From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #266 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 03 : Number 266 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV [timrobinson@cwcom.net] Fw: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV ["Alex Wise" ] RE: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV [Stephen Harper ] Re:List Netiquitte ["dMc" ] Mute Nights [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] RE: List Netiquitte ["Ciscon, Ray" ] immersion @ the knitting factory [WAndyComer@aol.com] Re: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV ["lucifersam" ] Re: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV ["lucifersam" ] RE: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: List Netiquitte ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re: immersion @ the knitting factory ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Edit, Edit, Edit [Max Schmid ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:08:44 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: Re: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:33:59 -0400 Anna Ravegum wrote: >Pardon me, but since when are music and politics kept segregated? I am >constantly bombarded with off-topic, and frankly inconsequential e-mails >from this list. Well, find me a list that doesn't have off-topic posts. A mailing list on something as ephemeral as one particular Art-Rock band is bound to veer off topic. Its interesting to know about other Wire fans lives and opinions as well. I think its quite cute the way some of you tell us what records you've bought today or whatever. >Music is music, be it RATM, Primal Scream, the late, >lamented Dead Kennedys... all of which can boast a political bent. I don't want permanently adolescent rock stars in big shorts and tatooes to tell me about politics any more than I want my newsagent to lecture me on quantum mechanics. I should >have thought you would've wanted to know what's going on around you. I'm sure you mean well, but remember this list is made up of people from all over the globe. Some of us can't even get MTV!! Some of us only get Top of the Pops with Gail Porter! We've never heard of Michael Moore! RATM haven't had a hit here for ten years! Maybe we couldn't care less whether MTV refuses to play a couple of minutes of RATM in between blipverts. It'll take more than that to persuade Junior to listen to Henry Rollins instead of his Limp Bizkit and Eminem CDs! Rest >assured I will never make this mistake again. And why you would dare >e-mailing MY friends about this is beyond my comprehension. Cordially, Miss >A Ooooooooooooooooooooh! Easy Tiger! Don't worry Anna, at least your original post has now been sent and resent to the list four times over! Thats blanket e-mail for yer! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:48:49 +1000 From: "Alex Wise" Subject: Fw: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV Dear all, > Pardon me, but since when are music and politics kept segregated? I am > constantly bombarded with off-topic, and frankly inconsequential e-mails > from this list. Music is music, be it RATM, Primal Scream, the late, > lamented Dead Kennedys... all of which can boast a political bent. I should > have thought you would've wanted to know what's going on around you. Rest > assured I will never make this mistake again. And why you would dare > e-mailing MY friends about this is beyond my comprehension. Cordially, Miss > A I agree with Anna. > > > > > Ms. Ravegum/cheesewhizz, > > > > > > Blanket emails of this type to mailing lists is a flame-able offence. Flame-able eh?I feel your ears smoking.Careful you don't ignite the screen. > > > Please keep these emails to appropriate mailing lists, and don't send > them > > > to any music related list you think of. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Ray That's pretty much a blanket statement in its self.What do you mean by appropriate mailing lists? I fail to understand how one particular message could be deemed offensive.And there have certainly been plenty of off- topics in the list raised,not that I care as such.I'm sure that if it were Wire or The Fall instead of Michael Moore and Rage Against the Machine creating the music video in direct opposition to a political movement, that not one on this list would squeal and howl if that particular letter was sent to the list.If a letter is politically or personally offensive just delete it from your mailbox and it shall never bother you again > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Russel Kujan > > > > To: > > > > Date: 8/25/00 8:25:58 PM > > > > Subject: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV > > > > > > > > >From: Nader 2000 Campaign > > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: [Newsletter] Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV > > > > >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:19:02 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The infamous Michael Moore and Rage Against the Machine have teamed > up > > to > > > > >create a music video to express their disgust of what the > Republicrats > > > have > > > > >put forth for this year's presidential candidates. The video ends > with > > > > >footage of Ralph from the Green Convention saying, "if you don't turn > > on > > > to > > > > >politics, politics will turn on you." To keep the video on the air, > > vote > > > > >here: > > > > > > > > > >http://www.mtv.com/sendme.tin?page=/mtv/tubescan/trl/playmysong.jhtml > > > > > > > > > >Or call: 1-800-DIALMTV > > > > > > > > > >The video should be airing today between 3 and 4:30 pm EST. > > > > > > > > > >MORE INFORMATION: > > > > >To see a clip of the video: > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.mtv.com/nav/bandframeset.jhtml?bandmenu1=&bandmenu2=&bandmenu3=r > > > a > > > > >ge_against_the_machine > > > > > > > > > >Rage Against the Machine's Website: > > > > >http://www.ratm.com/enter.html > > > > > > > > > >Michael Moore's Website: > > > > >http://www.michaelmoore.com/ > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________ > > > > >Through this newsletter you will get updates about the latest > > happenings > > > in > > > > >the Nader 2000 campaign: you can find out how you can volunteer > > > > >(http://votenader.org/volunteer.html), how you and your friends can > > make > > > > >contributions (http://votenader.org/donate.html) and how to ENCOURAGE > > > > >OTHERS > > > > >to VOLUNTEER and WORK to TRANSFORM THIS YEAR'S RACE INTO AN OPEN > DEBATE > > > ON > > > > >CORPORATE CONTROL OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND OUR LIVES. > > > > > > > > > >"There can be no daily democracy without daily citizenship." > > > > >-Ralph Nader > > > > >Vote Nader > > > > >http://votenader.org > > > > >Paid for by the Nader 2000 General Committee, Inc. > > > > >P.O. Box 18002, Washington, D.C. 20036 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >http:votenader.org > > > > >mailto:campaign@votenader.org > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > > > > send mail to: Majordomo@mail.serve.com > > > > with the following in the body of your > > > > email message: unsubscribe bgpmail > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Web Technology & Database Integration Services > > > > http://datahelpers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Anna Ravegum > > > --- cheesewhizz@earthlink.net > > > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Anna Ravegum > --- cheesewhizz@earthlink.net > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Harper Subject: RE: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV Ray, Why the bureaucratic tone? It's pretty clear from the recent spate of "Marxist" messages that a number of listers (myself included) would be interested in Anna's links, so let's all calm down a little. This list exists for the discussion not solely of Wire, but also of lister's related interests. Stephen - --- "Ciscon, Ray" wrote: > Ms. Ravegum/cheesewhizz, > > Blanket emails of this type to mailing lists is > a flame-able offence. > > Please keep these emails to appropriate mailing > lists, and don't send them > to any music related list you think of. > > Sincerely, > > Ray ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:36:12 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV Stephen, Sorry if my response turned you off. I did not mean to sound bureaucratic, I just wanted to keep the noise level on this list down. I myself have been guilty of raising the noise level on this list in the past, there have been numerous times when my knee has jerked so hard that I've bruised it - but I've held my tongue because I want to hear about Wire and music related things. Maybe I'm just a little sensitive in my attempts to keep that noise level down. In retrospect, the reason her message ticked me off so badly in the first place is that it wasn't very clear, and she had cross posted, which is a major no-no in newsgroups and mailing lists. This mailing list doesn't have a hard-core majordomo or police officer, which is good. When someone goes off the reservation, someone will let them know. I say this as someone who's gone off the reservation and been gently, but firmly nudged back by fellow friends/list-members. I hope that clears things up... Ray (Go Ralph Nader! I own Cisco stock as well!) Ciscon -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Harper [mailto:stephen_harper@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:08 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV Ray, Why the bureaucratic tone? It's pretty clear from the recent spate of "Marxist" messages that a number of listers (myself included) would be interested in Anna's links, so let's all calm down a little. This list exists for the discussion not solely of Wire, but also of lister's related interests. Stephen - --- "Ciscon, Ray" wrote: > Ms. Ravegum/cheesewhizz, > > Blanket emails of this type to mailing lists is > a flame-able offence. > > Please keep these emails to appropriate mailing > lists, and don't send them > to any music related list you think of. > > Sincerely, > > Ray ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:38:01 -0500 From: "dMc" Subject: Re:List Netiquitte Notes: It is up to the listowner (miles in this case) to decide whether or not OT is allowed - in the case of this list , i would say that OT is allowed Anna - I am not sure if you have noticed, but Brother Ray leans a tad to the right. HE has had no problem with posting his views in the past. Anyways - as to the emails to all your friends, I suspect that is the dreaded Reply to ALL button, which should be banished from all mail clients forthwith. Only Ray himself could tell you whether it's use was intentional. A private plea - I do not mind political content, but would personally prefer extended non-musical discussions taken offlist. I personally tend to get annoyed with politicians in general, but recognize that there is a CONSIDERABLE diversity on this list (part of the appeal) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:32:42 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Mute Nights - --0__=KcgygkgWTtM2vOwOqV5adntADcMUYWafqpi71Q5WtJIRkvEhdI11wAV7 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I shall be there both nights. Looking forward to Chris & Cosey and Appliance. Savage & Johnston should be good too. Anyone else going? Chris. Irregular @ the ICA September 1 & 2 Mute Records continue their Irregular nights with two shows featuring live music, film and DJ sets at the ICA in London on the 1st and 2nd of September. A selection of artists from the Mute, Novamute and Blast First labels will be presented with a brilliant line up that includes live sets from established acts such as Speedy J alongside recent signings Appliance, Echoboy and Goldfrapp, who are set to make their British live debut. Expect a few surprise special guests to appear over the two nights. New signing to Novamute Cristian Vogel will head a great line up of DJs that will include Barry 7, Daniel Miller, Chris & Cosey, Holger Hiller and Simon Fisher Turner over the two events. More guests will be added in the future. Line up Friday 1st September Times 8pm till 1am Bands Appliance Echoboy plus special guests DJs Cristian Vogel Chris & Cosey D - Soul Static Sound John Kennedy (XFM) SFT plus guests Film "Ghosts of the Civil Dead" (starring Nick Cave) Saturday 2nd September Times 1pm till 1am Bands Goldfrapp Speedy J Conway Savage and James Johnston SFT plus special guests DJs Barry Smith (Add N To (X) Dj x Dj (Daniel Miller & Seth Hodder) Komputer Echoboy plus guests Film "Strange" (collection of Depeche Mode videos) Tickets: - --0__=KcgygkgWTtM2vOwOqV5adntADcMUYWafqpi71Q5WtJIRkvEhdI11wAV7 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =A39 (plus =A31 ICA day membership) and =A38 (ICA members) The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privil= eged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it= or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. = - --0__=KcgygkgWTtM2vOwOqV5adntADcMUYWafqpi71Q5WtJIRkvEhdI11wAV7-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:38:50 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: List Netiquitte DMc wrote: Notes: It is up to the listowner (miles in this case) to decide whether or not OT is allowed - in the case of this list , i would say that OT is allowed Anna - I am not sure if you have noticed, but Brother Ray leans a tad to the right. HE has had no problem with posting his views in the past. Anyways - as to the emails to all your friends, I suspect that is the dreaded Reply to ALL button, which should be banished from all mail clients forthwith. Only Ray himself could tell you whether it's use was intentional. A private plea - I do not mind political content, but would personally prefer extended non-musical discussions taken offlist. I personally tend to get annoyed with politicians in general, but recognize that there is a CONSIDERABLE diversity on this list (part of the appeal) ================= For the most part, I find nothing to disagree with in dMc's post. I do tend to hang around the pro-choice, anti-religion, pro-2nd Amendment, libertarian but somewhat right side of the political spectrum, which I'm sure makes me part of the 'diverse minority' on this list. I've tried to moderate my political-based posts in the past few months, and trust me... there have been numerous occasions where had I not practiced self-control, I would indeed have posted more polemics. I'd like to state that I've had several off list conversations both pro and con my positions, and the single consistent thing about all of them has been the level of politeness and courtesy. People may not agree with me in any way, but they have shown total class in the way that they've expressed it. As for the admittedly dreadful 'Reply All' button, I am blessed/cursed with Outlook and Exchange. When replying to the list, I hit the 'Reply All' button, and then delete any irrelevant email addresses... occasionally I forget to delete those extra email addresses. This was one of these times. Anna, I apologize for my cross-posting in reply to your cross-post... Thanks, Ray (considerable in size, diverse in taste) Ciscon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:05:24 EDT From: WAndyComer@aol.com Subject: immersion @ the knitting factory did anyone see colin and malka at the knitting factory last week? two fabulous shows, complete with built-in encores...when they emerged for the first of these, prompted by the cheers of the twenty-or-so people who were actually paying attention, someone shouted "12XU!" and colin chuckled and sardonically replied, "unlikely" in that drawl we all know and love... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:05:13 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV I'll tell you what folks. Anna certainly got the message across! Alistair Campbell couldn't have done a better job! > Ray, > > Why the bureaucratic tone? It's pretty clear from > the recent spate of "Marxist" messages that a > number of listers (myself included) would be > interested in Anna's links, so let's all calm > down a little. This list exists for the > discussion not solely of Wire, but also of > lister's related interests. > > Stephen > > --- "Ciscon, Ray" wrote: > > Ms. Ravegum/cheesewhizz, > > > > Blanket emails of this type to mailing lists is > > a flame-able offence. > > > > Please keep these emails to appropriate mailing > > lists, and don't send them > > to any music related list you think of. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Ray > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:12:55 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV I'd just like to say that as a brit on the list, I found this quite interesting. My American friends have now told me about Ralph Nader, whome untill this point I had known of, only as a name in the famous Buzzcocks song! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ciscon, Ray To: 'Stephen Harper' ; Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 3:36 PM Subject: RE: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV > Stephen, > > Sorry if my response turned you off. I did not mean to sound bureaucratic, I > just wanted to keep the noise level on this list down. > > I myself have been guilty of raising the noise level on this list in the > past, there have been numerous times when my knee has jerked so hard that > I've bruised it - but I've held my tongue because I want to hear about Wire > and music related things. Maybe I'm just a little sensitive in my attempts > to keep that noise level down. > > In retrospect, the reason her message ticked me off so badly in the first > place is that it wasn't very clear, and she had cross posted, which is a > major no-no in newsgroups and mailing lists. > > This mailing list doesn't have a hard-core majordomo or police officer, > which is good. When someone goes off the reservation, someone will let them > know. I say this as someone who's gone off the reservation and been gently, > but firmly nudged back by fellow friends/list-members. > > I hope that clears things up... > > Ray (Go Ralph Nader! I own Cisco stock as well!) Ciscon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Harper [mailto:stephen_harper@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:08 AM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV > > Ray, > > Why the bureaucratic tone? It's pretty clear from > the recent spate of "Marxist" messages that a > number of listers (myself included) would be > interested in Anna's links, so let's all calm > down a little. This list exists for the > discussion not solely of Wire, but also of > lister's related interests. > > Stephen > > --- "Ciscon, Ray" wrote: > > Ms. Ravegum/cheesewhizz, > > > > Blanket emails of this type to mailing lists is > > a flame-able offence. > > > > Please keep these emails to appropriate mailing > > lists, and don't send them > > to any music related list you think of. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Ray > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:47 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV Lucifersam wrote: I'll tell you what folks. Anna certainly got the message across! Alistair Campbell couldn't have done a better job! =========== It's all part of the 'No Such Thing as Bad Publicity' service we offer here on the Wire mailing list! Cheers, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:56:17 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: List Netiquitte Beginning of short rant: I have no problem with people posting their opinions on forums - that is the purpose, people share their opinions and discuss them. Right? I also have no problem with people voicing political opinions, however, IMO, it would be nice if the very opinionated righteous political stuff stayed private between debating parties, which this list does a pretty good job doing. What I DO have a problem with is instances when people like is Ms. Cheesewhizz insist that we SHOULD take action, agree with and be grateful for being "notified" of these loaded bulk e-mails. Those of us who don't like being bothered by those kinds of bulk e-mails, no matter what the content, are judged as living under rocks and having no conscience. I'd hope that the majority of the list members don't condone that kind of discourtesy in the future. End of rant, thanks for listening... katherine no cheese in this whiz! kep99@hotmail.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ciscon, Ray To: Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 11:38 AM Subject: RE: List Netiquitte > DMc wrote: > > Notes: > It is up to the listowner (miles in this case) to decide whether or not OT > is allowed - in the case of this list , i would say that OT is allowed > Anna - I am not sure if you have noticed, but Brother Ray leans a tad to the > right. > HE has had no problem with posting his views in the past. > Anyways - as to the emails to all your friends, I suspect that is the > dreaded Reply to ALL button, which should be banished from all mail clients > forthwith. Only Ray himself could tell you whether it's use was > intentional. > > A private plea - I do not mind political content, but would personally > prefer extended non-musical discussions taken offlist. > I personally tend to get annoyed with politicians in general, but recognize > that there is a CONSIDERABLE diversity on this list > (part of the appeal) > > ================= > > For the most part, I find nothing to disagree with in dMc's post. > > I do tend to hang around the pro-choice, anti-religion, pro-2nd Amendment, > libertarian but somewhat right side of the political spectrum, which I'm > sure makes me part of the 'diverse minority' on this list. > > I've tried to moderate my political-based posts in the past few months, and > trust me... there have been numerous occasions where had I not practiced > self-control, I would indeed have posted more polemics. > > I'd like to state that I've had several off list conversations both pro and > con my positions, and the single consistent thing about all of them has been > the level of politeness and courtesy. People may not agree with me in any > way, but they have shown total class in the way that they've expressed it. > > As for the admittedly dreadful 'Reply All' button, I am blessed/cursed with > Outlook and Exchange. When replying to the list, I hit the 'Reply All' > button, and then delete any irrelevant email addresses... occasionally I > forget to delete those extra email addresses. This was one of these times. > > Anna, I apologize for my cross-posting in reply to your cross-post... > > Thanks, > > Ray (considerable in size, diverse in > taste) Ciscon > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:58:58 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: immersion @ the knitting factory ah, a Wire related post! THANK YOU !!! Good to hear that some people were able to take advantage and check out the show. Does anyone have any visual links or sound bytes?? ;-) katherine - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: immersion @ the knitting factory > > did anyone see colin and malka at the knitting factory last week? two > fabulous shows, complete with built-in encores...when they emerged for the > first of these, prompted by the cheers of the twenty-or-so people who were > actually paying attention, someone shouted "12XU!" and colin chuckled and > sardonically replied, "unlikely" in that drawl we all know and love... > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:24:05 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: List Netiquitte Blimey.......;-) > Beginning of short rant: > > I have no problem with people posting their opinions on forums - that is the > purpose, people share their opinions and discuss them. Right? I also have > no problem with people voicing political opinions, however, IMO, it would be > nice if the very opinionated righteous political stuff stayed private > between debating parties, which this list does a pretty good job doing. > > What I DO have a problem with is instances when people like is Ms. > Cheesewhizz insist that we SHOULD take action, agree with and be grateful > for being "notified" of these loaded bulk e-mails. Those of us who don't > like being bothered by those kinds of bulk e-mails, no matter what the > content, are judged as living under rocks and having no conscience. > > I'd hope that the majority of the list members don't condone that kind of > discourtesy in the future. End of rant, thanks for listening... > > katherine > no cheese in this whiz! > kep99@hotmail.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ciscon, Ray > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 11:38 AM > Subject: RE: List Netiquitte > > > > DMc wrote: > > > > Notes: > > It is up to the listowner (miles in this case) to decide whether or not OT > > is allowed - in the case of this list , i would say that OT is allowed > > Anna - I am not sure if you have noticed, but Brother Ray leans a tad to > the > > right. > > HE has had no problem with posting his views in the past. > > Anyways - as to the emails to all your friends, I suspect that is the > > dreaded Reply to ALL button, which should be banished from all mail > clients > > forthwith. Only Ray himself could tell you whether it's use was > > intentional. > > > > A private plea - I do not mind political content, but would personally > > prefer extended non-musical discussions taken offlist. > > I personally tend to get annoyed with politicians in general, but > recognize > > that there is a CONSIDERABLE diversity on this list > > (part of the appeal) > > > > ================= > > > > For the most part, I find nothing to disagree with in dMc's post. > > > > I do tend to hang around the pro-choice, anti-religion, pro-2nd Amendment, > > libertarian but somewhat right side of the political spectrum, which I'm > > sure makes me part of the 'diverse minority' on this list. > > > > I've tried to moderate my political-based posts in the past few months, > and > > trust me... there have been numerous occasions where had I not practiced > > self-control, I would indeed have posted more polemics. > > > > I'd like to state that I've had several off list conversations both pro > and > > con my positions, and the single consistent thing about all of them has > been > > the level of politeness and courtesy. People may not agree with me in any > > way, but they have shown total class in the way that they've expressed it. > > > > As for the admittedly dreadful 'Reply All' button, I am blessed/cursed > with > > Outlook and Exchange. When replying to the list, I hit the 'Reply All' > > button, and then delete any irrelevant email addresses... occasionally I > > forget to delete those extra email addresses. This was one of these times. > > > > Anna, I apologize for my cross-posting in reply to your cross-post... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ray (considerable in size, diverse in > > taste) Ciscon > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:24:25 -0400 From: Max Schmid Subject: Edit, Edit, Edit At 04:30 AM 8/29/2000 -0400, you wrote: >From: "Katherine Pouliot" >Subject: Re: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV > >I agree with Ray... > > > > Subject: Action Alert: Ralph Rocks MTV To the point of sending it intact a THIRD TIME to the list? And Prompting a FOURTH POSTING in response?? Sheesh! Go Nader! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #266 *******************************