From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #254 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, August 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 254 Today's Subjects: ----------------- buzzcocks ["giluz" ] English Translation [timrobinson@cwcom.net] RE: English Translation ["giluz" ] Re: buzzcocks [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: first time [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Don't fall, cock! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Don't fall, cock! ["tube disaster" ] Re blur in american song2 [alan gray ] Re: buzzcocks ["Laurel G" ] Re: My Big Mouth ["Laurel G" ] Re: buzzcocks - Sorry Mark ["Laurel G" ] RE: My Big Mouth ["giluz" ] RE: Blur in American: Song 2 ["Ciscon, Ray" ] RE: Laurel's Big Mouth ["giluz" ] RE: Laurel's Big Mouth ["giluz" ] Re: My Big Mouth ["Stephen JC Sheen" ] Palestine, Zorn, Czukay, Pita & Titch [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] Re: Laurel's Big Mouth ["rabwin" ] Re: first time ["rabwin" ] Re: God Created Punk ["rabwin" ] Re: My Big Mouth ["rabwin" ] Re: Laurel's Big Mouth [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Don't fall, cock! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: The Raven/154 - was Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies ["ian barrett" <] Fw: Gilbert the Fly ["rabwin" ] Re: buzzcocks ["lucifersam" ] Re: Firsts ["lucifersam" ] Re: Firsts [Carl Archer ] Re: The Raven/154 - was Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies ["tube disaster"] RE: Womblespedding ["Mats Hammerman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:37:23 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: buzzcocks > > Hi Ray, > > I'm surprised Dan hasn't had anything to say about this and > Paul's comment > about Pete & Howard possibly getting together again - but I guess it's > because he's a gentleman, knows Buzzcocks are another passion of > mine, and > is allowing the "lady" to go first > I have to admit that I really don't know the Buzzcocks (except for "What Do I get" and one or two toehr songs) but they never struck me as something worth listening to. I might have been wrong, so now I'm ready to get acquainted with them. What should I start with, then? Is there a good collection? ps. I always thought the one good thing the Buzzcocks did was that they were what made Mark E. Smith form the Fall. After seeing them play (at least the myth tells it so) he thought "I can do better than that". And he did... giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:17:26 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: English Translation >Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:47:43 -0500 (CDT) >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >Subject: Re: Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies > >Does anybody know of any good British Slang Translating software? > >On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, [iso-8859-1] Graeme Rowland wrote: > >> humourless helicopter beard fetishist Noel Edmonds, No but I can shed some light on this cultural reference from Mr Rowland. He is referring to Noel Edmonds, a former Radio 1 DJ who became a sort of flagship TV presenter for the BBC for most of the 80s. Noel has a tidy Richard Branson style beard and flies around in his private helicopter (in a shiny Bomber jacket). His execrable programmes, which usually had his name in the title...i.e. Noels Telly Addicts, Noels House Party, Noels Addicts (about people who collect things....'Noel..I'm addicted to stamps...') are singularly responsible for the dumbing down of British television. The worst thing he did was a horribly sincere show every Christmas morning which for some unknown reason was presented from the top of the Post Office Tower. 'Noels Christmas Presents' It basically involed him giving suprises to sick kids, raising money for 'Charidee' and reuniting people with long lost relatives and other saintly works. As Mr Rowland rightly points out, little Noely does appear to have no sense of humour. He used to do a thing on his shows called 'Gotcha' where he played a 'hilarous' practical joke on some other oxygen waster like Dave Lee Travis, however he was less than amused when Chris Morris did his own 'Gotcha' on Noel by getting him to do a bogus anti-drugs advert for a fictional drug called 'Cake' on the Brasseye show "...Cake affects a part of the brain called Shatners Basoon...." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:41:27 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: English Translation > His execrable programmes, which usually had his name in the > title...i.e. Noels > Telly Addicts, Noels House Party, Noels Addicts (about people who > collect things....'Noel..I'm > addicted to stamps...') are singularly responsible for the > dumbing down of British > television. Actually, with all due respect to Mr. Edmond's execrability, I could think of a few more people contributing to the state of British TV. However, in comparison to other countries, British TV is still the best, if it gives anyone any consolation. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:21:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: buzzcocks Giluz, << What should I start with, then? Is there a good collection? >> Start with 'Singles Going Steady', which collates all the classic singles (A and B sides). Then move on to the first three albums, which are all great. There is another compilation which brings together the final few singles (from 1980). If you want more of the Devoto-era stuff, the Time's Up bootleg has been reissued recently. Personally I'd avoid the post-reformation stuff - unless you're REALLY hooked! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:24:17 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: first time Paul, << ah , envy envy. i finally saw ATV about 4 years ago , still brilliant. chatted to mark p after , really nice guy. >> the only time I ever saw ATV was in the 80s. I think Karl Blake was in the band at the time. Very noisy - quite unlike the early stuff... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:29:47 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't fall, cock! Graeme, >>The massive contibutions that Steven Hanley, Karl Burns and Julia Nagle have made in shaping the Fall sound were never more apparent,<< Hanley and Burns for sure, but Julia Nagle???? Craig Scanlon you need for 'classic' Fall....Lard had more of an influence than Nagle. Personally I'd like to see Hanley, Scanlon and Martin Bramah back in the band.... Last time I saw the Fall (1998, LA2) MES had a very minimal Bass/drums/kbds line up - very effective and still sounded like the Fall. Did the Saints' This Perfect Day as an encore too! Mark Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 06:36:08 -0500 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Don't fall, cock! >Graeme, > >>>The >massive contibutions that Steven Hanley, Karl Burns >and Julia Nagle have made in shaping the Fall sound >were never more apparent,<< > >Hanley and Burns for sure, but Julia Nagle???? Craig Scanlon you need for >'classic' Fall....Lard had more of an influence than Nagle. > >Personally I'd like to see Hanley, Scanlon and Martin Bramah back in the >band.... > >Last time I saw the Fall (1998, LA2) MES had a very minimal Bass/drums/kbds >line up - very effective and still sounded like the Fall. Did the Saints' >This Perfect Day as an encore too! It's on the latest album, too, sounding utterly unrecognizable. Pretty good album, all in all -- somewhere between Levitate (which I can't stand, something that hadn't been true of a Fall LP since Hex Enduction Hour back in the early '80s, & before that Dragnet) & Light User Syndrome (one of their best, imho). Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:18:50 -0400 (EDT) From: alan gray Subject: Re blur in american song2 >>Alan, >><< they're butchering "silver machine" to flog toyotas which >>happen to be >>silver. >> >>Nice to see the advertising works. That's a Mazda ad ;-) >>Blur are flogging Peugeots (Song 2) >>Mark Mazda?....Schmazda Alan - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:12:21 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: buzzcocks >From: "giluz" > >I have to admit that I really don't know the Buzzcocks (except for "What Do >I get" and one or two toehr songs) but they never struck me as something >worth listening to. I might have been wrong, so now I'm ready to get >acquainted with them. What should I start with, then? Is there a good >collection? Probably you'd recognise "Ever Fallen in Love (with someone you shouldn't have) and Orgasm Addict Well, I'd have to say start with Singles Going Steady - others argue that - there have been some recent releases, including Beating Hearts, which wasn't supposed to be out there yet but got out anyways, and wasn't there another one Dan? Lord, there's the one with the Howard and Pete Breakdown video enhancement and what else? - if you're looking for something a bit more pop-ish, then Modern, their latest is very good for that - Pete's solo stuff is worth a listen - I like Diggle's solo stuff, but many people don't - there are some downloads listed on buzzcocks.com, but to tell you the truth I haven't listened to them - I tried and had problems getting them - I'm not always good at this PC stuff - I've mastered email (much to some people's dismay), but a lot of other stuff still escapes me Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:32:58 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth >From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com > > >>really is a great prospect. surprised if steve g gets involved if its in >the uk. so whose side were you taking in that debate? Well, I believe I opened with a statement that Pete was Howard's magic - not in those words exactly, but that was about the sentiment of it - that Howard did his best writing with Pete - and then went on and firmly inserted my foot so far in my mouth that Dan and Stewart didn't even have to put their's elsewhere - but I've always felt that it was a magic combination and that Pete went on to write even greater solo stuff while Howard was never as good as he was with Pete - you can imagine the carnage.......... > > >>>> maybe mark can make it a 3-way row by sticking up for stevie d. i >mean somebody has to....... I like quite a bit of Diggle's stuff - he has written some really bad stuff, but I wonder at times if that perception is even tainted because I want to hear "buzzcocks" Diggle - but he's his own person besides being a Buzzcock, and has his own way to go at times, hence his solo efforts - and I suppose I have to admit that I've got a crush on him - what self respecting girl can avoid being taken in by that smile? - which allows for a certain amount of give on my part - but his stuff on Modern is some of the best on the album and it shows he's come a long way > > >>>>> the wire 25th sure needs celebrating with style. this december we >could have an xmas special? p > >P > I'm all for that - except it would probably be in the UK, and I don't know that we'll be there then - I'd have to miss it and would whine endlessly - I better start practising, cause you know there WILL be something, and you know I WILL miss it - story of my life - oooo - good start on the whining - I'll be in fine shape to cry in my beer over it by December - I have to say seeing Wire here in May was really wonderful, having to miss it so close after that high will make it even more poignant - I can see I'll get a lot of mileage out of this one Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:19:04 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: buzzcocks - Sorry Mark I should have read yours before I replied Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:19:12 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: My Big Mouth > > Well, I believe I opened with a statement that Pete was Howard's > magic - not > in those words exactly, but that was about the sentiment of it - > that Howard > did his best writing with Pete - and then went on and firmly inserted my > foot so far in my mouth that Dan and Stewart didn't even have to > put their's > elsewhere - but I've always felt that it was a magic combination and that Excuse my ignorance, but what's the connection between Devoto and the Buzzcocks? (you are talking asbout Howard Devoto, right?) giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:40:40 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Blur in American: Song 2 Jeff w/2 F's wrote: On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Ciscon, Ray wrote: > Ask your average American what they know about 'Blur', and you'll probably > get a shrug, maybe a "who?". > > Play 'Song 2', and they'll start bangin' their heads like Wayne and Garth or > Beavis and Butthead. > > I can guarantee you that there were PLENTY of disappointed metalheads who > purchased the album that 'Song 2' is on when they found out that the rest of > the album in no way resembles Heavy Metal! Of course, "Song 2" in no way resembles metal, either - the guitars are way too thin, among other things. I think the song's great mindless fun - but it's more punk than metal. Then again, that's because I'm prejudiced against metal: if it displays more intelligence than the average large-sized chunk of dirt, it doesn't seem like metal to me... (Upcoming: A Large-Sized Chunk of Dirt vs. Blur in Quiz Caper!) ===================== Dude, You are overanalyzing Heavy Metal way too much! You say that the "guitars are way too thin"... that involves WAY too much thought for your average metalhead. 'Song 2' ROCKS! Is about the depth of the analysis you'll get from a metalhead. "Whoo-hoo!!! When I feel Heavy Metal! Whoo-hoo!!!" Cheers, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:01:23 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Laurel's Big Mouth > Devoto formed the Buzzcocks with Shelley, but left before the first proper > album. > And a good thing he did too, 'cause otherwise Magazine wouldn't have existed. By the way, did abyone tape that Magazine gig that was on satellite TV a few months back? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:18:09 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Laurel's Big Mouth > Cool, what year was that from? > Before 1980, I think. I didn't watch it 'cause we don't have satellite in the provinces, but someone from this list mentioned it was gonna be on. I asked a friend of mine living in Europe to tape it, but he forgot. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:25:48 +0100 From: "Stephen JC Sheen" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth The connection is relatively easy to explain. Howard is Steve Diggle's dad, "diggle" being English for "devoto". Impressed by his son's ability to make a career in pop without having any obvious ability to sing, Howard decided to have his own go at pop stardom, forming a band with fellow ex-workers laid off from the printing presses of the Manchester Guardian as a result of technological change, hence Magazine. All went well until Howard had to leave the music industry in distress, following the publicity about his son's notorious poor lyric on Buzzcocks' third LP about the act of procreation that cast doubt both upon the wisdom of his father's efforts to conceive him and on the family's cultural standards. Howard last heard of devotoing his life to the study of Proust and Dostoevsky, venturing out of doors only to bookshops to vandalise and deface any dictionary that continues to reveal the diggle/devoto connection. Diggle apparently subject to mysterious recent replacement in Buzzcocks by a doppelganger with both good looks and musical ability - real whereabouts uncertain. From: "giluz" To: "IdealCopy" ; "Laurel G" Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:19 PM Subject: RE: My Big Mouth > > Excuse my ignorance, but what's the connection between Devoto and the > Buzzcocks? (you are talking asbout Howard Devoto, right?) > > giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:21:45 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: Palestine, Zorn, Czukay, Pita & Titch To answer the questions Giluz and Katherine have kindly asked about purchases on my recent trip to 3 record shops in Manchester city centre- The Holger Czukay CD was his most recent 'Good Morning Story' on Tone Casualties (http://www.tonecasualties.com). It's better than the previous 'Moving Pictures' which I liked well enough. He samples some old Can records - a very obvious loop from 'Vitamin c' which sounds just like the track unlooped makes the point that Can were way ahead of technology and forms the basis of the title track. The final 22:30 title track 'Mirage' is in the Can ethnic forgery vein and is IMO the best thing I've heard from any of them since 'Smoke' from 'Flow Motion'. Well worth £6! Czukay's website http://www.czukay.de is quite fun if you haven't already seen it and might have more info. John Zorn 2CD on Tzadik (http://www.tzadik.com) was 'Lacrosse' from 1977 which also features Eugene Chadbourne but after one admittedly rather inattentive listen I wouldn't rate it as an essential work... quite abstract, chaotic and very unmelodic. Pita is Austrian Peter Rehberg, half of Rehberg and Bauer whose discs 'Ballt' and 'Fasst' on Touch (http://www.touch.demon.co.uk) would appeal to fans of 'In Esse' and Pan Sonic - well they appeal to this fan. He's also put out some more technoid discs as Pita on the abrasive Mego label (http://www.mego.at) which he co-runs. The label HQ is famed for its large collection of fridges which all hum a different tone. Charlemagne Palestine is a contemporary of LaMonte Young and Tony Conrad and all that NY 'minimalist' lot the Wire mag rewrites the biographies of every 3 months or so. He tends to bang the hell out of his piano and perches lots of fluffy toys on it, creating hypnotic but visceral music which can go on quite a long time (some of Wire's music could be described that way I suppose). He's a bit of a maverick to say the least. The Vainio/Pita/Palestine disc on Staalplaat 'Three compositions for Machines' contains one track from each, made on a different machines (the rustler, the crescent and the siren respectively) in Den Haag plus a "bonus" collaboration from Pita/Vainio recorded in Berlin. It certainly won't appeal to anyone who thinks that 'Noise on CD is not music' but the Palestine track, which is a little more subtle and thought out, is a very pleasant high pitched drone/harmonic piece. Vainio's track sounds like an engine. Pita almost makes some very fractured beats emerge. That's almost! The CD amusingly credits Charlemagne as Charlemange. btw Lee Ranaldo's song on the SY CD is great and Silo's 'Instar' (produced by that Colin bloke) is a fine post sock album (why did it take me so long to check it out? Perhaps because 'Templates' is by far the weakest track). Pablo's Eye album on Extreme (w/ one song dedicated to Colin & Malka) not as focused or as beautifully atmospheric as the later crepuscular Swim album. Pelt album's not quite as good as previous one and Magnog double is second only to Bardo Pond when it comes to psychedelic guitar dronerock overload. Subarachnoid Space are a pretty decent headfuck-dronetrip too! Don't worry about being out of the loop, it never did Robert Hampson any harm - Just listen to that lovely Orr CD he did with Bruce Gilbert! I guess if you really are out of the loop you won't get the rather feeble joke in the above paragraph. Katherine P, you were born the same year as me! Where's Titch? Musta bin sat on a missing chair... Glass Mess ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:26:50 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: Laurel's Big Mouth > > And a good thing he did too, 'cause otherwise Magazine wouldn't have > existed. By the way, did abyone tape that Magazine gig that was on satellite > TV a few months back? > > giluz ////// yep........ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:17:07 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: first time > > the only time I ever saw ATV was in the 80s. I think Karl Blake was in the > band at the time. Very noisy - quite unlike the early stuff... > > Mark /////// that was a funny combination ; i thought the records worked quite well but they never did many gigs. i think mark thought it was too punky and went back to softer stuff.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:29:22 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: God Created Punk > > Thanks for pointing out Graham's lack of flares. I think the picture I'm > thinking of appeared in the "Blackmail" column of one of the music > weeklies. Full northern soul look I think. > > Tony /////// i think somebody posted about this a few months back and it was colin in that "blackmail" picture. anybody got a copy? sounds worth seeing....... p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:25:36 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: My Big Mouth > > Well, I believe I opened with a statement that Pete was Howard's magic - not > in those words exactly, but that was about the sentiment of it - that Howard > did his best writing with Pete ////// you know a couple of years ago i'd have probably backed you up , i've only really got into magazine in the last couple of years. nothing is as instant as buzzcocks (almost the classic "perfect pop" band) but once it's under your skin....... the first 3 magazine albums are all well worth trying , not 100% perfect but a few real classics on each. and regarding buzzcocks (following gil's question) , why not buy the 3cd box of their emi stuff (77-80). i'd be amazed if you didn't love it , the albums are really some of the best of that time. even worth pawning your copy of "sheep farming in barnet" for. p :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:04:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Laurel's Big Mouth Giluz, << Before 1980, I think. I didn't watch it 'cause we don't have satellite in the provinces, but someone from this list mentioned it was gonna be on. I asked a friend of mine living in Europe to tape it, but he forgot. >> I missed it too, as Sky was switching me to digital when it was shown, so I lost the German channels until they found a way of connecting up the old analogue dish again....it was a late gig from 1980 - with Robin Simon in the band not McGeogh (the 'Play' line-up). Pretty good apparently... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:10:54 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't fall, cock! Dan, I need to get about the last three Fall albums.... I know we've been down this track before - but Hex and Dragnet are probably my favourite Fall albums along with Grotesque, Perverted by language, Extricate and Shift Work...... I can't think of another band that divides its own fans like the Fall does... Mark << It's on the latest album, too, sounding utterly unrecognizable. Pretty good album, all in all -- somewhere between Levitate (which I can't stand, something that hadn't been true of a Fall LP since Hex Enduction Hour back in the early '80s, & before that Dragnet) & Light User Syndrome (one of their best, imho). >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:22:33 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: The Raven/154 - was Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies - ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Rowland > First album I bought with cash was The Raven by the > Stranglers and at first it seemed incredibly odd, not > quite the pop album I expected it to be - looking back > a rite of passage for me I hunted high and low for that album in it's original limited edition 3D cover on the day of release around Leeds, but in the main shops it was sold out. Last chance saloon was HMV, but I couldn't get in - it was packed out with people and security because Hank Marvin was in there signing something or other. Bastard! The Raven actually came out in the same week as 154. They were reviewed alongside each other in NME; headline above Wire review; "Artistic" - headline above Stranglers review; "Schmartistic"; rather unfair. I still rate The Raven as possibly their best. > Has anyone noticed that the Stranglers song 'It Only > Takes Two To Tango' from 'La Folie' is a dead ringer > for the Wombles... even lyrically! Now you come to mention it.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:05:31 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Fw: Gilbert the Fly - ----- Original Message ----- From: rabwin To: giluz ; IdealCopy Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Gilbert the Fly > > > . Accompanying band was great too, I don't know why > > people slag them off. > > > > giluz > > > > //// they do? never saw much wrong with the first 2 lp's or accompanying > tours myself. drummer was called rob ellis , he wasn't involved on the 3rd > album but he came back for the tours of the last 2. don't think he played on > the records though. he has his own band called spleen , who are a bit like > the barry adamson "film noir soundtrack" idea. not bad , but nothing > mind-blowing. bass player vanished. current live up also includes capt. > beefheart's keyboard player drew feldman plus producer john parish.p > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:20:32 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: buzzcocks The first LP is a classic. "Moving away from the pulse beat" is Krautrock '77 stylee....Fan...bloody...tastic.... > Giluz, > > << What should I start with, then? Is there a good > collection? >> > > Start with 'Singles Going Steady', which collates all the classic singles (A > and B sides). Then move on to the first three albums, which are all great. > There is another compilation which brings together the final few singles > (from 1980). If you want more of the Devoto-era stuff, the Time's Up bootleg > has been reissued recently. Personally I'd avoid the post-reformation stuff - > unless you're REALLY hooked! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:27:51 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Firsts I recently read a book about them George. "Too much too soon" (yeah, no points for imagination!). It was so sad. They were on self distruct from day one....oh dear.....young people huh? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: lucifersam Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Firsts > > The New York Dolls, heck, they were beyond the beyond. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:59:53 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: Firsts The Dolls were brilliant, and they didn't need David Bowie to help them, either. - -Carl > From: "lucifersam" > Reply-To: "lucifersam" > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:27:51 +0100 > To: > Cc: "IdealCopy" > Subject: Re: Firsts > > I recently read a book about them George. "Too much too soon" > (yeah, no points for imagination!). It was so sad. They were on > self distruct from day one....oh dear.....young people huh? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: lucifersam > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: Firsts > > >> >> The New York Dolls, heck, they were beyond the beyond. >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:51:01 -0500 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: The Raven/154 - was Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies >----- Original Message ----- >From: Graeme Rowland >> First album I bought with cash was The Raven by the >> Stranglers and at first it seemed incredibly odd, not >> quite the pop album I expected it to be - looking back >> a rite of passage for me > >I hunted high and low for that album in it's original limited edition 3D >cover on the day of release around Leeds, but in the main shops it was sold >out. Last chance saloon was HMV, but I couldn't get in - it was packed out >with people and security because Hank Marvin was in there signing something >or other. Bastard! >The Raven actually came out in the same week as 154. They were reviewed >alongside each other in NME; headline above Wire review; "Artistic" - >headline above Stranglers review; "Schmartistic"; rather unfair. I still >rate The Raven as possibly their best. Oddly, The Raven was the first album of theirs to do little for me. Once upon a time, in a ranking I did for a fanzine back in '78 (when I had probably an entire 70 albums in my possession), among LPs I bought that year I placed Black & White (along with, let's see, More Songs About Buildings & Food, Power in the Darkness, This Year's Model & 4 or 5 others, possibly including Are We Not Men & Approved by the Motors) above Pink Flag. It's safe to say that my judgment has changed a bit since then ... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:21:32 GMT From: "Mats Hammerman" Subject: RE: Womblespedding Otherwise backwards progression could be a good name for Mr Spedding. Saw him as a gutarplayer for Robert Gordon a few years ago and he could hardly play the guitar anymore. Not that he is one of my heros but its sad when "talented" people end up as junkies/drunks or whatever he was on. Mats >From: David Turnbull >To: "'giluz'" >CC: "'idealcopy@smoe.org'" >Subject: RE: Wombles >Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:05:37 +0100 > >It's called Backwood Progression (the album and the track). Keith Tippett >didn't play on it though. And as for the eponymous Chris Spedding album I >think it's his best - it's very funny as well. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: giluz [SMTP:giluz@nettalk.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:20 AM > > To: IdealCopy > > Subject: RE: Wombles > > > > > Actually the original studio album that has guitar jamboree, simply > > called > > > Chris Spedding, is not that good. However, I used to have a Chris > > Spedding > > > album I really liked, circa 1970-1972, which was really good. Can't > > recall > > > the name, though. It's been lost somewhere in my murky past so I > > > don't have > > > it anymore. I think it might have had King Crimson's Keith Tippet on > > > keyboards. > > > > > > > First track in the album was called Backwards Progression - anyone know > > the > > album name? > > giluz > >This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it >in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the >information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this >message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, >unless specifically stated. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #254 *******************************