From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #245 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, August 9 2000 Volume 03 : Number 245 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! ["Anna Ravegum" ] Re: Re Velvets vh1 ["rabwin" ] RE: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! ["stephen graziano" ] Re: toyah ["dMc" ] RE: Bruce Gilbert to remix Madonna's hairdryer!!! ["giluz" ] Re: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:46:26 -0400 From: "Anna Ravegum" Subject: RE: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! I was just thinking about that. I haven't done anything about it either, other than buy more paints. > [Original Message] > From: Katherine Pouliot > To: > Date: 8/8/00 1:09:09 PM > Subject: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! > > OK, how many of you have contributed to Malka's project???? (yeah that was > brought up a few weeks ago, I know.) > > I haven't a clue what to do, and was just curious how it's going for the > rest of us here... > > katherine > -------------------- > Katherine Pouliot > kep99@hotmail.com - --- Anna Ravegum - --- cheesewhizz@earthlink.net - --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:57:00 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: John Cale A couple quick notes: 1. It doesn't surprise me that the Velvets concert was played in Europe and not the US ... the same reason that the reunion tour was there: the Velvets (which is not to say Lou Reed) are far more popular in Europe than the in the US ... which is rather sad. 2. Throughout the 90s John Cale has released a series of often brilliant instrumental albums, often for independent films. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:17:18 +0100 From: "rabwin" Subject: Re: Re Velvets vh1 . > The Naked chef Jamie whatever also plays in a band. > I don't think he puts his Jagger impersonation to the test on stage but I > think he plays the guitar. On one programme they played in a pub in Camden > then packed up and all went back to his flat where, quess what,he cooked > them all a meal. > Don't know the name of the band though. >>>>> you know that could be important info. important as in it would be unspeakably dire if you stumbled into a club and they were playing ; we need to know things like this to save future embarassment. i hear that keanu reave's band is pretty good too.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:32:41 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: RE: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! >From: "Anna Ravegum" > >I was just thinking about that. I haven't done anything about it either, >other than buy more paints. > I say, less paints, more pants!!! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:57:09 -0400 From: "Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" Subject: Re: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! > >From: "Anna Ravegum" > > > >I was just thinking about that. I haven't done anything about it either, > >other than buy more paints. > > > I say, less paints, more pants!!! That's funny, I say just the opposite. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:58:23 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Auktyon touring Israel and US Auktyon is a fine Russian band that mixes free jazz with punk with world music. I highly recommend everyone to check them out Go to http://www.auktyon.com/ for tour dates and information as well as MP3 samples Syarzhuk ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:48:57 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: Bruce Gilbert to remix Madonna's hairdryer!!! Or maybe not. But wouldn't that be the ultimate in a 'cool' image makeover? Or perhaps she could hire Melt Banana as her new backing band, shave her head and cuss the pope. And isn't that oh so hip D. Bowie/Yamantaka Eye duet long overdue? Anyway I just thought I'd let you know that I've added an old Wire (Gilbert & Lewis) interview to the Cracked Machine website (I've also given the site a facelift and cleared up most of the annoying errors on it). The interview dates from 1987 (just after Ideal Copy was released). To read it go to http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Then either get to the interview via a link on the Bruce Gilbert/Beekeeper page or via the recent additions page, or else try http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine/grim.htm which will hopefully take you straight there... I've also added some archive Wire related reviews on the Colin Newman and Bruce Gilbert pages. Still haven't quite finished transcribing the Wire interview from the Garage (disgraceful isn't it?) And now let us consider two important factors: 1. I recommend the OCSID CD on Origin as by far the finest work Graham Lewis has been involved in outside of Wire & Dome. The first track is particularly stunning - like being slowly electrocuted by a pop pulse from which a sinister song unfurls which will appeal to those who rate 'Feed Me' highly. Definitely worth a listen for those who rate his more experimental tendencies... some very humourous bits on there too. 2. The GilbertPossStenger CD on WMO is also great, even though the recording doesn't really capture the utter density of their live sound... I think Susan Stenger's bass is maybe a little too low in the mix perhaps. Three guitars searching for angular noise ambulances that turn into rockets blast the sky screaming... the drone hones on... the night in question at Manchester Hacienda (recently squatted for impromptu parties since it was closed down) was sadly underattended but those present got some wax melted from their ears. Gilbert sliding up and down on the spot hot and ambitious, Stenger rocking slow and Poss grinning. Chris Carter played afterwards and seemed very nice and polite in comparison - always thought Throbbing Gristle were a bit over-rated anyway like em I do but not so much as some I know. Gimme Dome anyday! Another one for people whose attention spans can stretch beyond the average pop song duration - happy big dronesong x2! Nice remix follows. If you liked Kluba Cupol or Ab Ovo then get it! OK someone asked about the Gilbert Ovo mix 12" a long while back - yes it is v much worth hearing. One side is Ab Ovo condensed and the other is like a 'best of Bruce' for K-tel'era'd'vera and those with short spans who couldn't go the distance Inside Shivering Fruits for here they all are in about 12 mins or so? Haven't timed it actually but it really is a lovely bit of sculpture. One of my favourite records. Other essential BCG mixes IMO are the two he did on the Blast First / Disobey 'Deconstruct' compilation (like the Ovo mix it is quite likely out of print now) One is very short and transmutes Captain Beefheart into a breakfast cornflake chicken, and the other 8 min or so Swarm mixes up Sonic Youth, Einheit & Brotzmann and Phill Niblock to stunning hammer-drone effect - one to play over and over and only Christian Marclay's jump cuts really come close in terms of quality, although the whole compilation is blasted fine (also has early Philip Jeck, Hairballs era Stock, Hausen and Walkman and Michael Jackson's nemesis John Oswald). BCG remixing Scala on one of their singles was v beautiful too... also check out his hilarious 'Voice' um ur ru um nonsense babble cut upon Touch Sampler 3 (another damn fine compilation) and the National Grid noise onslaughts on the Disinformation Antiphony remixes on Ash International. Interrupting my train of thought - GBV are good, Radiohead are horrid Trans Am are awesome, Skrewdriver are squalid, Fibreglass Messiah PS> See also Trans Am interview on Cracked Machine!! PPS> Please please please don't mention morrissey, lord knows it wouldn't be the first time... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:18:06 -0500 From: "dMc" Subject: quick comments in re: originality, integrity and hamtramak > I live In Hamramck. I been on the list for a > > while now,but mostly lurk at least compared to you. > > What part of Detroit did you grow up in? > > Something probably went wrong with the reply thing, 'cause I've never set > foot in the States in my life. Sorry. > giluz Not sure who caught this thread, but I hail from Deetown. Born in Harper Hospital, first couple months in Highland Park (or so I was told) next 18-odd years in Birmingham (where the brits on the list would cringe at the pronunciation of Glouchester) Actually "grew up" in Chicago when I married - or maybe when my daughter was born - hell no, I havn't grown up yet. Hamtramak is a wonderful place (a little touch of Europe), and I was very sorry to hear of Lili's passing. > You're right there - the comparisons don't exactly fit. I think dMC meant > that Madonna and Gates are alike as far as pioneering in their fields is > concerned: Both didn't invent anything new, only copied (borrowed if you > like) from others, had a good business sense and knew how to market > themselves and their products. In this sense this comparison is not that far > from the truth. sortof what i meant - but i stand by the original statement > I was just thinking that its a shame Bill Gates does't have to constantly re-invent himself in order to > survive. ah - but he does - hence the rapid about-face on the importance of the internet some 6 years ago > I'd love to see Bill Gates in the JP Gaultier pointed Bra!!!!!!! i saw a promotional vid of him dressed as Austin Gates - International Man of Software with Steve Balmer as Dr. Evil Actually quite a hoot "I put the sin in syntax , baby!" Amazing how well he can be directed on film when in person, or impromptu, he is a stiff, uncomfortable and utterly unsympathetic character. Maybe that's is one difference, Madonna comes off better in person, on film she is stiff, uncomfortable... :) > > PhilipGlassKrillSlappHappyStereolabPrimalScreamThrobbingGristlePsychicTVCoil > FlipperBadBrainsDonByronSunRa.... IMHO - a pretty good set of names to check (no prog or wave ;) > Best, Anna aka Miss Anthropy (old dj name) ... > > Cale was sublime - especially where he sang > > (basically the Nico numbers) and it was astonishing to watch Sterling > > Morrison play. All up-strokes on the guitar, (rather like the way > > Mr Lewis > > plays the bass).....no wonder he's impossible to copy. a-ha > Sterling and Tucker - great musicians, too underrated. Try to imagine the > Velvets sound without them, then try to imagine rock without the Velvets' > sound the way it was. one of my great dissapointments in life was timing my only trip to Paris exactly 5 days after the Velvet's reunion > It's a pity about Cale, though - his releases in the last 10 years weren't > too good. The Nico ballet had some nice stuff in it, but it still wasn't > interesting enough. I wouldn't write him off just yet tho.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:09:00 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: Joy Division The BBC have just re-released the Joy Division Peel Sessions CD as 'The Complete BBC Sessions'. Its the same record re-packaged (albeit very well with a TV screen grab of a glassy-eyed Curtis caught mid hand jive on the cover) but with two extra tracks from their appearance on BBC2 'Something Else' and a little interview tagged on the end. Perhaps not worth having if you already own the original (I only had a badly taped copy so I got it) but essential otherwise as perhaps the nearest the likes of me will ever get to hear their live sound (all other official 'live' JD recordings are notoriously shoddy) stripped of Hannetts production. It also has the definitive versions of Exercise One and Sound of Music which oustrip the takes from 'Still' IMHO. The interview snippet is quite cute, sounding like a direct tape from Medium Wave radio by some avid listener in the dark days of '79 and features Richard Skinner on pop-tastic Radio One asking them if they are influenced by "...Machine Rock..." like Gary Numan! Steve does most of the talking but its quite startling to hear Curtis' voice which bears little resemblance to his gravelly vocals. I always suspected latter day JD vocals were heavily treated with harmonisers or pitch benders...surely this must have been the case as Curtis speaking voice seems in a much higher register. He sounds more like Barney Sumner, but with a more pronouncned Mancunian twang..not unlike Shaun Ryder! Weird eh? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:45:51 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! I am getting all sorts of great ideas from this list today!!!! haha - -- Katherine Pouliot kep99@hotmail.com > From: "Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" > Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:57:09 -0400 > To: sjgraziano@hotmail.com > Cc: cheesewhizz@earthlink.net, kep99@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org, > leekil@sculpey.bbn.com > Subject: Re: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! > >>> From: "Anna Ravegum" >>> >>> I was just thinking about that. I haven't done anything about it either, >>> other than buy more paints. >>> >> I say, less paints, more pants!!! > > > That's funny, I say just the opposite. > > > Lee > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:08:00 -0500 From: Rob Warnock Subject: Re: Favourite Videos (was Did You Know? - Do You Care?) giluz wrote: > > > > > COIL-Tainted Love (my absolute favorite) > > How did that look like? I've never seen a Coil video (didn't know they had > any). > > giluz It would be kind of hard for me to describe in any way I could do justice to it. It was to quote the Wax Trax! Black Box booklet, "a beautifully shot film serving as a somewhat depressing yet enlightening reminder of the ever-increasing human loss to the AIDS epidemic." Apparently a lot of people were upset when it came out because of the cameo Marc Almond made in it. To quote again, "If you think you are helping...by showing a man in bed, near death...and a man [Marc Almond] dressed in leather walking into the room, eating grapes, laughing and then leaving the room, then you are a very sick individual." Apparently a lot of the people who saw it didn't realize who Marc Almond was, or what the significance of having him appear in the video was. I'm pretty sure 90% of the people who were crazy about the Soft Cell version of "Tainted Love" wouldn't know who he is if he hit them over the head. Anyway, it's a video I try and show to anyone who I think would appreciate it. Unfortunately, I don't know how easy it is to come by these days. It was on one of the original Wax Trax! video compilations that are now long-out-of-print. It may have also been on the Black Box video, but I'm not positive. - -Rob- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:18:35 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: gig, upcoming, recommended In a message dated 8/8/00 2:01:10 PM, alan_gray@email.com writes: << Can anyone recommend any gigs/up and coming bands/ playing in the next couple of weeks? >> uh, not sure where y'all at, but in nyc thursday is...godspeed you black emperor! at the knitting factory. i will be at that one! - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:04:32 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: gig, upcoming, recommended Sometimes I wished I lived in NYC!!!! I'd love to check out the shows on 8/24 & 8/25, but I'll be packing to move. - -- Katherine Pouliot kep99@hotmail.com > From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com > Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:18:35 EDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: gig, upcoming, recommended > > > In a message dated 8/8/00 2:01:10 PM, alan_gray@email.com writes: > > << > Can anyone recommend any gigs/up and coming bands/ playing in the next > couple of weeks? >> > > uh, not sure where y'all at, but in nyc thursday is...godspeed you black > emperor! at the knitting factory. i will be at that one! > > -paul > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:21:37 -0500 From: "dMc" Subject: Re: toyah > >>>> i think i've missed this kevin. a bible-bashing chef , that's all we > need. is he on the same religious show that toyah "worlds least convincing > punk" wilcox is doing? seemed a logical career move for her following her > laughable music and acting efforts. i spend just as much time watching > religious shows as i do cook shows...... p i heard a rumour (unconfirmed), that ms. wilcox is the narrator of teletubbies (all we do is send acid rain and global warming - but YOU send us the teletubbies - i ain't fair) > I tend to ignore any religious programming, unless it's got a really funny > looking woman with big hair and makeup applied with a trowel, which is > relatively common for American religious programming. how is this different from toyah? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:14:30 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Bruce Gilbert to remix Madonna's hairdryer!!! > Or maybe not. But wouldn't that be the ultimate in a > 'cool' image makeover? Madonna with a mallet! giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:18:28 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Favourite Videos (was Did You Know? - Do You Care?) > what the significance of having him appear in the video was. I'm pretty > sure 90% of the people who were crazy about the Soft Cell version of > "Tainted Love" wouldn't know who he is if he hit them over the head. 90% of them wouldn't recognise Coil's cover as the same song. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:21:06 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! > OK, how many of you have contributed to Malka's project???? > (yeah that was > brought up a few weeks ago, I know.) > > I haven't a clue what to do, and was just curious how it's going for the > rest of us here... > > katherine I've got some ideas, but don't know what to do with them yet. Was there a deadline? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:28:46 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! well i sent something in yesterday. using the full extent of my (ahem) artistic talents. hope you all get to suffer it shortly.... p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! Author: MIME:kep99@hotmail.com at INTERNET Date: 09/08/00 10:07 OK, how many of you have contributed to Malka's project???? (yeah that was brought up a few weeks ago, I know.) I haven't a clue what to do, and was just curious how it's going for the rest of us here... katherine - -------------------- Katherine Pouliot kep99@hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #245 *******************************