From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #260 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, August 24 2000 Volume 03 : Number 260 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #259 [Anthony Clough ] Vacation ["giluz" ] Cocteau Twins ["giluz" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #259 [Joshua ] Re: Fw: Craigness [MarkBursa@aol.com] A Bag of Boiling Bees [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] Re: A Bag of Boiling Bees [Aaron Mandel ] Godspeed You Mount Hanley [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #259 > > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:56:38 +0100 > From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk > Subject: Way Off Topic - Sorry > > I would seriously recommend the CD by A Silver Mt. Zion - He Has Left Us . > . . It's very similar to Low or Sigur Ros lots of bass and violins, a > little vocals. The band consists of members of Godspeed You Black Emperor! > (Anyone know much about these?) Yes - I'd recommend both these bands. Godspeed are Canadian and apart from just liking how the stuff sounds in itself I picked up on a similar spirit to a lot of the "krautrock" I love from the early 70's. I was pleased to find out that they live/work as a kind of collective and have a very similar ethic to that which prevailed in the late 60's/early 70's although I don't know that they are influenced by this music. I was just moved to think that similar ideas produce silimar sounding results. There's a bit too much doom and gloom for me though but their earnestness seemed sincere and touching rather than eliciting a more cynical reaction. > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:07:42 -0700 > From: Jason Borchers > Subject: Pinkflag.com > > Being the paranoid person I am, I'm worried about not getting the > "It's All In The Brochure" CD I ordered 20 days ago. For those of > you who have ordered from them, how long did it take you to get your > stuff? > > And where's the Albini session? :) > - -- Mine came pretty quick as I recall. And yes, where's the Albini session ? Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:32:43 +1000 From: "Alex Wise" Subject: Fw: Craigness - ----- Original Message ----- From: "rabwin" To: "IdealCopy" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 6:21 AM Subject: Fw: Craigness > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rabwin > To: ; ; > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 7:23 PM > Subject: Re: Craigness > > > > > > > > > > Hanley and Scanlon joined for Dragnet Neither are on Witch Trials, on > > which > > > Martin Bramah plays guitar and bass. Lard joined about that time as > > bassist, > > > then switched to guitar. > > > > /////// i thought lard was the bassist on witch trials , simple as that. Marc Riley aka Lard was the bassist on Witch Trials,simple as that..Never heard of Bramah playing bass of any kind.Riley picked up guitar after Bramah left and Hanley joining on bass before Dragnet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:12:32 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: Vacation Just wanted to say that I'll be on vacation in the Netherlands till the beginning of September, so now's the time when you can write anything you want without my wiseguy replies. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:31:45 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: Cocteau Twins I'm not much of a CT expert - I mean I liked them when they started and later lost interest, but I already recommended Garlands and Treasure which are a must, and, of course, the 1st This Mortal Coil LP, but you probably have that already. Some other people on the list know much more about CT than me. cheers, giluz > > Hey, Have a good time!!! I need another Cocteau Twins > recommendation before > you go. > > Chris. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:29:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #259 On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, idealcopy-digest wrote: > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:56:38 +0100 > From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk > Subject: Way Off Topic - Sorry > > I would seriously recommend the CD by A Silver Mt. Zion - He Has Left Us . > . . It's very similar to Low or Sigur Ros lots of bass and violins, a > little vocals. The band consists of members of Godspeed You Black Emperor! > (Anyone know much about these?). Only that they're Canadian and have several recordings done in Providence, where I saw them play, oh, about a year ago. They seriously, seriously kick butt. For anyone unfamiliar with them, they are essentially a mutated Classical quartet. Cello, viola, drum kit, noise guitar, film, interviews, and other weird and truly engaging shit. They're really tight, too. Weird rhythms. - -Joshua ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:20:46 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Craigness Alex, << Marc Riley aka Lard was the bassist on Witch Trials,simple as that..Never heard of Bramah playing bass of any kind.Riley picked up guitar after Bramah left and Hanley joining on bass before Dragnet. >> The Fall were "between bassists" on the first Peel session so Bramah played both guitar and bass. That was where I was getting confused.....but Bramah did, indeed, play a bass of some kind! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:23:34 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: A Bag of Boiling Bees Bruce Gilbert spoke about some of the discs he sculpted with in the early Disobey days. He was asked what was in his record bag. "My first choice would be Bernard Parmegiani's De Natura Sonorum (INA/GRM) which was recorded in 1975. It sounds rather academic and not especially ambient, but is very slow and textural, working in shifts. There's a great compilation of academic stuff called Electronic Panorama (Philips), a record I had to borrow from a friend when I was first asked to DJ at Disobey because I didn't really have enough stuff to play in a set back then. The album dates from the sixties and quita a few of the tracks fitted the bill perfectly. "Luke Ferrari's Presque Rien Number 3 (New Breed) is also electronic and I would guess it's from the sixties as well. It's a long, extrememly abstract piece recorded on a variety of machines. I tend to favour more minimal tracks because I like to try to play as many different records as possible at the same time. That way you'll never hear the same sound twice. "Another superb record is Earth's Earth (Sub Pop). It's the slowest grind imaginable on guitars. You couldn't call it rock music. I slow it down even more because it works as a great backdrop to bring other minimal sounds into the mix. It's an incredibly solid piece of music, as is Phill Niblock's Held Tones (Blast First / A Young Person's Guide to Phill Niblock), which is really just a series of drones. Phill Niblock is a drone specialist and there's a cut on this release which features nothing but trombones. It's very haunting and atmospheric, and another ideal backdrop. "I actually helped to produce The King Mother by Furious Pig which came out on Rough Trade during the early eighties. It's all vocals, with some very cool , very distorted noises. Apart from my involvement, part of the reason I like this track is the way it's so highly arranged. It's not exactly acapella, it's far too violent for that. Metabolist's King Quack (Dromm) is along roughly the same sort of lines. I'd say it was like This Heat, but even stranger." Has anyone heard/heard of Metabolist or Furious Pig? ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:33:22 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: A Bag of Boiling Bees > Has anyone heard/heard of Metabolist or Furious Pig? > ////// furious pig had a track on the nme c79 (?) cassette. frantic percussion and shouty accapella vocals. never liked it at the time. needless to say the nme couldn't resist putting an interview alongside one with pigbag to get in some porcine puns.p (ps that tape is worth it just for the original "parallel lines" by the subway sect) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:03:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: A Bag of Boiling Bees On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, [iso-8859-1] Graeme Rowland wrote: > Has anyone heard/heard of Metabolist or Furious Pig? I've heard a 12" by Furious Pig. It was not as interesting as I'd hoped, but it wasn't bad. The a cappella version of "Forward To Death" that nomeansno did for that Dead Kennedys tribute was a lot more exciting. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:32:32 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: Godspeed You Mount Hanley S.'Welcome Back' Hanley interview was on Perfect Sound Forever webzine http://www.furious.com/perfect/toc.html but might have been removed, at least it doesn't seem to be accessible from their interview archive - Tommy Crooks was also interviewed Levitate era. maybe if you e-mail them they'll tell you if it's still there? Perfect Sound Forever is worth checking out anyway - there's Holger Czukay's commentary on Can records, the story of Public Image Ltd's NY Riot gig, and an interview with some bloke called Colin Newman... Godspeed and Silver Mt Zion are great - if you like them you'll probably also like Fly Pan Am, another Canadian band who've put out an album on the Constellation label - more stripped down minimal than Godspeed they play emotive repetitive rhythmic instrumental rock. One of them plays guitar in Godspeed too. For lots of Godspeed info check this site http://www.brainwashed.com/godspeed/ GSYBE live mp3's - http://www.cs.unm.edu/~wneumann/gybe_mp3.html Fifth (as yet unreleased) track from Paris gig is esp. good. As far as the Fall go, everything up to Bend Sinister is flawless for me. Have heard them live so many times I've lost count (Southampton, London, Liverpool, Manchester) - second band I ever went to see (after New Order). Marshal Suite was their patchiest album even though Antidotes and Shake Off were great powerful numbers. I think the absence of Hanley isn't likely to be made up. Guitar player on MS is way less individual than Scanlon or Brix, although the Marshal line up now appears to be history. I don't think it's fair to blame Brix for 'sweetening' the Fall - they just did pop every now and then, they could handle it, no really they could.... Thunk! Another mess of your nervous system New on my stereo this week (like you really needed to know) Shellac - 1000 Hurts (they'll never top Action Park but the kings of math rock have a mess of zeros behind them, a Slint homage and a prayer for painful death - vinyl has free Cd included so you can hear just how Albini's guitar sound is totally tonally castrated by digital mastering) Lee Ranaldo/Christian Marclay/William Hooker - Bouquet Live @ the Knitting Factory (three way gtr/turntable/drum improv thing that has its moments but really isn't a patch on Marclay's more composed studio releases - throws Ranaldo by dropping some Sonic Youth into the mix, which is quite funny - nice to see a Christian Marclay CD actually get released!) Steven Wray Lobdell - Automatic Writing by the Moon (current Faust guitarist doing a pleasant instrumental guitar thing - less abrasive than Faust - might appeal to Godspeed fans) And now a tenuous Wire connection - After a few listens I spotted a familiar riff whirring away from an equally familiar (unconscious?) lift of 'I wanna be your dog' on Magnog's 'Tear Catching Current' (from 'More Weather' / Kranky) - surely it's the Drill I hear! Are you level? Fibreglass Messiah ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:30:47 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: A Bag of Boiling Bees Graeme, << > Has anyone heard/heard of Metabolist or Furious Pig? >> I remember Peel playing Metabloist a lot around 79-80. A bit like Tngerine Dream from what I recall... though the memory is very hazy. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:45:29 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Hanley interview Graeme, The interview is still there - it's in the 'tributes' section not the interviews.... Here's the URL http://www.furious.com/perfect/fall/interview.html This is what Hanley says about Scanlon..... >>PSF: What happened with Craig (Scanlon, long time guitarist who left recently)? STEVE: He just gave up on it. It's happened to loads of people. He was like the main songwriter and he just stopped writing songs and he had enough. I was disappointed but I could see it coming. TOMMY: So did I. That's how I got the job. I saw an album cover and Craig wasn't on it. STEVE: But it wasn't an instant thing. He had loads of chances and we'd been carrying him for a year or so.<< Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:47:42 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: shaking hands with the Muses In a message dated 8/22/0 9:58:06 AM, dmack2002@yahoo.com writes: >> Anyone who has a copy of the Crepuscule compilation tape "From Brussels > >With > >> Love" can relive those heady days when Jobbo was shaking hands with the > >Muses. > >> "Oh Armory Sheow...Oh Armory Sheow." > >Duras - dooooraaah the emcee of emcees :o) this comp was rereleased on cd a while back, but it is also oop :o( great stuff on there-paul haig, the names, and durutti column! - -paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #260 *******************************