From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #262 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, August 26 2000 Volume 03 : Number 262 Today's Subjects: ----------------- reading rocks [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: reading rocks ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re[2]: reading rocks [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] paste-up..................... [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[4]: reading rocks [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] F Pig ["Wilson, Paul" ] m rev's suicide machine(?) [VoxxJaguar@aol.com] This Heat [Mark Short ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #261 [Joshua ] Re: screamers (was:m rev's suicide machine(?) ["tube disaster" ] Albini session [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: Re: reading rocks >anyone going to reading this weekend? i've been offerrred a ticket for the pulp/beck/elastica/superfurry/gomez day (saturday) and i think i'll go for it. bound to rain though........ p Yeah, I'm going to the same day, only at Leeds, so on the Sunday. Looking forward to Beck and Super Furry Animals... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:47:04 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: reading rocks wonder what the second stage stuff like graham coxon and black box recorder will be like? i'll certainly be avoiding embrace...... p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: reading rocks Author: MIME:smj@zen.co.uk at INTERNET Date: 25/08/00 11:38 >anyone going to reading this weekend? i've been offerrred a ticket for the pulp/beck/elastica/superfurry/gomez day (saturday) and i think i'll go for it. bound to rain though........ p Yeah, I'm going to the same day, only at Leeds, so on the Sunday. Looking forward to Beck and Super Furry Animals... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:47:03 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: paste-up..................... 1. watching "i love 1974" last night and who should pop up bang on cue but chris spedding whinging about how people were so wrong to slag the wombles. right on , chris! 2. worrying interview with johnny marr last friday in the guardian. he's got a new band going but 4 worrying things appear to be a) he's into "heavy rock" b) he's the singer c) on bass is the bassist from kula shaker d) on drums is zak "son of ringo" starkey. somehow i don't think we're going to be filing that new album alongside "the queen is dead"..... Subject: revolver anyone seen it this week? i'm gutted. not that it's crap ; it's fabulous stuff but they're showing the same 4 episodes they wheeled out about a year ago. first one was probably the best ; xtc ("this is pop") and the rich kids ("rich kids" and "ghosts of princes" - now there's a neglected classic) amongst others. second one was the stranglers/costello. third i just watched , buzzcocks/siouxsie/dury. if they go along like last time then tonight is costello and a few others including my old mate brent ford. for me maybe the most interesting perfomance was siouxsie. compared to all the lurkers/vibrators-type pub rock they're about the only stylised , "modern" act on show. like a direction where the next step was going. not better , but different. laurel , you'd have loved steve d's performance (noise annoys/love you more). and this is the only time you'll hear me praise midge ure. good to see this heat gettting some namechecks , what a great band. there was a thing in "record collector" about a year ago calling them the "great lost band" of those times , it actually made me want to go buy the albums so i went and tracked down the first 2 albums (with difficulty). great stuff , shades of the dome ethos but whereas dome put such great emphasis on improvisation / spontanaiety this heat is very structured and worked out. anyway , this week i finally got in touch with these records (i have the number ; thanks graeme) and got the peel sessions cd and "health and efficiency" single. these are soooo good , the peel sessions are much rougher and off-the-cuff and better for it. for anyone curious for something new from that era i'd say these were we punt.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:02:00 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: reading rocks you wouldn't have thought "oasis-lite" was actually possible , but they actually manage to be like oasis with the (few) good bits removed. mind you , anyone remember northern uproar......? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: reading rocks Author: MIME:lucifersam@ntlworld.com at INTERNET Date: 25/08/00 12:54 God...Embrace are so miserable.....Northern miserablism at it's worst. A walking cliche! LS. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > wonder what the second stage stuff like graham coxon and black box recorder will be like? i'll certainly be avoiding embrace...... p > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: reading rocks > Author: MIME:smj@zen.co.uk at INTERNET > Date: 25/08/00 11:38 > > > >anyone going to reading this weekend? i've been offerrred a ticket for the pulp/beck/elastica/superfurry/gomez day (saturday) and i think i'll go for it. bound to rain though........ p > > Yeah, I'm going to the same day, only at Leeds, so on the Sunday. Looking forward to Beck and Super Furry Animals... > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:18:04 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: F Pig I have the Furious Pig record, and still play it. I also had the John Peel Session versions on tape - but seemed to have lost that sometime ago, unfortunately. Paul KW ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:53:34 EDT From: VoxxJaguar@aol.com Subject: m rev's suicide machine(?) Does anybody know what rhythm machine m. rev used on early suicide? df ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:54:18 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: This Heat paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > > good to see this heat gettting some namechecks , what a great band. there was a thing in "record collector" about a year ago calling them the "great lost band" of those times , it actually made me want to go buy the albums so i went and tracked down the first 2 albums (with difficulty). great stuff , shades of the dome ethos but whereas dome put such great emphasis on improvisation / spontanaiety this heat is very structured and worked out. anyway , this week i finally got in touch with these records (i have the number ; thanks graeme) and got the peel sessions cd and "health and efficiency" single. these are soooo good , the peel sessions are much rougher and off-the-cuff and better for it. for anyone curious for something new from that era i'd say these were we > punt.p This Heat were excellent. I saw them at the ICA in 1980 - one of the best live shows I've seen, complete with Charles Hayward having a Quality Street tin in his drum kit. I'd never really thought of them as being in the same bag as Dome - to me, TH were more jazz influenced. (Charles Hayward played in some jazz-rock outfits in the mid-70's, mostly Phil Manzanera projects.) "Horizontal Hold" and "24 Track Loop" off the first TH LP are awesome, they still sound innovative. The second album, "Deceit", is also pretty powerful. The lyrics do get a bit tiresome though - too much Sixth Form wordplay. I think they ended up as a "great lost band" because they hardly ever gave press interviews, and didn't gig outside London. But even if they had played The Man's game, I don't think "Not Waving But Drowning" would be featuring in TV ads. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:28:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #261 On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, idealcopy-digest wrote: > > I remember Peel playing Metabloist a lot around 79-80. A bit like Tngerine > > Dream from what I recall... though the memory is very hazy. > > Yes, I heard one of Metabolist's singles, and it seemed very droney, like > T.Dream circa Zeit - not a good place to go. The best thing about it was the > vivid blue square on the cover. Hey! I love Zeit! Also Atem. Well, OK, it's hard to tell them apart. The droney thing is fine. I mean, that's what Music for Airports is like, right? OK, well, it's a little more melodic, but the same vein. - -Joshua ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:29:56 -0500 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: screamers (was:m rev's suicide machine(?) >Does anybody know what rhythm machine >m. rev used on early suicide? > >df Speaking tangentially of whom, did my post a couple of days ago about the death Sunday of Tomata DuPlenty -- lead singer of the pioneering late-'70s aggro-synth LA band the Screamers, perhaps best described as Suicide's snottier younger brothers on an amphetamine binge -- ever make it to the list? I never saw it appear ... *sigh* I exchanged e-mail with him only a couple of months ago, & just a few days ago was dubbing Screamers audio & video left & right & mailing the results all over the globe (Scotland, Hertsfordshire[sp?], Australia ...) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:48:03 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: This Heat > > This Heat were excellent. I saw them at the ICA in 1980 - one of the best live > shows I've seen, complete with Charles Hayward having a Quality Street tin in > his drum kit. > > I'd never really thought of them as being in the same bag as Dome - to me, TH > were more jazz influenced. (Charles Hayward played in some jazz-rock outfits in > the mid-70's, mostly Phil Manzanera projects.) "Horizontal Hold" and "24 Track > Loop" off the first TH LP are awesome, they still sound innovative. The second > album, "Deceit", is also pretty powerful. The lyrics do get a bit tiresome > though - too much Sixth Form wordplay. > > I think they ended up as a "great lost band" because they hardly ever gave press > interviews, and didn't gig outside London. But even if they had played The Man's > game, I don't think "Not Waving But Drowning" would be featuring in TV ads. /////// i envy you greatly having seen TH ; i don't ever recall gigs by them being advertised. i sort of meant they were similarly original to dome , not that hey sounded too much like them. now a this heat tv ad would be something.... p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:57:26 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: Albini session I emailed info@pinkflag asking whether the Albini session was going to get a vinyl release. Colin replied that it was very unlikely, and that at that point as far as he knew the session hadn't been mixed - - so as of 1-2 weeks ago Wire still hadn't even heard it. This could have changed by now of course. The possibility was mentioned that a disc based on the Garage tapes might precede the Albini sessions. Anyway Colin's advice was for us not to hold our breath waiting for the Albini session. A little blue in the face? Secondhand Info-light Gra=20%=eme ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #262 *******************************