From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #253 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, August 17 2000 Volume 03 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: first time [Anthony Clough ] RE: first time ["giluz" ] RE: first time [Anthony Clough ] Re: Gilbert the Fly [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: first time ["lucifersam" ] Re: Gilbert the Fly [Carl Archer ] Re Gilbert the Fly/dirty 3 [alan gray ] RE: Polly, Gilbert & the Fly ["giluz" ] Re: first time [Anthony Clough ] Re:Upcoming Gigs (was Re: Re Gilbert the Fly/dirty 3) [Chris.Ray@medas.co] RE: Wombles [David Turnbull ] RE: Wombles ["giluz" ] Firsts ["dMc" ] RE: Wombles [David Turnbull ] Re: Firsts ["lucifersam" ] RE: Wombles ["giluz" ] Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] Re: music on car advert's [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Gilbert the Fly ["rabwin" ] Re: first time ["rabwin" ] Blur in American: Song 2 ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: Firsts ["lucifersam" ] Re: first time ["tube disaster" ] Re: Blur in American: Song 2 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Re[2]: Hating Summer ["Laurel G" ] Manchester Scene ["Laurel G" ] Manchester Scene - addendum ["Laurel G" ] Re: Manchester Scene - addendum ["lucifersam" ] Re: God Created Punk [Anthony Clough ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:42:48 +0100 () From: Anthony Clough Subject: Re: first time First punk record - Anarchy (probably) First Wire record - Mannequin ( have I spelt that right ?) First gig - like Charles, Genesis (Earls Court 76) First pink gig - ATV (probably) Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:55:51 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: first time > > First pink gig - ATV (probably) > Please explain. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:09:24 +0100 () From: Anthony Clough Subject: RE: first time Sorry, Punk gig. I've still yet to go to my first pink gig. In case that wasn't the query - the gig in question was Alternative TV with The Transmitters at Greenwich Theatre. They had just released "Vibing Up The Senile Man" which was slated in the press and were playing decidedly un-punky sounding material (punk in spirit though I thought). The audience reaction was muted and then slowly turned hostile. It ended with Perry throwing a piano frame off the stage just catching my unfortunate mate but doing no great harm. We were nice quiet boys so left but apparently a minor riot ensued, we heard the stage area (which was a set for a domestic comedy starring Leonard Rositter) was trashed. As we waited for the bus various members of the audience passed by with guitars, cymbals and bits of scenery. How "punk" can you get. (One final comment though - despite berating them for their unwillingness to go along with his new music - Perry had a sly grin on his face as the piano headed for the audience.) Tony. On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, giluz wrote: > > > > First pink gig - ATV (probably) > > > > Please explain. > giluz > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:20:55 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: Gilbert the Fly I've seen the Dirty 3 a couple of times now and they are excellent live. Haven't picked up any of their albums as yet but it's only a question of time. The gig at the Union Chapel, London should be excellent. I have a ticket for the Sigur Ros gig the day after (?). Chris. "rabwin" on 15/08/2000 21:24:06 To: "Graeme Rowland" , idealcopy@smoe.org cc: stevieye@hotmail.com (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: Gilbert the Fly > Anyone going to see the Dirty 3 when they play here on > Thursday evening? ////// they were the support on the last pj harvey tour. pretty , er , "atonal" on the night i saw em. didn't really do much for me ; are the records any good? anyway , polly has a new album out in october. apart from wire she's about the only act who i'd rush out and by a new single of without hearing it. amazing live too ; i'd recommend her without reservation. usually takes a great tour support out too.p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:17:21 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: first time Alternatine Televison, As in Mark Perry who ran the sniffing glue fanzine. I still have my flexi-disc of "Love lies limp" which came with an edition of "Sniffing Glue".... "You Bastard" was another great ATV single. I saw them live, supporting The Pop Group, another fine band of minstrels in about '79. Hope that helps.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: giluz To: IdealCopy ; Anthony Clough Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 10:55 AM Subject: RE: first time > > > > First pink gig - ATV (probably) > > > > Please explain. > giluz > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:50:26 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: Gilbert the Fly Are we talking about PJ Harvey? If so, does anybody know what happened to her rhythm section after the 2nd album? - -Carl > From: "giluz" > Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:20:16 +0200 > To: "IdealCopy" , "rabwin" > Subject: RE: Gilbert the Fly > >> >> anyway , polly has a new album out in october. apart from wire she's about >> the only act who i'd rush out and by a new single of without hearing it. >> amazing live too ; i'd recommend her without reservation. usually takes a >> great tour support out too.p >> > > Saw her supporting Robyn Hitchcock just before the release of her 1st album. > She was quite excited and insecure, got electricuted by her microphone at > the middle of the 2nd song. This kinda released the tension and she was > fucking wicked since then. Accompanying band was great too, I don't know why > people slag them off. > > giluz > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:07:03 -0400 (EDT) From: alan gray Subject: Re Gilbert the Fly/dirty 3 >>I've seen the Dirty 3 a couple of times now and they are >>excellent live. >>Haven't picked up any of their albums as yet but it's only a >>question of time. >>The gig at the Union Chapel, London should be excellent. >>I have a ticket for the Sigur Ros gig the day after (?). When is the gig at the Union Chapel,and where/when the one the next day? Alan - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:10:23 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Polly, Gilbert & the Fly > Are we talking about PJ Harvey? If so, does anybody know what happened to > her rhythm section after the 2nd album? > > -Carl > er, no! They were excellent, though. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:16:12 +0100 () From: Anthony Clough Subject: Re: first time I saw ATV in 79 supporting the Pop Group too although then they were know as the Good Missionaries in an attempt to distance themselves from people's preconceptions of what ATV should be following the reaction to the Greenwich Theatre gig. I saw them at the Empire Ballroom, Leicester Square which is (and probably even then was) a strange place for that kind of thing - very normal night-clubby place. I was third in the queue. The guy in front was the then largely unknown Adam Ant. A bloke also leafleted the queue trying to get us to see the first gig of his new band The The. I didn't go. Those were the days. Like virtually everybody else in London then I got to know Mark Perry a bit and put a couple of cassettes out of ATV/Good Missionaries stuff. I can only remember talking about Wire to him once - he said he liked Colin's A-Z but didn't think much of that Dome stuff as I recall. A bit strange considering what he was doing at the time except Perry's experiments were often quite directly emotional rather than abstract/distanced/ironic.. I heard "Sniffin' Glue" has been reprinted with a long and entertaining introduction by Perry. I also have the photobook he wrote the text for a few years back "And God Created Punk" ( I think) and I'm convinced a bloke pictured near the back is Graham Lewis looking very fetching in flares. Anyone else seen this ? Tony. On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, lucifersam wrote: > Alternatine Televison, As in Mark Perry who ran the sniffing glue fanzine. > I still have my flexi-disc of "Love lies limp" which came with an edition of > "Sniffing Glue".... "You Bastard" was another great ATV single. I saw them > live, supporting The Pop Group, another fine band of minstrels in about '79. > Hope that helps.... > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:21:21 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re:Upcoming Gigs (was Re: Re Gilbert the Fly/dirty 3) - --0__=kiiop3NX52u9QDoVHUfl37jvPOgqU2cFdrFseS9f3CYbcTDBzrvf6KSO Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Information culled from Ticketbastards, er I mean Ticketmaster. I've got tickets for Sigur Ros and Low and shall be booking Kozelek shortly. DIRTY THREE WITH LUPINE HOWL UNION CHAPEL COMPTON TCE, LONDON N1 TUE 22-AUG-00 20:00 - --0__=kiiop3NX52u9QDoVHUfl37jvPOgqU2cFdrFseS9f3CYbcTDBzrvf6KSO Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =A310 SIGUR ROS UNION CHAPEL COMPTON TERRACE, LONDON N1 THU 24-AUG-00 DRS 8PM =A38.50 LOW UNION CHAPEL HIGHBURY CORNER, LONDON.N1 FRI 10-NOV-00 7.30PM =A39 MARK KOZELEK (Red House Painters) THE BORDERLINE MANETTE ST.LONDON W1 SAT 09-SEP-00 20:30 =A310 Chris. alan gray on 16/08/2000 13:07:03 To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re Gilbert the Fly/dirty 3 = - --0__=kiiop3NX52u9QDoVHUfl37jvPOgqU2cFdrFseS9f3CYbcTDBzrvf6KSO Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>I've seen the Dirty 3 a couple of times now and they are >>excellent live. >>Haven't picked up any of their albums as yet but it's only a >>question of time. >>The gig at the Union Chapel, London should be excellent. >>I have a ticket for the Sigur Ros gig the day after (?). When is the gig at the Union Chapel,and where/when the one the next day? Alan - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - --0__=kiiop3NX52u9QDoVHUfl37jvPOgqU2cFdrFseS9f3CYbcTDBzrvf6KSO-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:05:37 +0100 From: David Turnbull Subject: RE: Wombles It's called Backwood Progression (the album and the track). Keith Tippett didn't play on it though. And as for the eponymous Chris Spedding album I think it's his best - it's very funny as well. > -----Original Message----- > From: giluz [SMTP:giluz@nettalk.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:20 AM > To: IdealCopy > Subject: RE: Wombles > > > Actually the original studio album that has guitar jamboree, simply > called > > Chris Spedding, is not that good. However, I used to have a Chris > Spedding > > album I really liked, circa 1970-1972, which was really good. Can't > recall > > the name, though. It's been lost somewhere in my murky past so I > > don't have > > it anymore. I think it might have had King Crimson's Keith Tippet on > > keyboards. > > > > First track in the album was called Backwards Progression - anyone know > the > album name? > giluz This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:21:23 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Wombles > It's called Backwood Progression (the album and the track). Keith Tippett > didn't play on it though. And as for the eponymous Chris Spedding album I > think it's his best - it's very funny as well. > Do you know if it's available on CD (Backwoods Progression, I mean)? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:30:48 -0500 From: "dMc" Subject: Firsts First Album(s) Previously stated as Santana-Santana and Arthur-The Kinks First 45-Penny Lane (I think) First Concert - Foghat / Jeryemy Spencer and the Children of God (two bands not previously mentined on the list ;) First Punk Album - The Stooges - Funhouse _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:34:20 +0100 From: David Turnbull Subject: RE: Wombles In the UK it can be found on a toofer with "The Only Lick I Know", a self-referential follow-up which is also very funny > -----Original Message----- > From: giluz [SMTP:giluz@nettalk.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 4:21 PM > To: IdealCopy; David Turnbull > Subject: RE: Wombles > > > It's called Backwood Progression (the album and the track). Keith > Tippett > > didn't play on it though. And as for the eponymous Chris Spedding album > I > > think it's his best - it's very funny as well. > > > > Do you know if it's available on CD (Backwoods Progression, I mean)? > giluz This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:46:32 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Firsts Do The New York Dolls count as first 'Punk' LP's?????? - ----- Original Message ----- From: dMc To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 3:30 PM Subject: Firsts > First Album(s) > Previously stated as Santana-Santana and Arthur-The Kinks > First 45-Penny Lane (I think) > First Concert - Foghat / Jeryemy Spencer and the Children of God (two bands > not previously mentined on the list ;) > First Punk Album - The Stooges - Funhouse > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:13:47 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Wombles > > In the UK it can be found on a toofer with "The Only Lick I Know", a > self-referential follow-up which is also very funny > Ever since we mentioned it, I've got this Backwoods Progression song stuck in my head. It's such a beautiful tune that I don't care, really. Just wish I had it. So if it's not tippet, who played with Spedding in that album? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:42:05 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies Most memorable Goodies episode for me was the one where they did a western gunfight spoof in which they squirted tomatos at each other. The nation's mothers were not happy about the resulting mess at meal times. The 'Everybody Loves String' one was a good send up of dimbulb advertising and corporate crap selling too. Although string is much more useful commodity than much of the garbage they try to convince us we need these days (optical illusions that you can buy shares in?) My parents bought the Wombles Minuetto Allegretto single for me and my sister when we were young. The Wombles had an important social message for us all 'Pick up the litter and make it into something new.' First album I bought with cash was The Raven by the Stranglers and at first it seemed incredibly odd, not quite the pop album I expected it to be - looking back a rite of passage for me. I'd heard Duchess a few years earlier on a video jukebox prog hosted by humourless helicopter beard fetishist Noel Edmonds, and loved the tune. The tune was all that was broadcast because at the time the BBC had taken it upon themselves to protect the nations moral fibre by banning the video for the heinous crime of being shot in a church. Bizarrely it was deemed acceptable to show a still taken from the video (Stranglers as choirboys in shades singing from the pulpit). Who knows, if it had actually been broadcast I might've grown up to be Marilyn Mansion! A lucky escape... Has anyone noticed that the Stranglers song 'It Only Takes Two To Tango' from 'La Folie' is a dead ringer for the Wombles... even lyrically! First Wire was the And Here It Is Again compilation which had to be returned to the shop and swapped for Chairs Missing... I bought it primarily to hear I Am The Fly and it jumped all over on that track! One listen though, and I was hooked - Question of Degree and On Returning and Mannequin especially made a big impression! Not long after this important discovery, Snakedrill was released. First Wire CD was a cut-out of Manscape for only a quid! The extra tracks seemed well worth it and the much longer Hung Craftsman was welcome welcome indeed. Lock up your churches and don't let no pop groups in! (Jesus wouldn't like them?) Fibreglass Messiah ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:07:16 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies I found a Wombles song last night, had a good laugh. Then I realized, it came out in 1974 - perhaps I would have rocked out to it when I was 4! Interesting to hear about how it was growing up in another country, what influences there were. Thanks for your stories! katherine - ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Rowland To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 1:42 PM Subject: Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies > > > > Most memorable Goodies episode for me was the one > where they did a western gunfight spoof in which they > squirted tomatos at each other. The nation's mothers > were not happy about the resulting mess at meal times. > > The 'Everybody Loves String' one was a good send up of > dimbulb advertising and corporate crap selling too. > Although string is much more useful commodity than > much of the garbage they try to convince us we need > these days (optical illusions that you can buy shares > in?) > > My parents bought the Wombles Minuetto Allegretto > single for me and my sister when we were young. The > Wombles had an important social message for us all > 'Pick up the litter and make it into something new.' > > First album I bought with cash was The Raven by the > Stranglers and at first it seemed incredibly odd, not > quite the pop album I expected it to be - looking back > a rite of passage for me. I'd heard Duchess a few > years earlier on a video jukebox prog hosted by > humourless helicopter beard fetishist Noel Edmonds, > and loved the tune. The tune was all that was > broadcast because at the time the BBC had taken it > upon themselves to protect the nations moral fibre by > banning the video for the heinous crime of being shot > in a church. Bizarrely it was deemed acceptable to > show a still taken from the video (Stranglers as > choirboys in shades singing from the pulpit). Who > knows, if it had actually been broadcast I might've > grown up to be Marilyn Mansion! A lucky escape... > > Has anyone noticed that the Stranglers song 'It Only > Takes Two To Tango' from 'La Folie' is a dead ringer > for the Wombles... even lyrically! > > First Wire was the And Here It Is Again compilation > which had to be returned to the shop and swapped for > Chairs Missing... I bought it primarily to hear I Am > The Fly and it jumped all over on that track! One > listen though, and I was hooked - Question of Degree > and On Returning and Mannequin especially made a big > impression! Not long after this important discovery, > Snakedrill was released. > > First Wire CD was a cut-out of Manscape for only a > quid! The extra tracks seemed well worth it and the > much longer Hung Craftsman was welcome welcome indeed. > > Lock up your churches and don't let no pop groups in! > (Jesus wouldn't like them?) > Fibreglass Messiah > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:12:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: re Womblespedding Paul << ..........and "jeans on" was by david dundas. but there's nothing interesting to say about him. >> apart from the fact that he wrote the original Channel 4 jingle (deer-deeer-de-deeerrr) so now he doesn't have to write crap ad jingles any more. Got royalties for 15 years solid. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:17:36 -0500 From: "dMc" Subject: Re: Firsts YES (emphsticly O-) > Do The New York Dolls count as first 'Punk' LP's?????? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:30:08 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: music on car advert's Alan, << they're butchering "silver machine" to flog toyotas which happen to be silver. >> Nice to see the advertising works. That's a Mazda ad ;-) Blur are flogging Peugeots (Song 2) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:47:01 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: Gilbert the Fly . Accompanying band was great too, I don't know why > people slag them off. > > giluz > //// they do? never saw much wrong with the first 2 lp's or accompanying tours myself. drummer was called rob ellis , he wasn't involved on the 3rd album but he came back for the tours of the last 2. don't think he played on the records though. he has his own band called spleen , who are a bit like the barry adamson "film noir soundtrack" idea. not bad , but nothing mind-blowing. bass player vanished. current live up also includes capt. beefheart's keyboard player drew feldman plus producer john parish.p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:54:53 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: first time > > I saw ATV in 79 supporting the Pop Group too although then they were know > as the Good Missionaries in an attempt to distance themselves from > people's preconceptions of what ATV should be following the reaction to the > Greenwich Theatre gig. I saw them at the Empire Ballroom, Leicester Square > which is (and probably even then was) a strange place for that kind of > thing - very normal night-clubby place. I was third in the queue. The > guy in front was the then largely unknown Adam Ant. A bloke also > leafleted the queue trying to get us to see the first gig of his new band > The The. I didn't go. Those were the days. > ///// ah , envy envy. i finally saw ATV about 4 years ago , still brilliant. chatted to mark p after , really nice guy. > I heard "Sniffin' Glue" has been reprinted with a long and > entertaining introduction by Perry. I also have the photobook he wrote the text for a > few years back "And God Created Punk" ( I think) and I'm convinced a bloke > pictured near the back is Graham Lewis looking very fetching in flares. > Anyone else seen this ? //////// i have the re-print but not read it yet. looks great though , they've done it really well. as i write i'm checking out the "agcp" book and you're half right.page 119 has a very camp pic of someone looking very much like graham in a jaunty beret. but the flares accusation is utterly unfounded , the fashion police would have no complaints there. nice and tight.p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:21:04 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: Blur in American: Song 2 Ask your average American what they know about 'Blur', and you'll probably get a shrug, maybe a "who?". Play 'Song 2', and they'll start bangin' their heads like Wayne and Garth or Beavis and Butthead. I can guarantee you that there were PLENTY of disappointed metalheads who purchased the album that 'Song 2' is on when they found out that the rest of the album in no way resembles Heavy Metal! I bet that Blur have made a ton of cash off of it though because it's used in ZILLIONS of commercials and movies... Cheers Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 3:30 PM To: alan_gray@email.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: music on car advert's Alan, << they're butchering "silver machine" to flog toyotas which happen to be silver. >> Nice to see the advertising works. That's a Mazda ad ;-) Blur are flogging Peugeots (Song 2) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:38:20 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Firsts OK...First 'PUNK' Lp the New York Dolls.....;-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: dMc To: lucifersam Cc: IdealCopy Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Firsts > YES (emphsticly O-) > > > Do The New York Dolls count as first 'Punk' LP's?????? > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:20:44 -0500 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: first time - -- > >I saw ATV in 79 supporting the Pop Group too although then they were know >as the Good Missionaries in an attempt to distance themselves from >people's preconceptions of what ATV should be following the reaction to the >Greenwich Theatre gig. Good thing you mentioned that, as seeing this post reminded me that I'd completely forgotten about a Good Missionaries LP being auctioned off on eBay. I jumped over there at once, & there were 29 minutes to go ... now it's mine. > >I heard "Sniffin' Glue" has been reprinted with a long and >entertaining introduction by Perry. Yep. Got my copy just a couple of weeks ago. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:35:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Blur in American: Song 2 On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Ciscon, Ray wrote: > Ask your average American what they know about 'Blur', and you'll probably > get a shrug, maybe a "who?". > > Play 'Song 2', and they'll start bangin' their heads like Wayne and Garth or > Beavis and Butthead. > > I can guarantee you that there were PLENTY of disappointed metalheads who > purchased the album that 'Song 2' is on when they found out that the rest of > the album in no way resembles Heavy Metal! Of course, "Song 2" in no way resembles metal, either - the guitars are way too thin, among other things. I think the song's great mindless fun - but it's more punk than metal. Then again, that's because I'm prejudiced against metal: if it displays more intelligence than the average large-sized chunk of dirt, it doesn't seem like metal to me... (Upcoming: A Large-Sized Chunk of Dirt vs. Blur in Quiz Caper!) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::Sting, where is thy death?:: __Alan Gray_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:47:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Manson Wombles Strangled Goodies Does anybody know of any good British Slang Translating software? On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, [iso-8859-1] Graeme Rowland wrote: > humourless helicopter beard fetishist Noel Edmonds, Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:54:29 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: RE: music on car advert's Hi Ray, I'm surprised Dan hasn't had anything to say about this and Paul's comment about Pete & Howard possibly getting together again - but I guess it's because he's a gentleman, knows Buzzcocks are another passion of mine, and is allowing the "lady" to go first we've had lots of discussion about the commercail on the Buzzcocks list - I personally like it in a sense that it's slick, colorful, attention getting, visually exciting - not to mention the music - it's for the Rav4 btw - others argue that they dislike the commercial, I think they may feel a bit protective that the boys are being used commercially - but heck, Pete himself did a Pepsi ad - a fact I did not feel it necessary to mention in the heat of the discussion - lord knows, I'D never want to stir the honey pot *L - but I really don't have a problem with it anyways - it's not like, as someone mentioned Sting, being an advocate for causes and then actually doing an ad for a car that trades on the use of such fine, posh materials - but then I suppose he made sure they were using only plantation raised trees in the cars - is he that gullible? I don't know, you tell me there's an interesting article about how WDIG got used for that commercial - it's at http://www.feedmag.com/essay/es342lofi.html (may be down right now, but if you get the chance later and it's up it's worth reading)- it was quite by accident - I'm happy with the results of that accident Last - If they're still playing all the commercials for the Toyota SUVS, pay attention to the music, the vehicle, and the activities the drivers are involved in - it makes a huge statement about targeting audiences when you start comparing them - we were watching some sports event or something last year and they were playing them all in succession - I was a bit put out when I realized how I was being perceived in using the Buzzcocks to target me by comparison, until I read how the song came to be used - but it was still an interesting observation Laurel >Rob Warnock wrote: > >I still think the worst is the ad that uses "What Do I Get?" by the >Buzzcocks. I'm not sure what car it's for. Some SUV or another. > >I LOVE THAT COMMERCIAL! > >It's the guy with the bear 'riding shotgun' in the SUV with him! > >I'd much rather hear the Buzzcocks than Michael Jackson or Billy Joel! > >Plus, I think that the portion of the song lyrics we hear go along rather >well with the commercial. > >Cheers, > >Ray > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:18:58 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Hating Summer Yes, there was some talk about Howard playing a few gigs, and Pete and him writing together again - not sure if it's going to happen yet, but it's a lovely thought isn't it? - and I think, (Dan am I right here?) that there was some talk, of other past members of the band appearing as well? - I know Steve Garvey stood in with them for fun at a show on the Modern tour - I'm anxiously awaiting news - although, I had this big debate on Buzzcocks list about Shelley vs Devoto as song writers and I'll be a wee bit embarrassed to face some people if it does - I DID shoot off my mouth just the teensiest bit and to Mark, no, you didn't miss any new Diggle stuff except maybe a few Modern tracks he did - none of his new solo efforts were played - I did not get Some Reality for my Birthday (which actually was the same day as the anniversary show)-a situation that I'm hoping might be remedied later this year - there' our anniversary and Christmas - we'll see what the new year holds if it doesn't make an appearance by then - yes, I could buy it myself, but it's the principle dammit!!! - warning, this is a test of the emergency relationship warning system.......... and finally, how about this dream - a 25th anniversary spectacular - featuring Wire and Buzzcocks - and there must be other bands that will celebrating their 25th next year - would that make for one hell of a party or what? Laurel Paul said: >rumour being put around on the magazine/buzzcocks sites is that for their >25th anniversary next year , shelley and devoto are going to get together >again. now that i would make an effort to see. > >and of course , next year must be the wire 25th anniversary too. i suppose >you date it from the first gig? sounds like something that ought to be >celebrated one way or another. don't have kevin's book here to work the day >out sadly. p and Mark said: >Hi Laurel, > >Damn. Missed a great set of new Diggle numbers I guess... > >Mark > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:36:22 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Manchester Scene So Graeme, I take it from your "Don't fall cock" post, that it did indeed suck - just kidding - was happy to hear you had a good time - have you changed your mind about post reformation stuff? Laurel >The Fall are doing a free gig on Sunday night (8.40pm) >in Castlefield Arena! Buzzcocks too - hope they play >the old stuff, not the crap they did since they >reformed. Oh, the Buzzcocks' first post-reunion album, Trade Test Transmission, was remarkably good under those circumstances. The 2nd one, All Set, was rather drab. Third one, Modern, is somewhere between the 2. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:46:21 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Manchester Scene - addendum Ok, I've shot off my mouth about Buzzcocks enough Graeme, I forgot to comment before I sent that last one - it was interesting what you had to say about the Fall - that's really the only commentary I've seen about that so far, I've heard a lot about the show on Buzzcocks list, but obviously only the BC angle - I'd be curious to know if there were others from this list there and if they felt the same way - I don't think I've seen any comments on it on punk77 either way, errrr, either - anyone that's also on that list remember and I just missed it? Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:09:10 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Manchester Scene - addendum Just as an aside...I have to say that I've always hated The Fall. I dont think either them or Buzzcocks are of any relevance today. But back in the old days, when it came to the choice of a whinging miserable tuneless noise, or the pop genius of "I dont mind" etc My vote was firmly in the Buzzcocks camp...:-) > Ok, I've shot off my mouth about Buzzcocks enough > > Graeme, > > I forgot to comment before I sent that last one - it was interesting what > you had to say about the Fall - that's really the only commentary I've seen > about that so far, I've heard a lot about the show on Buzzcocks list, but > obviously only the BC angle - I'd be curious to know if there were others > from this list there and if they felt the same way - I don't think I've seen > any comments on it on punk77 either way, errrr, either - anyone that's also > on that list remember and I just missed it? > > Laurel > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:24:27 +0100 () From: Anthony Clough Subject: Re: God Created Punk Thanks for pointing out Graham's lack of flares. I think the picture I'm thinking of appeared in the "Blackmail" column of one of the music weeklies. Full northern soul look I think. Tony ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #253 *******************************