From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #261 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, August 25 2000 Volume 03 : Number 261 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #260 [Anthony Clough ] Re: Craigness [John Roberts ] Re: Pinkflag.com [John Roberts ] Gig - Tonight - Wow [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: A Bag of Boiling Bees [John Roberts ] Re: Craigness [MarkBursa@aol.com] colin newman/immersion playing in new york city this week.... [Rain19c@ao] Re: colin newman/immersion playing in new york city this week.... [Eardru] Knitting Factory Tonight and Tomorrow [Max Schmid ] Re: colin newman/immersion playing in new york city this week.... ["Kathe] Re: Craigness ["stephen graziano" ] cakeness - Re: Craigness [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: Pinkflag.com [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: Pinkflag.com [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Re: A Bag of Boiling Bees ["Tim Maher" ] apology [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:53:47 +0100 () From: Anthony Clough Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #260 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:30:47 EDT > From: MarkBursa@aol.com > Subject: Re: A Bag of Boiling Bees > > Graeme, > > << > Has anyone heard/heard of Metabolist or Furious Pig? >> > > I remember Peel playing Metabloist a lot around 79-80. A bit like Tngerine > Dream from what I recall... though the memory is very hazy. > > Mark > Metabolist were a kind of rougher-round-the-edges This Heat. They released two singles and an album as well as a cassette only album. I used to purge my collection regularly in those days and the album "Hansten Klork" (possibly misspelt) was a causualty because it didn't quite match up to This Heat. I bought it again recently and would recommend it although my ex-partner, who can usually see the point of most of the weird stuff I listen to, described it as "silly". The first single has a vocal sounding remarkably like Corporal ("they don't like it up 'em") Jones from British sitcom Dad's Army. I'm glad this band came up because they seem neglected and long overdue for a CD reissue. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:20:20 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: A Bag of Boiling Bees MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > Graeme, > > << > Has anyone heard/heard of Metabolist or Furious Pig? >> > > I remember Peel playing Metabloist a lot around 79-80. A bit like Tngerine > Dream from what I recall... though the memory is very hazy. Yes, I heard one of Metabolist's singles, and it seemed very droney, like T.Dream circa Zeit - not a good place to go. The best thing about it was the vivid blue square on the cover. As for Furious Pig, I remember being quite impressed with them at the time, as they stood out from the mass of "boring bands from Grimsby" that Peel played (...still plays), but FP were a one trick pony, and didn't stand up to repeated listening. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:53:06 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: Craigness > Didn't make much difference. I saw the Fall in about 93 (in Detroit, oddly) > with this line up and it was very loud and dense, and seriously lacking in > tunes. It varied at this time. I remember seeing em at De Montfort University in Leicester and they were awful. That was the gig when Levitation got punched and thrown off the tour. I saw em in Birmingham at the Foundry and they were less distorted but very weak with just the one guitar. Saw em in Birmingham again with Cabs and Wendys and they were awesome. Highlight of the night was some blokes throwing a rubber doll up on stage and MES 'It's not a Morrissey gig you know.' > > A lot of the PBL stuff (eg Garden, I feel Voxish) originally had Lard playing > keyboards and was redone with extra bits added (or not). Man Whose Head Expanded definitely had a different keyboard. I'm still not convinvced that Brix had a lot to do with PBL (if that was the original thread!). She most definitely made a big impression on WAFWOTFall - which incidentally I rate as one of their best. Certainly the best Brix album. > I thought the band was faultless up to PBL.....after that the quality becomes > more erratic... I couldn't agree more. best post-Lard albums imo are WAFWOTFall, Infotainment, Middle Class Revolt and Extricate. Good MES namechecking line; 'He couldn't tell Lou Reed from Doug Yule' (Shoulder Pads). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:59:23 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: Pinkflag.com Took about that time to get mine. Send em an email. It worked for me. John Roberts On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Jason Borchers wrote: > Being the paranoid person I am, I'm worried about not getting the > "It's All In The Brochure" CD I ordered 20 days ago. For those of > you who have ordered from them, how long did it take you to get your > stuff? > > And where's the Albini session? :) > -- > Jason Borchers > jasonmb@calweb.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:05:37 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Gig - Tonight - Wow I'm off to see Sigur Ros tonight at the Union Chapel. I'd better take a cushion for those pews. Did anyone manage to get to the Dirty 3 gig this week? Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:11:54 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: A Bag of Boiling Bees Stuart who used to hang around on this list has the Furious Pig record. Its very similar to dada or Lettrist sound poetry (extra semantic vocal arts or whatever you want to call it). John Roberts On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, [iso-8859-1] Graeme Rowland wrote: > > > Bruce Gilbert spoke about some of the discs he > sculpted with in the early Disobey days. He was asked > what was in his record bag. > > "My first choice would be Bernard Parmegiani's De > Natura Sonorum (INA/GRM) which was recorded in 1975. > It sounds rather academic and not especially ambient, > but is very slow and textural, working in shifts. > There's a great compilation of academic stuff called > Electronic Panorama (Philips), a record I had to > borrow from a friend when I was first asked to DJ at > Disobey because I didn't really have enough stuff to > play in a set back then. The album dates from the > sixties and quita a few of the tracks fitted the bill > perfectly. > > "Luke Ferrari's Presque Rien Number 3 (New Breed) is > also electronic and I would guess it's from the > sixties as well. It's a long, extrememly abstract > piece recorded on a variety of machines. I tend to > favour more minimal tracks because I like to try to > play as many different records as possible at the same > time. That way you'll never hear the same sound twice. > > "Another superb record is Earth's Earth (Sub Pop). > It's the slowest grind imaginable on guitars. You > couldn't call it rock music. I slow it down even more > because it works as a great backdrop to bring other > minimal sounds into the mix. It's an incredibly solid > piece of music, as is Phill Niblock's Held Tones > (Blast First / A Young Person's Guide to Phill > Niblock), which is really just a series of drones. > Phill Niblock is a drone specialist and there's a cut > on this release which features nothing but trombones. > It's very haunting and atmospheric, and another ideal > backdrop. > > "I actually helped to produce The King Mother by > Furious Pig which came out on Rough Trade during the > early eighties. It's all vocals, with some very cool , > very distorted noises. Apart from my involvement, part > of the reason I like this track is the way it's so > highly arranged. It's not exactly acapella, it's far > too violent for that. Metabolist's King Quack (Dromm) > is along roughly the same sort of lines. I'd say it > was like This Heat, but even stranger." > > Has anyone heard/heard of Metabolist or Furious Pig? > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:00:36 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Craigness John, << Man Whose Head Expanded definitely had a different keyboard. << It was a Casio VL1 - the little toy keyboard also used on Trio's Da Da Da.... fantastic little iunstrument - I have one, and it has so many features. The Fall used the 'Rock 2' drum pattern and the piano and violin sounds. Craig played it live, and switched to guitar half way through the song. The studio version has another keyboard dubbed over, but you can still hear the Casiotone... >>I'm still not convinvced that Brix had a lot to do with PBL (if that was the original thread!). She most definitely made a big impression on WAFWOTFall - which incidentally I rate as one of their best. Certainly the best Brix album. >> She joined as it was being recorded. Certainly had very little to do with the album, and as far as I know is hardly on it at all. The first real Brix-era recordings were C.R.E.E.P, Oh Brother etc.... > I thought the band was faultless up to PBL.....after that the quality becomes > more erratic... I couldn't agree more. best post-Lard albums imo are WAFWOTFall, Infotainment, Middle Class Revolt and Extricate.<< With you on extricate, but I'd go for 'This Nation's Saving Grace' over WAFWOTF (just) and Shift-Work over MCR any day... >>Good MES namechecking line; 'He couldn't tell Lou Reed from Doug Yule' (Shoulder Pads).<< how about "and I feel like Alan Minter"...from 'Fit & working again' Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:34:28 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: colin newman/immersion playing in new york city this week.... i just read in the papaer that colin and malka are are playing a set at the knitting factory in nyc this thursday (august 24)..alex paterson of the orb will be there too...anybody going to this? im glad i found out before the show.. michael. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:08:05 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: colin newman/immersion playing in new york city this week.... In a message dated 8/24/0 9:44:13 AM, Rain19c@aol.com writes: >i just read in the papaer that colin and malka are are playing a set at >the >knitting factory in nyc this thursday (august 24)..alex paterson of the >orb >will be there too...anybody going to this? i wish :o( unfortunately for me, august is a low cashflow month. so, unless i stumble upon andrew jackson somewhere on the street today... - -paul (who took president jackson to see godspeed you black emporer last thurday) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:13:10 -0400 From: Max Schmid Subject: Knitting Factory Tonight and Tomorrow Are there no more New Yorkers on this list? I haven't seen a word about the shows tonight and tomorrow at the Knitting Factory with Colin & Malka with The Orb aka Dr. Alex Paterson. So here is a reminder from the WMO newsletter. IMMERSION IN NYC Immersion/C+M plus Alex Patterson/The Orb @ the Knitting Factory NYC 24th & 25th August 2000. C+M will be playing a combination of Immersion & "live" style material as a full a/v show. Knitting Factory phone number: 212-219-3006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:34:45 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: colin newman/immersion playing in new york city this week.... I wish I lived in NYC. If I did, I'd find a way to go. It's several hours' drive from here, and I'm packing boxes tonight for my move 3 weeks from now! I expect a full review ASAP from anyone checking it out!!! ;-) kath - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:08 AM Subject: Re: colin newman/immersion playing in new york city this week.... > > In a message dated 8/24/0 9:44:13 AM, Rain19c@aol.com writes: > > >i just read in the papaer that colin and malka are are playing a set at > >the > >knitting factory in nyc this thursday (august 24)..alex paterson of the > >orb > >will be there too...anybody going to this? > > i wish :o( unfortunately for me, august is a low cashflow month. so, unless > i stumble upon andrew jackson somewhere on the street today... > > -paul (who took president jackson to see godspeed you black emporer last > thurday) > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:27:57 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: Craigness > >It was a Casio VL1 - the little toy keyboard also used on Trio's Da Da >Da.... >fantastic little iunstrument - The american band (Californian?) Cake use the Casio VL1 on their song "The Distance". It cuts right through. I never thought about it before, but i suppose in a left-handed way Cake is influenced by the Fall. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:36:52 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: cakeness - Re: Craigness In a message dated 8/24/0 2:29:34 PM, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: > >The american band (Californian?) Cake use the Casio VL1 on their song "The > >Distance". It cuts right through. I never thought about it before, but >i >suppose in a left-handed way Cake is influenced by the Fall. i always thought of a certain ratio too. the way the trumpet and rhythm section sound together remind me a lot of some acr stuff. - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:53:36 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: Pinkflag.com >> Being the paranoid person I am, I'm worried about not getting the >> "It's All In The Brochure" CD I ordered 20 days ago. For those of >> you who have ordered from them, how long did it take you to get your >> stuff? > >Took about that time to get mine. Send em an email. It worked for me.> I got mine relatively quickly. I faxed them my credit card and order info - which was a big deal for me since I live in Seattle. (Figuring out U.S. to U.K. dialing codes always makes me nervous) They shipped it via Royal Mail, I believe, so the transit time was the longest part of the order process. It took a couple of weeks from what I remember, but it didn't seem like an overlong process. >> >> And where's the Albini session? :) Good question. Anyone heard anything more about this? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:05:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: Pinkflag.com Excerpts from mail: 24-Aug-100 Re: Pinkflag.com by Paul Pietromonaco@wrq.co > >> And where's the Albini session? :) > > Good question. Anyone heard anything more about this? I don't have any current information, but the last I heard was that there was some time between when the tracks were recorded (early May) and when Mr Albini sent the finished versions to Wire (say, late July or early August). So presumably Wire would need some time to listen to the tracks and decide what to do. If anything happens, I'd expect it to be another pinkflag.com "item". (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "I've been known to dabble." -007 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:07:41 +0100 From: "Tim Maher" Subject: Re: A Bag of Boiling Bees The Furious Pig 12" was called "I Don't Like Your Face". No instruments, just vocals. Each of the band members sounds like they are singing different songs, all at the same time. I actually same them supporting the Au-Pairs in London (1981 I think). Again mainly vocals, but with some instrumentation. The drumkit consisted of empty fire extinguishers, biscuit tins, plastic containers,etc. As previously stated they were certainly a one trick pony to be sure. Tim Maher - ---------- > From: John Roberts > To: Graeme Rowland > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: A Bag of Boiling Bees > Date: 24 August 2000 12:11 > > Stuart who used to hang around on this list has the Furious Pig record. > Its very similar to dada or Lettrist sound poetry (extra semantic vocal > arts or whatever you want to call it). > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:06:58 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: apology well i was trying hard to be a good boy and do this from home not work , sadly i've had big problems with a shitty service provider and a lot of my mails don't seem to have been posted (control your grief). so i've just logged back on from work for one day before i go off for a fortnight on holiday. apparently the clowns in questions (ic24) have a huge backlog of mails trapped in their servers , i guess at some point they're all gonna splurge out and you'll get stacks of my wittering that's well old. apologies in advance if this happens. i'm gonna forward on a couple of recent posts now anyway. p ps another copy of "not about to die" is up on ebay now.......... ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #261 *******************************