From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #256 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, August 20 2000 Volume 03 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: My Big Mouth ["rabwin" ] Re: My Big Mouth ["rabwin" ] Re: Dirty Womble Scarecrow Brawl ["rabwin" ] Re: My Big Mouth ["Stephen Jackson" ] My WMO Top 5 [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:34:45 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth > >///// me too. i saw adamson playing on pete shelley's XL1 tour and i saw > >mcgeogh and doyle in the (ahem) armoury show. > > Geez, they were bad. Except "Castles in Spain".... > > Steve. >>>>> yes , that was by far their highlight. the live show was just so dull , no spark at all.p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:37:16 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth > Paul, > > << //// me too. i saw adamson playing on pete shelley's XL1 tour and i saw > mcgeogh and doyle in the (ahem) armoury show. which i know i cannot remotely > pass by you as a claim to having sort of seen magazine. if howie gets it > together we all ought to meet up there.p > >> > > Well, I saw Adamson with the Bad Seeds (and the Birthday Party, standing in > when Tracy Pew was in the slammer) and McGeogh with the Banshees. You've got > one on me with the Armoury Show though! Did Jobbo read some of his poems? > > Definitely count me in for a meet-up. > > Mark >>>>>> thankfully it was a poetry-free zone. it was almost like they were trying to be an artier version of big country. which is a really silly idea , as their sales showed.p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:41:29 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: Dirty Womble Scarecrow Brawl > New songs played last weekend were passable but not a > patch on anything old, not even up to 'You Know You > Can't Help It' standard. ////// you know you're not sweetening this one very much for us graeme.......... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:50:42 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth >>>>>>> thankfully it was a poetry-free zone. it was almost like they were >trying to be an artier version of big country That's exactly how they sounded. It was Russell Webb and Richard Jobson right, who were both in the Skids with Big Country (imagine having to do that one in a game of charards) leader Stuart Adamson... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:12:07 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: My WMO Top 5 Since WMO is the only label to release more than a couple of discs that I have every release on (oh, except for Origin), and because they are now winding down operations, I thought I'd send in my WMO recommendations for any who are curious. This annotated list is roughly in order of how frequently I've played the WMO discs. 1. Wire - Coatings* Get this one while you can, it'll only be available on mail order after October! It's worth it for the brilliant Peel session alone. The bit where Robert (accidentally?) slows the drumbeat on 'Drill' is one of my favourite Wire moments, perversely enough... and that version of 'German Shepherds' is the definitive one. The bonus disc with 18 minutes of 'Ambitious' is not just a tedious extended version but a quite radical and vastly improved version... the bit near the end where Graham bombastically bellows 'Aaaaambishusss!!!' nearly cracks me up every time. But not always. 2. Bruce Gilbert - The Haring* Totally hilarious in parts, deadly serious in others, often evocative and sometimes seemingly quite throwaway, The Haring just keeps getting better with every listen. New fragments emerge and irritate or more often fascinate. Its not really spoken word as it is usually presented but more atmospheric noise (thunder!!!) and city/pub/radio ambiences mixing with Bruce's many different voices and recording techniques. Also sounds brilliant played at the same time as 'Soli' from 'In Esse' for those who like to keep bees to practise with at home. Nice box it lives in! Room for Scala single with BC remix + Newman Passage comp. or both pink flag discs... or even The Haring 2 if that ever emerges! How many shuttered apses per jihad? 3. Dome - Yclept. Considering it was compiled from various sources over 16 years, Yclept is a very consistent listen. It sounds like a natural progression from Dome IV Will You Speak This Word. With the exception of the two versions of the album's one catchy songy song Because We Must, which has beats that place it firmly in the late eighties, it sounds thoroughly up to date and of course unique. Maybe this is the most long awaited album ever released? Maybe it just took the world that long to catch up with Dome! "Some of [the tracks] are historic things that never came out for various reasons," explained Graham, "People didn't like them or they weren't intended to be used or they were just stored away. Three of the things I just played and fiddled about, put it down on disc and sent it to Bruce and he worked on it from there. It was about having an open mind and complete trust. Because of all the things that have been going on I hadn't really had a chance to listen to it until we came back from America and I was so happily surprised. I thought it was really good. I hadn't had a chance to view it outside of the process [of making it]." I told him and Bruce that I thoght it sounded like a logical descendent of the fourth Dome album. "That's what I was so happy about! It's like a descendent. We'd talked about doing something in the past but it's like, where do you start?" "You've got to find a system," clarified Bruce. "We have to find a process that's not like one we've done before because we don't want to repeat ourselves. It's got to be engaging enough that we can suspend our own belief. We've got to be able to fool ourselves." 4. Lewis/Gilbert/Mills - Pacific/Specific (In a Different Place)* This has nearly sold out? This Dome Peel session and MZUI Australian radio mix are well worth hearing. Yes they are... no! yes? no. yes... yeeeess!!! NO! Yes!! No? YES. And attempts to repeat did not end foolishly. 5. Gilbertpossstenger - Manchesterlondon. Two long dronescapes, which like the Dome album were originally slated for release on Blast First. This would perhaps be higher up this list if I'd had more time to listen to it but as it is I've played it to death - and the Grim Reaper loved it! Maybe that's why David Keenan slagged it in the Wire and threw a goth label at it (it didn't stick) and advised them to 'bone up' by listening to Harry Pussy, whose chaotic guitar noise assaults actually have more in common with Bruce's Soli sonically speaking. He also described Band of Susans as hardcore also rans which just goes to show that he's probably never heard a BoS record. When did they ever play hardcore? Anyway if you come at this without expecting it to be something that it isn't then you may well appreciate it as the magnificent big block of shifting drone sculpting which it is. Gets the drone bones thrumming! Longer reviews of the discs marked * can be found appending the Bruce Gilbert and Colin Newman interviews on the CM website http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Reviews of the others will be added eventually... Finally completed transcription of Wire Garage interview, so I'll post it on Cracked Machine next time I update it. Haring and Sharing, Flaring and Blaring, Fibreglass Messiah (who didn't overly care for 'Dome 1' except for 'Cruel When Complete' on the first listen but stuck with it) ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:14:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Silber Subject: Top 10 Lists I found this page while poking around a Belle and Sebastian site and listening to my new CD of Bell Is A Cup: http://www.myspace.co.uk/belleandsebastian/top10.html It contains dozens of odd top 10 lists folks have sent in and includes the following: Top Ten Namechecks in Fall songs (Graham Coleman from London, England) 1. Winston Churchill had a speech imp-p-p-ediment! (Tempo House) 2. I can't continue this - Arthur Askey's just been shot! (C n Cs Hassle Schmuk) 3. We have Richard and Judy's bastard offspring (North West Fashion Show) 4. You listen to Pearl Jam in your room (Hey Student) 5. I hate the guts of Shakin' Stevens (Ludd Gang) 6. Hips like Shirley Temple, she's the littlest rebel (Littlest Rebel) 7. In LA, a drunk is sick on Gene Vincent's star (New Puritan) 8. Queen Victoria is a large black slug in Piccadilly, Manchester (City Hobgoblins) 9. If I ever end up like Bono, slit my throat with a kitchen knife (Passable) 10. You're sleeping with some hippy halfwit who thinks he's Mr. Mark Smith (Reckoning) I don't know much about the Fall, but I do know that the stuff here is funny. ~joseph =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- <> sagt Joe. <>, sagt ich. <> malachimulligan@excite.com _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #256 *******************************