From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #257 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, August 21 2000 Volume 03 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Granada TV Punk Video ["giluz" ] Re: Top 10 Lists [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Not Golden Oldies - Silver maybe, but only my hairdresser knows for sure [MarkBursa@a] Re: Dirty Womble Scarecrow Brawl [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Top 10 Lists ["Laurel G" ] Re: Granada TV Punk Video ["rabwin" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:23:14 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: Granada TV Punk Video If anyone remembers, a few weeks ago I mentioned that I once taped a collection of old Granada TV punk gigs filmed in manchester in 1976-1977. I finally found the tape and watched about half of it (I don't think it was more than 1 hour long to begin with). So - we had the Pistols, Buzzcocks, Siouxsie, the Clash and a few more acts which I didn't recognise. What struck me was that the music and the performances themselves look and sound much more innocent than any average highschool band of today that respects itself. The only performance that looked a bit threatening was Strummer and the lads with Capital Radio. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:41:04 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists Joseph, It misses a few really good ones... "Ted Rogers' brain...burn in hell" from Joker Hysterical Face "You Gretchen Franklin, nosey matron thing" from Telephone Thing "Under marble Millichip the FA snores" from Kicker Conspiracy All of which are better than the Bono and Pearl Jam ones...and incomprehensible outside a UK audience! I also like the bit where one of the lads-ah goes 'oh my god' after the Arthur Askey one... Mark << It contains dozens of odd top 10 lists folks have sent in and includes the following: Top Ten Namechecks in Fall songs (Graham Coleman from London, England) 1. Winston Churchill had a speech imp-p-p-ediment! (Tempo House) 2. I can't continue this - Arthur Askey's just been shot! (C n Cs Hassle Schmuk) 3. We have Richard and Judy's bastard offspring (North West Fashion Show) 4. You listen to Pearl Jam in your room (Hey Student) 5. I hate the guts of Shakin' Stevens (Ludd Gang) 6. Hips like Shirley Temple, she's the littlest rebel (Littlest Rebel) 7. In LA, a drunk is sick on Gene Vincent's star (New Puritan) 8. Queen Victoria is a large black slug in Piccadilly, Manchester (City Hobgoblins) 9. If I ever end up like Bono, slit my throat with a kitchen knife (Passable) 10. You're sleeping with some hippy halfwit who thinks he's Mr. Mark Smith (Reckoning) I don't know much about the Fall, but I do know that the stuff here is funny. ~joseph >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:43:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Not Golden Oldies - Silver maybe, but only my hairdresser knows for sure Laurel, << Oh sweetie, don't bet on that one!! - maybe not in spirit *L - but that 24th Buzzcocks anniversary was also the 24th anniversary of my 18th birthday - if you don't mind though, I'll take the compliment and run >> OK you got me there ;-) Mark (who ceases being 30-something in about nine weeks......) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:54:03 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Dirty Womble Scarecrow Brawl Graeme, << Julia Nagle had quite a lot of input on the last couple of Fall albums, certainly a lot more than Riley or Scanlon. Agreed their input was important, but they both got the shove sometime ago so any changes in their absence would've certainly emerged earlier than the gig last weekend! << I meant overall, in the development of what constitutes the sound of the Fall. To me, any line-up without Hanley and Scanlon is not quite right. >>Read an interview with Stephen Hanley (before he walked out) in which he mentioned that Craig was chucked out of the Fall because he hadn't been coming up with any ideas for quite a while. Another rumour was that the Fall had a gig booked overseas at Xmas and Craig wanted to stay home with his family which apparently was not the correct professional attitude expected of musician under the thumb of the Mark that falls.<< I guess people do dry up. But I thought Craig was as essential to the classic Fall sound as, say, Sterling Morrison was to the Velvets. A unique sound. Scanlon was left-handed but played a guitar tuned for a right-handed player - so the strings were upside down. His chords were therefore unlike anything a normal guitarist could play. (recently I noticed that the bass player in the Doves plays the same way. Must be a Manchester thing....) Best Fall line up would be every member ever on stage all at once but they'd probably have to rename the band the Brawl :) >> Hmmm...best line-up is the one on Hex Enduction Hour....encore, Hammersmith Palais, 1981. The Classical and Fantastic Life. Unbeatable. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:17:07 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: Top 10 Lists >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >Joseph, > >It misses a few really good ones... > well, I was looking at the one that's, I think, places to live or something - - they completely missed Wanker's Corner - I believe it's in Nevada - not that I would have anything to do there, but I know some people...... what do you suppose THEIR town song would be? Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:25:54 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: Granada TV Punk Video > If anyone remembers, a few weeks ago I mentioned that I once taped a > collection of old Granada TV punk gigs filmed in manchester in 1976-1977. I > finally found the tape and watched about half of it (I don't think it was > more than 1 hour long to begin with). So - we had the Pistols, Buzzcocks, > Siouxsie, the Clash and a few more acts which I didn't recognise. > > What struck me was that the music and the performances themselves look and > sound much more innocent than any average highschool band of today that > respects itself. The only performance that looked a bit threatening was > Strummer and the lads with Capital Radio. > > giluz ////// you know wire appeared on "so it goes" (where all that stuff came from) , but they missed the cut for the "best of" show. they did "reuters". i love the innocence of those clips ; remember nobody was there to tell you what to where and you had to make it up yourself........ p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #257 *******************************