds. Devo- Pioneers who Got Scalped - Good anthology, I still want to buy that Eno produced album, though. Specials - A's B's and Rarities - at last, the ultimate Specials singles collection - a 3 CD set. Trans Am - S/T + Futureworld Muslimgauze - 2 ep's: The first one is the 2nd half of his collaboration with Bass Communion; the 2nd is Reverberations - remixes to some band I never heard of. Having returned from the Netherlands, I've got very good excuses for short term memory failures, so I don't remember anything else, though I'm sure there was. Cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: 05 Sep 2000 12:52:49 +0200 From: Vidar Ringstrom Subject: Re: New CD's "giluz" writes: > Holger Hiller - S/T - who is he? the name looked familliar so I gave it a > listen and liked it. At the record shop they told me he used to produce > Depeche Mode in the 80's. I never had anything by DM, so I must have > stumbled upon him somewhere else. Anyway, this is a good electronic piece > with lots of weird sounds. At least two soloalbums on MUTE in the eighties. Before that he was in the german group Palais Schaumburg. He played on their excellent first album ("Palais Shaumburg"), but was gone by the second one ("Lupa" ?). Vidar - -- Vidar Ringstrøm Telefon 33 11 68 00 Bibliotek-Systemer A/S Fax 33 11 68 22 Boks 2093, Stubberød, 3255 Larvik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 06:54:22 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Holger Hiller Giluz, << Holger Hiller - S/T - who is he? the name looked familliar so I gave it a listen and liked it. At the record shop they told me he used to produce Depeche Mode in the 80's. I never had anything by DM, so I must have stumbled upon him somewhere else. Anyway, this is a good electronic piece with lots of weird sounds. >> I'm glad he's cropped up here....in the early '80s he was vocalist in Palais Schaumburg, whose first album is a real forgotten classic and should definitely appeal to Wire fans. (He's only on the first album - the line-up was very fluid!) He then went solo and produced increasingly electronic-based albums....I prefer he early stuff - the first one, Ein bundel faulniss in der Grube' (a bunch of foulness in the pit) is excellent.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:04:21 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: New CD's - --0__=fUpnh0EC1mE2jG3VYwHkxEQUrNYmSO0cpeOrQoXBxTOhDGohPu0yNYya Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Holger Hiller never produced anything by Depeche Mode. I think he did one remix for them. Chris. Vidar Ringstrom on 05/09/2000 11:52:49 To: "IdealCopy" cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: New CD's "giluz" writes: > Holger Hiller - S/T - who is he? the name looked familliar so I gave it a > listen and liked it. At the record shop they told me he used to produce > Depeche Mode in the 80's. I never had anything by DM, so I must have > stumbled upon him somewhere else. Anyway, this is a good electronic piece > with lots of weird sounds. At least two soloalbums on MUTE in the eighties. Before that he was in the german group Palais Schaumburg. He played on their excellent first album ("Palais Shaumburg"), but was gone by the second one ("Lupa" ?). Vidar - -- Vidar Ringstr - --0__=fUpnh0EC1mE2jG3VYwHkxEQUrNYmSO0cpeOrQoXBxTOhDGohPu0yNYya Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =F8m Telefon 33 11 68 00 Bibliotek-Systemer A/S Fax 33 11 68 22 Boks 2093, Stubber=F8d, 3255 Larvik = - --0__=fUpnh0EC1mE2jG3VYwHkxEQUrNYmSO0cpeOrQoXBxTOhDGohPu0yNYya-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:02:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: FS: Colin Newman's "Bastard" CD Rob, >>Anyone interested in buying an extra copy?<< Don't tell me. You found a copy with the extra EP after already buying the damn original issue.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:53:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: inaccurate subject line On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, giluz wrote: > Eminem are cool, by the way. So long as "cool" means "an obnoxious jerk whose music no one will remember a few years from now," yes... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:02:20 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: Holger Hiller Palais Schaumburg was one of those bands that launched a lot of careers. Moritz von Oswald (the whole Hardwax Basic Channel / Chain Reaction / etc.) scene and Thomas Fehlmann (another well-respected techno bod) also got their start there. -d.w. MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > I'm glad he's cropped up here....in the early '80s he was vocalist in Palais > Schaumburg, whose first album is a real forgotten classic and should > definitely appeal to Wire fans. (He's only on the first album - the line-up > was very fluid!) He then went solo and produced increasingly electronic-based > albums....I prefer he early stuff - the first one, Ein bundel faulniss in der > Grube' (a bunch of foulness in the pit) is excellent.... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: stock levels Following a recent check of stock WMO UK is can announce that the following itmes are extremely low or close to extinsion: Lewis/Gilbert/Mills - Pacific/Specific - first come first served Bruce Gilbert -The Haring - stocks low P'o - Whilst Climbing Thieves - first come first served Dome - Yclept - stocks low H.A.L.O - first come first served Hox - first come first served Ocsid - stocks low He Said Omala - both titles stocks low Wire book - stocks low From 31 October 2000 Wire - Coatings will no longer be available for sale in shops. The licensing deal with Mute and BBC expires. Mail order stocks available on request. Please order now to avoid disappointment. ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:20:36 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: inaccurate subject line > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, giluz wrote: > > > Eminem are cool, by the way. > > So long as "cool" means "an obnoxious jerk whose music no one will > remember a few years from now," yes... > > --Jeff > There are worse acts worth hating, and as far as memory serves - if anyone remembers any music made some years ago, it doesn't necessariliy mean that it's good, and vice versa. How many people remember Wire? Are they far more or far less than the people who actually knew their music when it was released? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:31:22 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Holger Hiller Dave, << Palais Schaumburg was one of those bands that launched a lot of careers. Moritz von Oswald (the whole Hardwax Basic Channel / Chain Reaction / etc.) scene and Thomas Fehlmann (another well-respected techno bod) also got their start there. >> Indeed. A most odd band. Timo Blunck, the bass player, formed Die Zimmermanner (the Carpenters - a top German joke!) who made odd German pop records...sort of a German Pale Fountains if you could imagine such a thing. Each of the three Schaumburg albums has a different vocalist, and only Fehlmann is on all three. And all three albums are pretty good - though the first is the best. Moritz von Oswald was originally the vibes player. They replaced Hiller's atonal guitar with vibes, which says a lot about them. There was a whole heap of good stuff in Germany in the early 80s - if you scraped beneath Nena and Trio....Schaumburg are one of my favourites of the time. I saw them at the Hacienda in Manchester (post Hiller) in about 1983 - possibly the poorest-attended gig imaginable. There were more people in the band than in the crowd. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:04:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: inaccurate subject line Giluz, Not many. Mr Enimem is an unpleasant individual, and it's hard to see his "records" being rediscovered by future generations as work of value. Hopefully he'll end up in the slammer and we'll be spared much more. Mark << So long as "cool" means "an obnoxious jerk whose music no one will > remember a few years from now," yes... > > --Jeff > There are worse acts worth hating, and as far as memory serves - if anyone remembers any music made some years ago, it doesn't necessariliy mean that it's good, and vice versa. How many people remember Wire? Are they far more or far less than the people who actually knew their music when it was released? >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:36:43 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Chameleons News - --0__=8HghbPcME8wJoTpIg85sCaVO8drHSiqDjOx9Dnx0kqXlL1HTV5wxtIti Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline For those of you interested (Inf. from The Chameleons.com). The show in London (May) was excellent so if they're playing near you be sure to get yourself a ticket. There is also a Manchester gig planned for December. Chameleons announce two Scottish Dates! - 25th August 2000 We can exclusively reveal that The Chameleons will be playing two shows in Scotland this Autumn. The dates, which are warm-ups for the German tour, will be the band's first ever shows north of the border. The gigs are at Glasgow King Tuts on Sunday October 15th and Aberdeen Glow303 on Monday October 16th. Tickets are priced - --0__=8HghbPcME8wJoTpIg85sCaVO8drHSiqDjOx9Dnx0kqXlL1HTV5wxtIti Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =A310 and available from today at the following outlets: King Tuts: 0141 221 5279 (box office) 0141 339 8383 way ahead music Glow303: 01224 642662 (box office) 01244 648000 (venue - info only) The German tour is still being prepared, but dates confirmed so far are= as follows: 21. Oct. Bielefeld Forum 22. Oct. Bremen Modernes 24. Oct. Hamburg Grosse Freiheit 25. Oct. M=FCnster Gleis 22 26. Oct. Mainz KUZ 27. Oct. Bochum Zwischenfall 28. Oct. Kleve Festival The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privil= eged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. 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You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:51:13 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: eminem I think that music critics and media people give way too many rave reviews and praise to people like Eminem. Eminem is an angry messed up kid, acting like a thug. He is constantly disrespectful to others including his wife and child, he constantly pushes people's buttons, whines on and on about his own personal problems, and that is rewarded with labels like "genius", "breaking new ground", etc. If this guy couldn't rap, my guess is he'd be relying on the drug trade, or thievery to make his living. The standards for music in this country have really gone to new lows, in my opinion. - --------- Katherine kep99@hotmail.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: A Rich and Comfortable Life with Paper Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 9:53 AM Subject: inaccurate subject line > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, giluz wrote: > > > Eminem are cool, by the way. > > So long as "cool" means "an obnoxious jerk whose music no one will > remember a few years from now," yes... > > --Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html > ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: > __Robert Desnos__ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:16:18 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: eminem > I think that music critics and media people give way too many rave reviews > and praise to people like Eminem. Eminem is an angry messed up > kid, acting > like a thug. He is constantly disrespectful to others including his wife > and child, he constantly pushes people's buttons, whines on and > on about his > own personal problems, and that is rewarded with labels like "genius", > "breaking new ground", etc. If this guy couldn't rap, my guess is he'd be > relying on the drug trade, or thievery to make his living. I think about 50-60% of the great rock musicians were disrespectful angry messed up kids with criminal / antisocial tendencies to begin with. I wouldn't want to be acquainted with most of them on a personal basis. It doesn't say anything about their music, though. As for eminem himself, I only heard some songs on the radio and watched some clips on MTV, and enjoyed them a lot. The guy really made me laugh. As far as being a genius is concerned - sounds a bit far fetched to me, but the music press always tended to exaggerate, there's nothing new there as well. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:38:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: eminem On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, giluz wrote: > I think about 50-60% of the great rock musicians were disrespectful angry > messed up kids with criminal / antisocial tendencies to begin with. I > wouldn't want to be acquainted with most of them on a personal basis. It > doesn't say anything about their music, though. As for eminem himself, I > only heard some songs on the radio and watched some clips on MTV, and > enjoyed them a lot. The guy really made me laugh. As far as being a genius > is concerned - sounds a bit far fetched to me, but the music press always > tended to exaggerate, there's nothing new there as well. I think your percentage is a bit high - and I suppose if I really liked his music, I'd deal with it - but I think there's a difference between an artist who acts like a shit because it's a saleable image, an artist who is a shit but doesn't act like it publicly, and an artist who both is a shit and acts like one precisely because both acting like a shit and "keeping it real" are what sells. That is, Eminem's probably an asshole regardless of the current commercial marketplace - but that marketplace basically encourages him to act that way in order to sell more records. I want no part of either end of that deal - which is quite different from, say, fiding out that so-and-so is actually a jerk, when his being a jerk is irrelevant to both his music and his image. Eminem's being an asshole is central to both music and image. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ np: Early Day Miners _Placer Found_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:43:40 -0400 (EDT) From: alan gray Subject: Re GYBE/Scala >>Another name that cropped up recently. I'll probably be going >>to one of >>these. >>GODSPEED YOU BLACK EMPEROR >>Sun Nov 19 2000 6:30PM SCALA I might also go to one of these. They used to have some very good allnighters/endurance tests at the Old Scala when it was off Tottenham Court Rd. From 11 pm you'd get a night of obscure films, french or otherwise, and bands on stage like one night it was Durruti Column and China Crisis,tinkling away with a couple of other bands as well. Memory hazy due to requisites of such events, Possibly or another time, to the Finland Station and AFOsg's. But I do remember, someone knicked a whole chocolate gateau from the kitchen in the sleepy hours once and the usherettes were up and down the isles at with torches looking for people covered in chocolate. I saw a very good film at one of these nights. Old black and white,french about two prisoners in solitary confinement. (In adjacent cells)They were being held in a crumbly old castle and over the years one managed to eventually poke a straw through a tiny hole he'd made in the wall between. This meant that they could blow into each others ears and communicate. I think the film was made in the 30's or 40's yet the sound track wasn't a vangelis away from being identical to Tubular bells. Does anyone know what this film was called? Alan - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:53:12 -0700 From: "HALSTED :: Certified Faith Customizer" Subject: signs of disc rot There was a question about what disc rot looks like. In the case of these discs (and about three copies of Breathless "Between Happiness and Heartache" I've owned throughout the years), There are parts of the aluminum disc that are dissolving to black between the two layers of plastic. I've had a couple of other discs where the disc turns a beautiful burnt amber / rust color and after a while will only play static (which happened to me with UK copies of XTC "Skylarking", Japan "Exorcising Ghosts" and Pere Ubu "We have the Technology" CD single) Disappointing. ================ - -Michael Halsted kbmh@pacbell.net halsted@ilm.com- ================ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:07:44 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: eminem > > I think about 50-60% of the great rock musicians were disrespectful angry > messed up kids with criminal / antisocial tendencies to begin with. Perhaps, but most of those "great rock musicians" weren't putting out nasty negative crap like what Eminem is now. I can listen to any "great rock" music from days past and be entertained more and believe there is more raw genuine talent in there than in anything Eminem has farted out. >I wouldn't want to be acquainted with most of them on a personal basis. > It doesn't say anything about their music, though. No, neither would I. However, the distinction is that a lot of people (musicians, etc.) despite their personal challenges or tendencies, however negative, found ways to be inspired through music and work past that crap and/or use it as an outlet to create entertaining memorable stuff that doesn't resort to being totally rude and vulgar to sell itself. There are plenty of ways to be honest about your stuff and still entertain people in a positive way. Even about political stuff, hahhaha, which we've heard enough about. But, I don't see Eminem as fitting that description. > As for eminem himself, I > only heard some songs on the radio and watched some clips on MTV, and > enjoyed them a lot. The guy really made me laugh. I can understand that. I can laugh at his videos too. That is because adults have a lot more brainpower to decide what they like and not be influenced by the negative stuff. Kids don't. That is what gets to me--that kids everywhere think he's so cool. > As far as being a genius > is concerned - sounds a bit far fetched to me, but the music press always > tended to exaggerate, there's nothing new there as well. > > giluz Mtv lauds him as a genius--boy have they really gone downhill over the years. katherine kep99@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:45:32 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: signs of disc rot-Magazine HALSTED :: Certified Faith Customizer >copies of XTC "Skylarking", Terrible news! Dial 999....Now moving onto my other favourite thing i.e. Magazine, some listees may be interested to know that Virgin are releasing a 3cd remastered box set (inc Peel sessions, bsides etc) at the end of this month. It's called "Maybe it's right to be nervous now"....Q described "Pink Flag" as an influence on Magazine (don't see much similarity meself) and Magazine as an influence on Blur's "13"..... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. - -----Original Message----- From: HALSTED :: Certified Faith Customizer To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: 05 September 2000 17:58 Subject: signs of disc rot >There was a question about what disc rot looks like. >In the case of these discs (and about three copies of >Breathless "Between Happiness and Heartache" I've >owned throughout the years), There are parts of the >aluminum disc that are dissolving to black between the >two layers of plastic. > >I've had a couple of other discs where the disc turns >a beautiful burnt amber / rust color and after a while >will only play static (which happened to me with UK Japan "Exorcising Ghosts" >and Pere Ubu "We have the Technology" CD single) > >Disappointing. > >================ >-Michael Halsted >kbmh@pacbell.net >halsted@ilm.com- >================ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:48:09 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: rollins & eminem In a message dated 9/5/0 5:47:50 AM, giluz@nettalk.com writes: >this guy is less than 40 (I think) but he already sounds older >than Mick Jagger - it sounded just like the less than average American >metal >band, with the extra pathetic sight of Rollins himself, obviously completely >unaware that he's not lean and young anymore. I don't know what this is >about these early 90's rock guys, but all of them, from Rollins to Pearl >Jam >and Chilli Peppers, sound so anachronistic today - much more than most >things done ages before their time. i haven't followed rollins music much at all, but wasn't black flag around at least 10 years before pearl jam? i remember seeing their records in stores, probably around 82-83. as for his voice not holding up as well as jagger's...have you listened to the difference in their styles?? it's amazing he has any voice at all! also, i'd guess he's right around 40, if not a tad older. at least i always assumed he was a few years older than me. > >Eminem are cool, by the way. i sure am glad several listers beat me to the punch on this issue. my brain was hurting with the anticipation of writing the much needed reply. however, to each his/her own...but why anyone would like to watch or listen to a piece of dog feces is beyond my comprehension. i wish wendy o williams was alive today. i'd watch him on stage as long as she was there to blow him up for us! - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:50:09 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: Re GYBE/Scala In a message dated 9/5/0 12:48:52 PM, alan_gray@email.com writes: > >>>GODSPEED YOU BLACK EMPEROR >>>Sun Nov 19 2000 6:30PM SCALA > >I might also go to one of these. They used to have some very good >allnighters/endurance tests at the Old Scala when it was off Tottenham >Court >Rd. >From 11 pm you'd get a night of obscure films, french or otherwise, and >bands on stage you may see obscure films before or during the gybe show. i recommend going to at least one night. 4 nights! how wonderful!! to everyone who goes, enjoy!!! - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:54:27 -0500 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: rollins & eminem >In a message dated 9/5/0 5:47:50 AM, giluz@nettalk.com writes: > >>this guy is less than 40 (I think) but he already sounds older >>than Mick Jagger - it sounded just like the less than average American >>metal >>band, with the extra pathetic sight of Rollins himself, obviously completely >>unaware that he's not lean and young anymore. I don't know what this is >>about these early 90's rock guys, but all of them, from Rollins to Pearl >>Jam >>and Chilli Peppers, sound so anachronistic today - much more than most >>things done ages before their time. > >i haven't followed rollins music much at all, but wasn't black flag around at >least 10 years before pearl jam? i remember seeing their records in stores, >probably around 82-83. Black Flag per se go back to around '78, with Henry (who'd previously sung in the Washington DC band SOA) joining in '81. Dan as for his voice not holding up as well as >jagger's...have you listened to the difference in their styles?? it's amazing >he has any voice at all! also, i'd guess he's right around 40, if not a tad >older. at least i always assumed he was a few years older than me. >> >>Eminem are cool, by the way. > >i sure am glad several listers beat me to the punch on this issue. my brain >was hurting with the anticipation of writing the much needed reply. however, >to each his/her own...but why anyone would like to watch or listen to a piece >of dog feces is beyond my comprehension. i wish wendy o williams was alive >today. i'd watch him on stage as long as she was there to blow him up for us! > >-paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:06:58 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: End of the Wire? There's also a wonderful option on your computer called the "delete" button; I use it all the time, and it works, and it has that certain feeling of "finality" to boot. I enjoy this chat line, even if I am guilty from time to time of not commenting on orthodox Wire issues. Like, when are we going to get Beatles albums reissued in their original mono state on CD? Says here in the paper that EMI or somebody will be rereleasing all the Number 1 Beatles songs on CD soon. A repackaging effort. They'll be remastered, but not remixed, like the Yellow Submarine project. So, who cares? I'd rather hear Sgt Peppers or Revolver in original mono state (like the rerelease of Pink Floyd's "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" not too long ago). As for Wire, sure would have like to have heard 21-bit remasters of ... oh everything, instead of the simple reissue that Mute did not too long ago. They sounded okay, but, songs like "Pieta" deserve the royal treatment. George ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:06:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: from a flaming pie On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 george.m.hook@ac.com wrote: > Like, when are we going to get Beatles albums reissued in their original > mono state on CD? Says here in the paper that EMI or somebody will be > rereleasing all the Number 1 Beatles songs on CD soon. A repackaging > effort. They'll be remastered, but not remixed, like the Yellow Submarine > project. So, who cares? I'd rather hear Sgt Peppers or Revolver in > original mono state (like the rerelease of Pink Floyd's "Piper at the Gates > of Dawn" not too long ago). If EMI had their act together, they would: * Release all Beatles albums with both mono and remixed stereo mixes on a single CD. Up through "The White Album," there's plenty of room. From there on, double-CD sets doing the same thing (although I don't think there *were* mono mixes of stuff after the White Album, were there?) * When there's time, add mono & remixed stereo mixes of contemporary singles to the corresponding LPs as bonus tracks. Otherwise, re-do the _Past Masters_ CDs in the manner described above. * Keep the existing original stereo mixes in print as well - since Beatles fanatics will want all released variations (and will probably buy them - I can't imagine EMI losign money on any Beatles-related release...they could probably release a CD entitled _John Lennon's Best Farts of 1964_ and top the charts with it). * (as long as I'm dreaming) redo the _Anthology_ series w/o all the "cheating" splices, etc. Let the takes run! * Release much more from all the many "Get Back" sessions. In other words, both preserve the original, usually mono recordings, and take advantage of current technology to present stereo mixes that sound as they would have had that technology been available to the band at the time. Anything else? Since the surviving Beatles and Yoko appear to finally be comfortable dealing with their legacy (witness the new book coming out), perhaps any objections they might have to this could finally be overcome, in the name of archival completeness. Oh yeah - buy the damned rights back from Michael Fucking Jackson... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ np: Laika _Good Looking Blues_ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #272 *******************************