From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #244 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, August 8 2000 Volume 03 : Number 244 Today's Subjects: ----------------- FW: Wire Video ["giluz" ] Re[2]: velvets vh1 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Wire Video ["giluz" ] Re[2]: velvets vh1 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: Ms. ciccone [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Re[2]: okay, Steve, here I am ["giluz" ] Re[4]: okay, Steve, here I am [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Re[4]: okay, Steve, here I am ["giluz" ] American English [timrobinson@cwcom.net] Re American English [alan gray ] Re: Re American English ["stephen graziano" ] Re: Re[2]: Ms. ciccone [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: velvets vh1 [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: Re[2]: Ms. ciccone ["giluz" ] [none] [alan gray ] [none] [alan gray ] Re[4]: velvets vh1 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[4]: Ms. ciccone [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Re[4]: velvets vh1 ["giluz" ] Re[6]: velvets vh1 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Re[6]: velvets vh1 ["giluz" ] RE: Re[6]: velvets & John Cale ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re[8]: velvets vh1 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Re[6]: velvets & John Cale ["giluz" ] Re: Re[6]: velvets & John Cale [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re[4]: velvets vh1 [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: Re[6]: velvets & John Cale ["giluz" ] Re Velvets vh1 [alan gray ] Re[6]: velvets vh1 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Why are we talking about Global Warming and not Wire ["Ciscon, Ray" ] RE: Why are we talking about Global Warming and not Wire ["giluz" ] Re: Re American English ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Surprise! New post, and ON topic! ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re: Re[6]: velvets & John Cale [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re[6]: velvets vh1 [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re[6]: velvets vh1 [MarkBursa@aol.com] mtv & videos ["Andrew Lumbard" ] the slang digression [Aaron Mandel ] RE: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! ["Ciscon, Ray" ] RE: re why are we on about global warming. ["Ciscon, Ray" ] C+M US gig ["Uri Baran" ] RE: Why are we talking about Global Warming and not Wire ["Ciscon, Ray" <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:52:24 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: FW: Wire Video - -----Original Message----- From: giluz [mailto:giluz@nettalk.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:52 AM To: Wilson, Paul Subject: RE: Wire Video > > I think she went to the Wireviews site, via Pink Flag. It must be > the video > that's been out for ages (the one done by the UK fan - I forget his name). > > She's right though. It is a cracking video - if you haven't seen it. > Basically the same material as on the CD-ROM, but I assume you > know all this > already. > > Paul K Wilson > Cheers. Is the Wire book available via the US site already? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:48:03 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: velvets vh1 Paul, << /////well i sat up and its on as i write this , and very good it looks too. its actually 93 so my memory is clearly worse than usual. lots of film of guys talking about playing together for the first time in 20 odd years , now who does this remind me of....... apparently reed and cale were at each others throats well before the end of the reunion tour , so that was it for a velvets reunion i guess. of course sterling m being dead doesn't help much either. i kick myself for missing the wembley gig. >> Very good it was....despite the fact that they played a fucking Janet Jackson video in one of the many ad breaks just before the end. What are these people on???? So they're short of ads. Play a Lou Reed video or something more appropriate! >>>>> the joy of taping stuff on vh1/mtv ; about 15 mins per hour of brain dead ads (quick aside ; how much do you reckon for a hit man on that naked chef guy? worth a whip round i reckon,,,,). I managed to get a ticket for the T&C gig on that tour, which was fantastic, despite Lou's rock star trip. Cale was sublime - especially where he sang (basically the Nico numbers) and it was astonishing to watch Sterling Morrison play. All up-strokes on the guitar, (rather like the way Mr Lewis plays the bass).....no wonder he's impossible to copy. >>>> i thought they just did one gig at wembley , which was what put me off. T&C would have been excellent i guess. p Could have sworn it was 92 - must be getting mixed up with Television (at the same venue) Mark >>>>> well i was just relying on what vh1 said ; so who knows? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:57:58 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Wire Video > > What Wire book? Everybody Loves a History ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:54:33 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: velvets vh1 wow , preferential treatment for the uk. well sorry you missed it , it was good stuff. i thought vh1 was the same all over europe? what did you get instead? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: velvets vh1 Author: MIME:sjgraziano@hotmail.com at INTERNET Date: 08/08/00 10:36 it's on in europe it's not on in america ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:27:56 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Ms. ciccone Quite so - especially when you consider the theories they're up against, such as Roger Scruton's absurd dismissals of popular music in books like "An Intelligent (sic) Person's Guide to Popular Culture". It's a culture war out there! >>>>> ah , roger scrotum. what a pretentious moron. how did he get in here? let's move on quick...... p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:47:36 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re[2]: okay, Steve, here I am > > > the guy who does it is called uri , his address is > uri.b@virgin.net. and its well worth having. actually its got an > israeli tv clip on there ; you're probably the only one here who > could read the subtitles....p > Yeah, I know. I've got the tape and it's great. Came as a complete surprise, though. Didn't catch it when it was first broadcast on Israeli TV. It's funny how Colin is described as the husband of a member of Minimal Compact, cause by that time MC were much more famous in Israel than Wire's ever been. Speaking of videos, does anyone have a copy of the Drill version broadcast on American daytime TV which was in the RFH gig (including the interview, of course)? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:51:35 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: okay, Steve, here I am > > > the guy who does it is called uri , his address is > uri.b@virgin.net. and its well worth having. actually its got an > israeli tv clip on there ; you're probably the only one here who > could read the subtitles....p > Yeah, I know. I've got the tape and it's great. Came as a complete surprise, though. Didn't catch it when it was first broadcast on Israeli TV. It's funny how Colin is described as the husband of a member of Minimal Compact, cause by that time MC were much more famous in Israel than Wire's ever been. >>>>> funny how MC never really got any sort of profile going in the uk. i think they played one gig here. i do like them now but in the 80's they passed me by completely. i think crammed discs had some good acts but never got any proper distribution going , presumably in mainland europe they had their act together? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:43:30 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re[4]: okay, Steve, here I am > > Yeah, I know. I've got the tape and it's great. Came as a > complete surprise, though. Didn't catch it when it was first > broadcast on Israeli TV. It's funny how Colin is described as the > husband of a member of Minimal Compact, cause by that time MC > were much more famous in Israel than Wire's ever been. > > >>>>> funny how MC never really got any sort of profile going in > the uk. i think they played one gig here. i do like them now but > in the 80's they passed me by completely. i think crammed discs > had some good acts but never got any proper distribution going , > presumably in mainland europe they had their act together? p > Yeah. That whole Belgium-Holland 80's scene was very interesting and was completely ignored by Anglo-Saxon countries. Most Europeans I spoke to (continental Europeans) remember Minimal Compact, they were quite well known at the times, being the most commercially successful band of Crammed at that time. Funnily enough, I met a Belgian who doesn't know who or what Wire is, but remembers Colin's mid-eighties Crammed albums (Commercial Suicide + It Seems). On the subject of MC, if you like them, there's a great post-MC CD made by the two guitarists called Foreign Affair - East On Fire - check it out (if it's available anywhere). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:35:22 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: American English On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 Katherine Pouliot wrote: >Don't get me wrong - I was ragged on a lot while growing up and I do enjoy a >good goof once in a while. For the benefit of those of us Europe and beyond, what does getting 'ragged on' involve (sounds kinda painful) , and what might a 'good goof' be?! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:30:26 -0400 (EDT) From: alan gray Subject: Re American English >Don't get me wrong - I was ragged on a lot while growing up and >I do enjoy a >good goof once in a while. >For the benefit of those of us Europe and beyond, what does >getting 'ragged >on' involve (sounds kinda painful) , and what might a 'good >goof' be?! I imagined this was; ragged on = having the pee extracted good goof = a laugh. But I'm sitting here in London watching a tremendous amount of rain falling outside,while on the news there is plenty about the US being on fire due to drought. After this "summer" will America do anything to stop cooking up the planet? In the past there was a lot of talk of El Nino which is a symptom of Global warming as a whole but sounds less threatening,to explain the freak weather. How about the fires? They seem to develope inland, did the gophers start them? or is the problem being taken seriously now. Off topic Alan - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:46:20 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: Re American English >How about the fires? They seem to develope inland, did the >gophers start them? or is the problem being taken seriously now. > >Off topic >Alan G.W. Bush has promised, that if elected, he will round up all the arsonist gophers and ship them off to some unpopular European country!! So watch out!! We'll show 'em that American gophers have the know how, the will, and the matches to burn the whole world down!! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:58:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Ms. ciccone << >>>>> ah , roger scrotum. what a pretentious moron. how did he get in here? let's move on quick..... >> Is he still alive? I haven't heard his name for about 15 years..... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:56:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: velvets vh1 Paul, << >>>>> the joy of taping stuff on vh1/mtv ; about 15 mins per hour of brain dead ads << Roll on cheap DVD-R machines so I can edit down everything I have on videotape..... >>(quick aside ; how much do you reckon for a hit man on that naked chef guy? worth a whip round i reckon,,,,). << Yep, add him to the list - along with everyone else anyone involved in TV cooking/gardening/house makeover programmes..... >>>> i thought they just did one gig at wembley , which was what put me off. T&C would have been excellent i guess. p >> I don't think it was well publicised. I had an inside track through a mate who works for Music Week. It was a real 'pinch yourself' gig - couldn't believe I'd ever get to see the VU - and that they would be so good.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:12:55 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Ms. ciccone > << >>>>> ah , roger scrotum. what a pretentious moron. how did he get in > here? let's move on quick..... >> > > Is he still alive? I haven't heard his name for about 15 years..... > > Mark Who is that guy? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:13:18 -0400 (EDT) From: alan gray Subject: [none] >How about the fires? They seem to develope inland, did the >gophers start them? or is the problem being taken seriously now. >G.W. Bush has promised, that if elected, he will round up all >the arsonist >gophers and ship them off to some unpopular European country!! >So watch >out!! We'll show 'em that American gophers have the know how, >the will, and >the matches to burn the whole world down!! Even if Bush gives them all a zippo lighter each they'd have problems setting fire to anything over here right now. Your signal crayfish have settled in nicely though. Alan - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: alan gray Subject: [none] >How about the fires? They seem to develope inland, did the >gophers start them? or is the problem being taken seriously now. >G.W. Bush has promised, that if elected, he will round up all >the arsonist >gophers and ship them off to some unpopular European country!! >So watch >out!! We'll show 'em that American gophers have the know how, >the will, and >the matches to burn the whole world down!! Even if Bush gives them all a zippo lighter each they'd have problems setting fire to anything over here right now. Your signal crayfish have settled in nicely though. Alan - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:17:35 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: velvets vh1 Paul, << >>>>> the joy of taping stuff on vh1/mtv ; about 15 mins per hour of brain dead ads << Roll on cheap DVD-R machines so I can edit down everything I have on videotape..... ///// wonder how far away they are? i think i've got about 60 x 4 hour tapes of badly indexed odd bits. should keep me off the streets for a bit. >>(quick aside ; how much do you reckon for a hit man on that naked chef guy? worth a whip round i reckon,,,,). << Yep, add him to the list - along with everyone else anyone involved in TV cooking/gardening/house makeover programmes..... ////// the cooks somehow get me worse. my idea of hell would be to have a gun with one bullet then gary rhodes and aynsley harriot come walking round the corner..... p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:21:38 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: Ms. ciccone he's a ludicrous right-wing "philosopher" who pops up in crappy newspapers with his knees jerking every so often. believe me you have missed nothing.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Re[2]: Ms. ciccone Author: MIME:giluz@nettalk.com at INTERNET Date: 08/08/00 15:12 > << >>>>> ah , roger scrotum. what a pretentious moron. how did he get in > here? let's move on quick..... >> > > Is he still alive? I haven't heard his name for about 15 years..... > > Mark Who is that guy? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:35:04 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re[4]: velvets vh1 > ////// the cooks somehow get me worse. my idea of hell would be > to have a gun with one bullet then gary rhodes and aynsley > harriot come walking round the corner..... > > p > With a bit of creativity you can overcome all of your problems: Put the cook next to a high cliff. Tie him to all the others with a (strong) rope, shoot him so he falls off the cliff. You don't need more than one bullet (you don't need a gun, you can just push). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:47:02 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[6]: velvets vh1 > ////// the cooks somehow get me worse. my idea of hell would be > to have a gun with one bullet then gary rhodes and aynsley > harriot come walking round the corner..... > > p > With a bit of creativity you can overcome all of your problems: Put the cook next to a high cliff. Tie him to all the others with a (strong) rope, shoot him so he falls off the cliff. You don't need more than one bullet (you don't need a gun, you can just push). giluz >>>>> or maybe gently persuade him to jump with a suitable kitchin implement? actually one of those shows bizarrely used the stranglers for all its incidental music (i was informed). punk rock souffles i guess.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:03:05 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re[6]: velvets vh1 > >>>>> or maybe gently persuade him to jump with a suitable > kitchin implement? actually one of those shows bizarrely used the > stranglers for all its incidental music (i was informed). punk > rock souffles i guess.p > That'll be Floyd using the Stranglers' Waltz in Black giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:02:13 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Re[6]: velvets & John Cale Someone earlier mentioned how John Cale hadn't put out anything good in the last 10 years, and I have to disagree with that. 'Wrong Way Up', his collaboration with Brian Eno was simply excellent. Although that release is just about 10 years old, so your statement is approaching truth... Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:09:51 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[8]: velvets vh1 indeed , apparently there was all sorts of other tracks used within the show too. i suspect not too much off "black & white" though (my favourite by a mile).p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Re[6]: velvets vh1 Author: MIME:giluz@nettalk.com at INTERNET Date: 08/08/00 16:00 > >>>>> or maybe gently persuade him to jump with a suitable > kitchin implement? actually one of those shows bizarrely used the > stranglers for all its incidental music (i was informed). punk > rock souffles i guess.p > That'll be Floyd using the Stranglers' Waltz in Black giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:19:22 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re[6]: velvets & John Cale > > Someone earlier mentioned how John Cale hadn't put out anything > good in the > last 10 years, and I have to disagree with that. > > 'Wrong Way Up', his collaboration with Brian Eno was simply excellent. > > Although that release is just about 10 years old, so your statement is > approaching truth... > That was me, and I agree with you - wrong way up was brilliant. It feels like much more than 10 years old, though. Welcome back, by the way. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:22:10 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[6]: velvets & John Cale Ray, << Someone earlier mentioned how John Cale hadn't put out anything good in the last 10 years, and I have to disagree with that. >> Songs for Drella was good too..... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:26:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: velvets vh1 Paul, << Roll on cheap DVD-R machines so I can edit down everything I have on videotape..... ///// wonder how far away they are? i think i've got about 60 x 4 hour tapes of badly indexed odd bits. should keep me off the streets for a bit. >> Same here. Except they're not indexed at all. Some don't even have sticky labels on the tape. That'll be the project after I've finished burning the best of the 300-odd C90s of bootlegs/peel sessions/demos etc on to CD-R! I should imagine you'll be able to get a DVD-R machine for a couple of hundred quid within a year or two..... Harriot, Rhodes or the dull twat called Kevin with the moustache who also does religious programmes??? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:35:56 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re[6]: velvets & John Cale > > Songs for Drella was good too..... > > > Mark But it was before Wrong Way Up, wasn't it? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: alan gray Subject: Re Velvets vh1 >>(quick aside ; how much do you reckon for a hit man on that >>naked chef guy? >>worth a whip round i reckon,,,,). << When the TV announced that the next programme would be the Naked Chef, my eight year old son said he hoped that he would be standing behind a table. The Naked chef Jamie whatever also plays in a band. I don't think he puts his Jagger impersonation to the test on stage but I think he plays the guitar. On one programme they played in a pub in Camden then packed up and all went back to his flat where, quess what,he cooked them all a meal. Don't know the name of the band though. Alan - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:46:35 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[6]: velvets vh1 Paul, << Roll on cheap DVD-R machines so I can edit down everything I have on videotape..... ///// wonder how far away they are? i think i've got about 60 x 4 hour tapes of badly indexed odd bits. should keep me off the streets for a bit. >> Same here. Except they're not indexed at all. Some don't even have sticky labels on the tape. That'll be the project after I've finished burning the best of the 300-odd C90s of bootlegs/peel sessions/demos etc on to CD-R! I should imagine you'll be able to get a DVD-R machine for a couple of hundred quid within a year or two..... Harriot, Rhodes or the dull twat called Kevin with the moustache who also does religious programmes??? Mark >>>> i think i've missed this kevin. a bible-bashing chef , that's all we need. is he on the same religious show that toyah "worlds least convincing punk" wilcox is doing? seemed a logical career move for her following her laughable music and acting efforts. i spend just as much time watching religious shows as i do cook shows...... p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:27:38 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: Why are we talking about Global Warming and not Wire Alan Gray wrote: >Don't get me wrong - I was ragged on a lot while growing up and >I do enjoy a >good goof once in a while. >For the benefit of those of us Europe and beyond, what does >getting 'ragged >on' involve (sounds kinda painful) , and what might a 'good >goof' be?! I imagined this was; ragged on = having the pee extracted good goof = a laugh. ======================= You're just about right on one, and totally off on the other! ragged on = being annoyed, abused, bothered by someone good goof = a joke, possibly a practical joke, a laugh ======================= But I'm sitting here in London watching a tremendous amount of rain falling outside,while on the news there is plenty about the US being on fire due to drought. After this "summer" will America do anything to stop cooking up the planet? In the past there was a lot of talk of El Nino which is a symptom of Global warming as a whole but sounds less threatening,to explain the freak weather. How about the fires? They seem to develope inland, did the gophers start them? or is the problem being taken seriously now. ======================= It's good to see that American's aren't the only group of people who make silly, uninformed statements about other countries. Some of the western US states are in the midst of a drought, but it's part of a normal cycle. Brush fires are part of the ecological cycle in that area of the country, and if they are prevented from happening, they can do much more damage months or years later. One of the biggest brush fires in the US this year was started when a government set 'controlled burn' got out of 'control' and burned up large segments of Los Alamos, New Mexico. There was a genuine fear for a while that the Nuclear Research laboratory in Los Alamos (birthplace of the atomic bomb) would be endangered by the fires, but it ended up unharmed. The fire was set by a government bureaucrat, you might call him a gopher, who ignored weather data that warned of the risk of the controlled burn spreading. The problem is taken seriously As for American's 'cooking up the planet', we American's are real wimps in the pollution business... you have to go to some of the 'workers paradises' like the former USSR, East Germany, and PRC to find REAL pollution. General air quality in the US is better than it's been since the 50's. As for Global Warming, here's an URL to check out for those of you living on islands who are worried about drowning: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000118613908976&rtmo=a2NesXRL&atmo=ooooo0Qb &pg=/et/00/8/6/wsea06.html It seems that contrary to the Global Warming theorists, the sea level is dropping, not rising. IMO, global climate is something that should be monitored, but yelling that 'the sky is falling' like chicken little does nothing but scare the children. This "summer" has been quite nice in most parts of the US. We in Chicago have had little or no complaints. Illinois farmers are having bumper crops. I've been to London on holiday and the air pollution there, particulate matter and soot to be specific, were worse than any large city in the U.S. I've visited. Regardless of that fact, London is still the only city in the world I could live without owning a car... I just love the tube system there... puts American mass transit to shame. Cheers, Ray (who has read the Green Party platform, and won't be voting for Ralph 'the hypocrite' Nader) Ciscon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:39:38 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Re[6]: velvets vh1 Paul Rabjohn wrote: Paul, << Roll on cheap DVD-R machines so I can edit down everything I have on videotape..... ///// wonder how far away they are? i think i've got about 60 x 4 hour tapes of badly indexed odd bits. should keep me off the streets for a bit. >> Same here. Except they're not indexed at all. Some don't even have sticky labels on the tape. That'll be the project after I've finished burning the best of the 300-odd C90s of bootlegs/peel sessions/demos etc on to CD-R! I should imagine you'll be able to get a DVD-R machine for a couple of hundred quid within a year or two..... Harriot, Rhodes or the dull twat called Kevin with the moustache who also does religious programmes??? Mark >>>> i think i've missed this kevin. a bible-bashing chef , that's all we need. is he on the same religious show that toyah "worlds least convincing punk" wilcox is doing? seemed a logical career move for her following her laughable music and acting efforts. i spend just as much time watching religious shows as i do cook shows...... p ====================== I tend to ignore any religious programming, unless it's got a really funny looking woman with big hair and makeup applied with a trowel, which is relatively common for American religious programming. I don't WANT to watch it, but it's like a train wreck... it's a horrible, disgusting thing, but you can't look away! :) As for cooking shows, you MUST experience THE IRON CHEF! It's some of the most unintentionally hilarious stuff you'll ever see! Last week I saw this depressed Japanese chef, he'd just lost to the reigning Iron Chef, who I thought was going to commit seppuku (ritual suicide)! Check it out, it's a good goof! Cheers, Ray Ciscon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:05:19 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Why are we talking about Global Warming and not Wire Ray wrote: >It seems that contrary to the Global Warming theorists, the sea level is >dropping, not rising. >IMO, global climate is something that should be monitored, but yelling that >'the sky is falling' like chicken little does nothing but scare the >children. A few days ago I was watching a programme about global warming. There's a great debate going on about it, but I was surprised to find out that the only fact we know for sure is that in the last 100 years (at least) man has made some significant changes to the climate. Anything regarding the outcome of these changes is, for now, just theory. But there are a few guidelines that I keep in mind: 1. I'm a great believer in the "expecting the worse" theory. 2. the climate is changing, at least in my country. 3. Pollution doesn't only affect the air, it affects other natural resources as well, and animals. So the sky might not fall on our heads tomorrow, but other things might happen. So we still have to find 'clean' energy solutions, even if things are not as bad as global warming theorists say. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:13:32 EDT From: "- hyponoise -" Subject: Re: Re American English >I imagined this was; >ragged on = having the pee extracted a bit off. being on the rag and/or ragging is slang for a female bleeding out through her vagina. asnicely as you can put it. so being ragged on = _________ its not a good thing. it dosnt neccasarly have to be used in refrance to a female ex "god damn bob quit ragging on me" >good goof = a laugh. sounds right - -jason , the coconut pokemon n . p . lamb . lamb www.mp3.com/wilt [snake!:underworld.king.of.snake:fan.rmxs] www.idrive.com/kosrmx1/files/shared/ www.idrive.com/kosrmx2/files/shared/ just because a cat has her kittens in the oven doesn’t make them biscuits ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:43:54 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: Re American English Wow, I needed that laugh. I wouldn't necessarily take everything you hear literally, Mr. pokemon. The first example was a bit off - as in not quite right. I wouldn't use it the way you explained. Yikes!! 'Ragging on' someone could mean picking on them - in the sense of making fun of or giving someone a difficult time. I will watch my words more carefully with you hanging around!! Katherine - -------------------- Katherine Pouliot kep99@hotmail.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: - hyponoise - To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Re American English >I imagined this was; >ragged on = having the pee extracted a bit off. being on the rag and/or ragging is slang for a female bleeding out through her vagina. asnicely as you can put it. so being ragged on = _________ its not a good thing. it dosnt neccasarly have to be used in refrance to a female ex "god damn bob quit ragging on me" >good goof = a laugh. sounds right - -jason , the coconut pokemon n . p . lamb . lamb www.mp3.com/wilt [snake!:underworld.king.of.snake:fan.rmxs] www.idrive.com/kosrmx1/files/shared/ www.idrive.com/kosrmx2/files/shared/ just because a cat has her kittens in the oven doesn't make them biscuits ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:58:24 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! OK, how many of you have contributed to Malka's project???? (yeah that was brought up a few weeks ago, I know.) I haven't a clue what to do, and was just curious how it's going for the rest of us here... katherine - -------------------- Katherine Pouliot kep99@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: alan gray Subject: re why are we on about global warming. >>ragged on = being annoyed, abused, bothered by someone Sorry if you were ragged on by my, off topic, global warming enquiry, Ray. It was not my intention to sound like a pea brained earwig, the gopher angle was my attempt to be humourous rather than heavy. (The earlier gopher/bush reply was the best laugh I've had today) A great many people accept that energy consumption is a factor in global warming, and that energy consumption in the US is on the high side. I will make an attempt to remain on topic in future, though the talk today has been as much about chefs,iron or naked. Did you see any bands while you were in London? Can anyone recommend any gigs/up and coming bands/ playing in the next couple of weeks? Alan - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:21:22 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[6]: velvets & John Cale Giluz, << But it was before Wrong Way Up, wasn't it? giluz >> er...not sure. drella was about 91 or 92 I guess, so they're from about the same time. What has Cale done since then? I've lost track.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:19:47 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[6]: velvets vh1 Paul, << >>>> i think i've missed this kevin. a bible-bashing chef , that's all we need. is he on the same religious show that toyah "worlds least convincing punk" wilcox is doing? seemed a logical career move for her following her laughable music and acting efforts. i spend just as much time watching religious shows as i do cook shows...... >> It may well be.....it's on Sunday morning. One of those god squad programmes that's dressed up to be a general 'magazine' programme....deeply subversive. Give me a good old hellfire preacher and an audience of inbreds speaking in tongues any day. Or thpeaking in tongueth, as Toyah would say. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:22:57 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[6]: velvets vh1 Ray, << As for cooking shows, you MUST experience THE IRON CHEF! It's some of the most unintentionally hilarious stuff you'll ever see! Last week I saw this depressed Japanese chef, he'd just lost to the reigning Iron Chef, who I thought was going to commit seppuku (ritual suicide)! >> Sounds more like it. Cooking shows where the loser dies. Celebrity Death Cook. Harriot vs Rhodes....the winner gets to fry the loser... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:38:48 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: mtv & videos There has been recent discussion about mtv & videos on the list. Check out www.mtv2.co.uk and create your own viewers hour. Choose 14 vids for broadcast on mtv2. The Wire choices are In Vivo, Drill & Eardrum Buzz. Mtv2 is cable and digital broadcast in the UK, before anyone asks. But I guess you don't have to be a viewer to choose. AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: the slang digression On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Ciscon, Ray wrote: > Alan Gray wrote: > > I imagined this was; > ragged on = having the pee extracted > good goof = a laugh. > ======================= > > You're just about right on one, and totally off on the other! > > ragged on = being annoyed, abused, bothered by someone > good goof = a joke, possibly a practical joke, a laugh I'm confused. What's the big difference between annoying/abusing someone and taking the piss? I always thought they were very similar. Just listened to "Daydreamer" for the first time since it was popular, and it's such a perfect imitation that I can't help enjoying it. I remember at the time being somewhat indignant that they were getting 'famous' by ripping Wire off, but what's the problem? Compared to what we've got now, I can't see any negative side to the idea of pop radio being full of people trying to imitate Chairs Missing. The boys might even make some money off it. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:33:07 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Surprise! New post, and ON topic! Katherine Pouliot wrote: OK, how many of you have contributed to Malka's project???? (yeah that was brought up a few weeks ago, I know.) I haven't a clue what to do, and was just curious how it's going for the rest of us here... ================== I've got ideas, I just don't have the time! Between business travel, GenCon this week, I've got a graphic design side project, and I'm studying to take my final MCSE exam! I'm getting way too stressed! Time to put on IBTABA and let 'Boiling Boy' and 'Kidney Bingos' relax me.... Cheers, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:36:48 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: re why are we on about global warming. Alan Gray wrote: >>ragged on = being annoyed, abused, bothered by someone Sorry if you were ragged on by my, off topic, global warming enquiry, Ray. It was not my intention to sound like a pea brained earwig, the gopher angle was my attempt to be humourous rather than heavy. (The earlier gopher/bush reply was the best laugh I've had today) A great many people accept that energy consumption is a factor in global warming, and that energy consumption in the US is on the high side. I will make an attempt to remain on topic in future, though the talk today has been as much about chefs,iron or naked. Did you see any bands while you were in London? Can anyone recommend any gigs/up and coming bands/ playing in the next couple of weeks? ============ No worries, Alan! We're all adults here. No, I was not fortunate enough to see any shows during my last foray to the UK... I did see a couple of wonderful stage plays tho! There's a very slight chance the wife and I might get to London sometime in October. If that's the case, I'll definitely be looking to catch someone live. BTW, how is the weather in London in October? Cheers, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:43:19 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: the slang digression Aaron Mandel wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Ciscon, Ray wrote: > Alan Gray wrote: > > I imagined this was; > ragged on = having the pee extracted > good goof = a laugh. > ======================= > > You're just about right on one, and totally off on the other! > > ragged on = being annoyed, abused, bothered by someone > good goof = a joke, possibly a practical joke, a laugh I'm confused. What's the big difference between annoying/abusing someone and taking the piss? I always thought they were very similar. ============= It might mean the same thing to you, but I've never heard the expression 'taking the piss' or 'having the pee extracted' before in my life? Is that UK slang? We use the expression 'pissing off', or 'pissing someone off', but not in the manner you've used! I love learning new slang! Cheers, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:41:13 -0700 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: C+M US gig FYI Immersion/C+M plus Alex Patterson/The Orb @ the Knitting Factory NYC 24th & 25th August 2000. We will be playing a combination of Immersion & "live" style material as a full a/v show. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:20:08 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Why are we talking about Global Warming and not Wire Giluz wrote: Ray wrote: >It seems that contrary to the Global Warming theorists, the sea level is >dropping, not rising. >IMO, global climate is something that should be monitored, but yelling that >'the sky is falling' like chicken little does nothing but scare the >children. A few days ago I was watching a programme about global warming. There's a great debate going on about it, but I was surprised to find out that the only fact we know for sure is that in the last 100 years (at least) man has made some significant changes to the climate. Anything regarding the outcome of these changes is, for now, just theory. But there are a few guidelines that I keep in mind: 1. I'm a great believer in the "expecting the worse" theory. 2. the climate is changing, at least in my country. 3. Pollution doesn't only affect the air, it affects other natural resources as well, and animals. So the sky might not fall on our heads tomorrow, but other things might happen. So we still have to find 'clean' energy solutions, even if things are not as bad as global warming theorists say. giluz =================== I agree with most of what you say. I'm a 'glass half full' kind of guy, and all of the professional environmental paranoids who've predicted total environmental collapse and the end of civilization in the past have been totally wrong. Take one example, Paul Erlich, the author of 'The Population Bomb' predicted that most of us would be dead because of the huge population growth. The climate IS changing , but that's NORMAL. The archeological record shows DRASTIC climatic change throughout history, and if you do your research you will find a large number of scientists who claim that we are headed toward another ICE AGE, not global warming. I think that Americans learned their lesson in the 1970's, and for the most part we've got better air, water, and there's less industrial pollution now than in decades. I'm all for support and even subsidies of 'clean' energy solutions, particularly nuclear fusion, which would make the elimination of the internal combustion engine a probability, not a possibility. I'm also a big fan of orbital solar energy reflectors/collectors. Enough from me on this, Ray (a Teddy Roosevelt Conservationist) Ciscon ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #244 *******************************