From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #255 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, August 19 2000 Volume 03 : Number 255 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 [Anthony Clough ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 [Anthony Clough ] Re: My Big Mouth ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: My Big Mouth ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 ["rabwin" ] Re: My Big Mouth ["rabwin" ] Re: My Big Mouth ["rabwin" ] Re: The Raven/154 - was Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies ["rabwin" ] RE: Blur in America: Song 2 ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: My Big Mouth ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: My Big Mouth ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: My Big Mouth [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: My Big Mouth [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Blur in America: Song 2 [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: My Big Mouth [MarkBursa@aol.com] Dirty Womble Scarecrow Brawl [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 > > > > > the only time I ever saw ATV was in the 80s. I think Karl Blake was in the > > band at the time. Very noisy - quite unlike the early stuff... > > > > Mark > > /////// that was a funny combination ; i thought the records worked quite > well but they never did many gigs. i think mark thought it was too punky and > went back to softer stuff.p You're both right. Blake was a member of ATV during the 80's and after one gig Perry was reported to have come of stage fuming "you know what was wrong with that" after a particuarly heavy guitar performance from Mr Blake. (You may recall Perry was briefly in the Lemon Kittens.) Perry's stuff since has moved between ballady stuff, for which I don't think he has a great talent and things like the fifteen minute Throbbing Gristle medley which turned up on one album. I've bought each of these albums and ultimately been disappointed with all of them but there's good stuff on each and they seem to be getting better. There's a recnt best of ATV and Perry on Cherry Red which gives a reasonable selection and has an informative sleeve note. Just remembered, the third friend at the piano throwing incident I mentioned recently was Dave Morgan who became ATV's drummer in a couple of incarnations. Also, Holger Czukay has an even newer album than "Good Morning Story", "La Luna" - one long track recorded "live" in his studio and somewhat akin to his first solo release "Canaxis". Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:02:19 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 Tony, << Just remembered, the third friend at the piano throwing incident I mentioned recently was Dave Morgan who became ATV's drummer in a couple of incarnations. >> Is that the Dave Morgan who was in the Loft and the Weather Prophets? A fine drummer.....very much in the RG mould. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:08:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: My Big Mouth Paul, << ///// you know a couple of years ago i'd have probably backed you up , i've only really got into magazine in the last couple of years. nothing is as instant as buzzcocks (almost the classic "perfect pop" band) but once it's under your skin....... the first 3 magazine albums are all well worth trying , not 100% perfect but a few real classics on each. >> I'd say Secondhand Daylight was pretty close to perfect....CUOS is more like a compilation of singles - it doesn't have that bleak mood throughout. But equally every track is good. And despite Dave Formula's at times excessive ARP Odyssey noodling they don't date. One of my big regrets is that I never saw Magazine live - the nearest I got was HD's solo tour in 83 at the Hacienda - Magazine in all but name, with Formula on keys, Robin Simon on guitar. About half the set was Magazine oldies. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:12:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Hating Summer Paul, << >>> maybe mark can make it a 3-way row by sticking up for stevie d. i mean somebody has to....... >> Well I was being tonge-in-cheek...... I don't mind Stevie D that much - the odd rocker is OK on the early records, and the fact that the Buzzcocks exist today is largely down to him. His new stuff is pretty hopeless... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:48:55 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: first time There was a 12" and an album on Chapter 22 records sometime after this also. The 12" is particularly recommended. (By me anyway.) I saw em a couple of years ago - their first ever gig in leicester - they played to about 30 people. I shouted out for a track off of the Chapter 22 ep and MP went 'fuckin' 'ell you're the one who bought it'. I went up to him at the end of the gig and shook his hand - but I hate the idea of talking to my heroes so I left it at that. John Roberts On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, rabwin wrote: > > > > > > > the only time I ever saw ATV was in the 80s. I think Karl Blake was in the > > band at the time. Very noisy - quite unlike the early stuff... > > > > Mark > > /////// that was a funny combination ; i thought the records worked quite > well but they never did many gigs. i think mark thought it was too punky and > went back to softer stuff.p > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:03:31 +0100 () From: Anthony Clough Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 Yes - Thats right. He was a great drummer - much more versatile than what he's mainly known for (solid rock drumming) suggests. For a while he was in demand sitting in with various people at various times (eg Primal Scream). Sadly I haven't heard from him for years - I last spotted him as a cycle courier when he sped past me nearly ten years ago although at about that time I appeared on an album with him but we weren't in the studio at the same time. Anyone heard of him recently ? Tony. On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Tony, > > << Just remembered, the third friend > at the piano throwing incident I mentioned recently was Dave Morgan who > became ATV's drummer in a couple of incarnations. >> > > Is that the Dave Morgan who was in the Loft and the Weather Prophets? A fine > drummer.....very much in the RG mould. > > Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:12:03 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth >One of my big regrets is that I never saw Magazine live - the nearest I got >was HD's solo tour in 83 at the Hacienda - Magazine in all but name, with >Formula on keys, Robin Simon on guitar. About half the set was Magazine >oldies. > >Mark You know, I'm not being sarcastic - I read this and I had to recheck the date of the show - it just sounded so strange to hear "oldies" - I read "oldies" and figured you saw this much later - it's my own perception I'm sure - I imagine you meant it a bit differently - but to hear that in '83 you considered them oldies, kind of gave me a jolt and made me feel really old Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:32:02 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth >>One of my big regrets is that I never saw Magazine live - the nearest I got >>was HD's solo tour in 83 at the Hacienda - Magazine in all but name, with >>Formula on keys, Robin Simon on guitar. About half the set was Magazine >>oldies. I saw Luxuria way back, featuring HD and Noko (currently in Apollo 440). They played a couple of Magazine songs, The Light Pours Out Of Me, being one, and another which I've forgotten. Incidentally, I consider Secondhand Daylight a flawless album, and The Correct Use of Soap as nearly flawless (Sly Stone covers withstanding) Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. - -----Original Message----- From: Laurel G To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: 18 August 2000 15:15 Subject: Re: My Big Mouth >> >>Mark > >You know, I'm not being sarcastic - I read this and I had to recheck the >date of the show - it just sounded so strange to hear "oldies" - I read >"oldies" and figured you saw this much later - it's my own perception I'm >sure - I imagine you meant it a bit differently - but to hear that in '83 >you considered them oldies, kind of gave me a jolt and made me feel really >old > >Laurel > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:00:53 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth > >Luxuria wasn't too bad, no Magazine, but pretty good. Magazine is a group >that deserves fresh retro attention, like a remastered box set with lyric >book. Agreed. Like Wire, they are often described in hallowed terms by contemporary bands (Toploader and Mansun spring to mind, the latter actually dragging HD out of retirement to scribble some words for them) Some nice remastering would be good. Ditto for XTC whose CD reissues sound shite.... Mmmmmmm John McGeoch's guitar on Give Me Everything.... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. - -----Original Message----- From: george.m.hook@ac.com To: Stephen Jackson Date: 18 August 2000 15:42 Subject: Re: My Big Mouth > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:44:16 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 . There's a recnt best of ATV > and Perry on Cherry Red which gives a reasonable selection and has an > informative sleeve note. >>>>> just buy the reissue of "the image has cracked" which has all the singles as bonus tracks. perfect cd really , a permanent feature in my all-time punk top10.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:47:34 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth > One of my big regrets is that I never saw Magazine live - the nearest I got > was HD's solo tour in 83 at the Hacienda - Magazine in all but name, with > Formula on keys, Robin Simon on guitar. About half the set was Magazine > oldies. > > Mark ///// me too. i saw adamson playing on pete shelley's XL1 tour and i saw mcgeogh and doyle in the (ahem) armoury show. which i know i cannot remotely pass by you as a claim to having sort of seen magazine. if howie gets it together we all ought to meet up there.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:52:46 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth > > I saw Luxuria way back, featuring HD and Noko (currently in Apollo 440). > They played a couple of Magazine songs, The Light Pours Out Of Me, being > one, and another which I've forgotten. > /////// is Noko really in Apollo 440? what does he do? if he's the guitarist who sits in on interviews (with Mary Mary) then you'd never guess. A440 never do it for me really , i was really surprised to see they played on most of the Wolfies "going south" cd after owning it for about 5 years.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:41:02 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: The Raven/154 - was Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies > I hunted high and low for that album in it's original limited edition 3D > cover on the day of release around Leeds, but in the main shops it was sold > out. Last chance saloon was HMV, but I couldn't get in - it was packed out > with people and security because Hank Marvin was in there signing something > or other. Bastard! > The Raven actually came out in the same week as 154. They were reviewed > alongside each other in NME; headline above Wire review; "Artistic" - > headline above Stranglers review; "Schmartistic"; rather unfair. I still > rate The Raven as possibly their best. ////// i rate black & white/the raven as the only stranglers era worth bothering about. first album is good but so derivative , "heroes" is so full of silly macho stuff. but for me b&w was the one they really gelled on , hardly a duff track (i suspect revolver will show the classic tank/yukio performance on vh1 this week...). whereas the raven had a few stormers but also some dross (ice,meninblack etc). after that it all got a bit easy listening.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:20:39 +0100 From: "stephenjohnstone" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 Dave went onto become the drummer of The Rockingbirds, apparantly they sacked him for his drunken antics, I think they have split up now. Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Clough" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 1:03 PM Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 > > Yes - Thats right. He was a great drummer - much more versatile than what > he's mainly known for (solid rock drumming) suggests. For a while he was > in demand sitting in with various people at various times (eg Primal Scream). Sadly > I haven't heard from him for years - I last spotted him as a cycle > courier when he sped past me nearly ten years ago although at about that > time I appeared on an album with him but we weren't in the studio at the > same time. Anyone heard of him recently ? > > Tony. > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > Tony, > > > > << Just remembered, the third friend > > at the piano throwing incident I mentioned recently was Dave Morgan who > > became ATV's drummer in a couple of incarnations. >> > > > > Is that the Dave Morgan who was in the Loft and the Weather Prophets? A fine > > drummer.....very much in the RG mould. > > > > Mark > > > - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.166 / Virus Database: 79 - Release Date: 20/06/00 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:23:52 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: Blur in American: Song 2 Maybe I'm off base here, but I always interpreted the title "Song 2" as a bit of self-deprecation, as in "here it is, generic rock song #2." I wonder which track has gotten more use in movies / commercials / stadiums etc., "Song 2" or "Rockefella Skank"? -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:53:36 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Blur in America: Song 2 Dave Walker wrote: Maybe I'm off base here, but I always interpreted the title "Song 2" as a bit of self-deprecation, as in "here it is, generic rock song #2." I wonder which track has gotten more use in movies / commercials / stadiums etc., "Song 2" or "Rockefella Skank"? ================= I think you're absolutely correct, but for the wrong reason. I think it was Blur's idea put forth Bill Drummond's "How to Make a Hit Record" theories. I do think that they purposely named the song, 'Song 2' as a tongue in cheek reference to the heavy metal disposability of it. And of course, that bit of irony shot straight over the heads of your average heavy metal fan. To them, 'Song 2' simply ROCKZ!!!!!!!!!!!!! and RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:16:46 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth >///// me too. i saw adamson playing on pete shelley's XL1 tour and i saw >mcgeogh and doyle in the (ahem) armoury show. Geez, they were bad. Except "Castles in Spain".... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:18:20 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth >/////// is Noko really in Apollo 440? Yes he is. Apollo 440 are also know as the Stealth Sonic Orchestra, who did remixes for Manic Street Preachers... >what does he do? Dunno. But he was the guitarist in Luxuria Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:38:49 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 Tony, << Yes - Thats right. He was a great drummer - much more versatile than what he's mainly known for (solid rock drumming) suggests. For a while he was in demand sitting in with various people at various times (eg Primal Scream). Sadly I haven't heard from him for years - I last spotted him as a cycle courier when he sped past me nearly ten years ago although at about that time I appeared on an album with him but we weren't in the studio at the same time. Anyone heard of him recently ? >> Last time I saw him he was in the Rockingbirds... about 10 years ago. What album were you on with him? Cheers, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:45:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: My Big Mouth Paul, << //// me too. i saw adamson playing on pete shelley's XL1 tour and i saw mcgeogh and doyle in the (ahem) armoury show. which i know i cannot remotely pass by you as a claim to having sort of seen magazine. if howie gets it together we all ought to meet up there.p >> Well, I saw Adamson with the Bad Seeds (and the Birthday Party, standing in when Tracy Pew was in the slammer) and McGeogh with the Banshees. You've got one on me with the Armoury Show though! Did Jobbo read some of his poems? Definitely count me in for a meet-up. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:49:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: My Big Mouth Stephen, << >what does he do? >> He plays the guitar.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:52:14 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Blur in America: Song 2 Ray, It's Song 2 because it's the second song on the album. It's also exactly 2 minutes long. Ironically it was a number 2 hit. Nobody's made the connection with Song 1...RG's contribution to the 154 EP.... oh, just done it! Now that would be good DJ-ing! Mark << Maybe I'm off base here, but I always interpreted the title "Song 2" as a bit of self-deprecation, as in "here it is, generic rock song #2." I wonder which track has gotten more use in movies / commercials / stadiums etc., "Song 2" or "Rockefella Skank"? ================= I think you're absolutely correct, but for the wrong reason. I think it was Blur's idea put forth Bill Drummond's "How to Make a Hit Record" theories. I do think that they purposely named the song, 'Song 2' as a tongue in cheek reference to the heavy metal disposability of it. And of course, that bit of irony shot straight over the heads of your average heavy metal fan. To them, 'Song 2' simply ROCKZ!!!!!!!!!!!!! and RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:58:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: My Big Mouth Laurel, It was like that in those days - there was so much good stuff being released that anything from more than one album back was like an oldie. I remember seeing the Fallpla Underground Medecin off Witch Trials (released early 79) in November 1980 and it seemed like something prehistoric - as the set was entirely Grotesque/Slates era stuff... Also bands didn't play 'hit shows' like you get now. Wire is an extreme example but most bands looked forwards. Magazine was also dead and gone in 83 so it was nice to hear HD's new band play note-perfect versions.... Nowadays radio stations consider 'Smells like Teen Spirit' an oldie.... Anyway, you're not as old as me!!! ;-) Mark << You know, I'm not being sarcastic - I read this and I had to recheck the date of the show - it just sounded so strange to hear "oldies" - I read "oldies" and figured you saw this much later - it's my own perception I'm sure - I imagine you meant it a bit differently - but to hear that in '83 you considered them oldies, kind of gave me a jolt and made me feel really old >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:22:45 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: Dirty Womble Scarecrow Brawl Laurel & Dan: Heard 'Trade Test Transmissions' by Buzzcocks once and didn't like it. New songs played last weekend were passable but not a patch on anything old, not even up to 'You Know You Can't Help It' standard. They do a good oldies nostalgia turn. Mark: Julia Nagle had quite a lot of input on the last couple of Fall albums, certainly a lot more than Riley or Scanlon. Agreed their input was important, but they both got the shove sometime ago so any changes in their absence would've certainly emerged earlier than the gig last weekend! Read an interview with Stephen Hanley (before he walked out) in which he mentioned that Craig was chucked out of the Fall because he hadn't been coming up with any ideas for quite a while. Another rumour was that the Fall had a gig booked overseas at Xmas and Craig wanted to stay home with his family which apparently was not the correct professional attitude expected of musician under the thumb of the Mark that falls. Best Fall line up would be every member ever on stage all at once but they'd probably have to rename the band the Brawl :) Jeffry with 2F's: Noel Edmonds is a bearded seventies DJ turned eighties TV nonpersonality who was once sent up by a very funny news satire program called 'Brasseye'. They asked him and several other minor bores, including a Liberal MP and professional gut expander Bernard Manning, to do a speech warning of the dangers of a new deadly designer drug called 'Cake' which resembled a giant yellow aspirin! The drug was non-existant but all of them were fooled. Edmonds, whose hobbies include buzzing about pointlessly in helicopters, was not amused and kicked up a fuss, so on the next 'Brasseye' they did a news flash send up in which terrorists had stormed his house and taken him hostage. Altogether now: Saw a womble scarecrow on the way to the Dirty 3 gig! Modeled after Orinoco I think... I'd recommend them to anyone as a great gig - one where you can lose yourself. Emotive instrumentals on violin, guitar and drums would be one fairly inadequate description. Their records don't do them justice. Ragged violinist Warren Ellis introduces each number with an amusing monologue about the song... one such involved the all too common situation of being annoyed by a relative whilst chopping tomatoes and bursting in on the relative with the knife with the intention of killing them but then realising that you're wearing tracksuit bottoms so you can't go through with it because you're not dressed for the occasion. Obviously he told it funnier. He also mentioned the mullet... Anyone going to see them later in the tour ought to get there early as Conway Savage (piano in Nick Cave's Bad Seeds) did a solo spot. I missed it but was reliably informed that it was good. Unfortunately you'll have to suffer the other support, a very serious skinny man with an acoustic guitar and some of the worst lyrics ever written. Wire connection - Susan Stenger, who has played guitar with Wire, has played with Warren Ellis in Nick Cave's band. (A lot) more Wire next post... Keep Womblin' Along! Fibre Mass ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:58:05 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Not Golden Oldies - Silver maybe, but only my hairdresser knows for sure Mark said: > >Laurel, > >It was like that in those days - there was so much good stuff being >released >that anything from more than one album back was like an oldie. I remember >seeing the Fallpla Underground Medecin off Witch Trials (released early 79) >in November 1980 and it seemed like something prehistoric - as the set was >entirely Grotesque/Slates era stuff... > >Also bands didn't play 'hit shows' like you get now. Wire is an extreme >example but most bands looked forwards. Magazine was also dead and gone in >83 >so it was nice to hear HD's new band play note-perfect versions.... > >Nowadays radio stations consider 'Smells like Teen Spirit' an oldie.... I did understand what you were saying - and it isn't even just that the music was changing so rapidly - the bands themselves, the lineups, the here today gone tomorrow aspect of so many endeavors - so I did imagine that this is what you were talking about, even though I was still stuck on the "oldies" thing - and was thinking pretty much what you said about Magazine being gone by then - I guess it's just that "oldies" can be a relative term - - NOW it really IS oldies, in the sense of say, oldies radio stations - then it was oldies in terms of how you were saying it - took me a few minutes to make the conversion > >Anyway, you're not as old as me!!! ;-) Oh sweetie, don't bet on that one!! - maybe not in spirit *L - but that 24th Buzzcocks anniversary was also the 24th anniversary of my 18th birthday - if you don't mind though, I'll take the compliment and run Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:31:45 -0500 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Dirty Womble Scarecrow Brawl Fair enough, I'm sure, but while I of course can't speak for you, if I judged albums as good or not based on only one listening, I'd have lots more space in my house & money in my wallet, because quite likely I wouldn't own any music to speak of -- Wire's entire oeuvre included. Dan > >Laurel & Dan: >Heard 'Trade Test Transmissions' by Buzzcocks once and >didn't like it. >New songs played last weekend were passable but not a >patch on anything old, not even up to 'You Know You >Can't Help It' standard. They do a good oldies >nostalgia turn. > >Mark: >Julia Nagle had quite a lot of input on the last >couple of Fall albums, certainly a lot more than Riley >or Scanlon. Agreed their input was important, but they >both got the shove sometime ago so any changes in >their absence would've certainly emerged earlier than >the gig last weekend! Read an interview with Stephen >Hanley (before he walked out) in which he mentioned >that Craig was chucked out of the Fall because he >hadn't been coming up with any ideas for quite a >while. Another rumour was that the Fall had a gig >booked overseas at Xmas and Craig wanted to stay home >with his family which apparently was not the correct >professional attitude expected of musician under the >thumb of the Mark that falls. > >Best Fall line up would be every member ever on stage >all at once but they'd probably have to rename the >band the Brawl :) > >Jeffry with 2F's: >Noel Edmonds is a bearded seventies DJ turned eighties >TV nonpersonality who was once sent up by a very funny >news satire program called 'Brasseye'. They asked him >and several other minor bores, including a Liberal MP >and professional gut expander Bernard Manning, to do a >speech warning of the dangers of a new deadly designer >drug called 'Cake' which resembled a giant yellow >aspirin! The drug was non-existant but all of them >were fooled. Edmonds, whose hobbies include buzzing >about pointlessly in helicopters, was not amused and >kicked up a fuss, so on the next 'Brasseye' they did a >news flash send up in which terrorists had stormed his >house and taken him hostage. > >Altogether now: >Saw a womble scarecrow on the way to the Dirty 3 gig! >Modeled after Orinoco I think... > >I'd recommend them to anyone as a great gig - one >where you can lose yourself. Emotive instrumentals on >violin, guitar and drums would be one fairly >inadequate description. Their records don't do them >justice. Ragged violinist Warren Ellis introduces each >number with an amusing monologue about the song... one >such involved the all too common situation of being >annoyed by a relative whilst chopping tomatoes and >bursting in on the relative with the knife with the >intention of killing them but then realising that >you're wearing tracksuit bottoms so you can't go >through with it because you're not dressed for the >occasion. Obviously he told it funnier. He also >mentioned the mullet... > >Anyone going to see them later in the tour ought to >get there early as Conway Savage (piano in Nick Cave's >Bad Seeds) did a solo spot. I missed it but was >reliably informed that it was good. Unfortunately >you'll have to suffer the other support, a very >serious skinny man with an acoustic guitar and some of >the worst lyrics ever written. > >Wire connection - Susan Stenger, who has played guitar >with Wire, has played with Warren Ellis in Nick Cave's >band. > >(A lot) more Wire next post... >Keep Womblin' Along! >Fibre Mass > >____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #255 *******************************