From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #229 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, July 25 2000 Volume 03 : Number 229 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Killing Joke... again... [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: Re[2]: Killing Joke... again... [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: wire 25th anniversary [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] In defense of RockPost ["giluz" ] Gareth Jones [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: Killing Joke... again... [John Roberts ] Re: Mute Comment [John Roberts ] Re: Killing Joke... again... [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: Ted [John Roberts ] 'And here's something to cheer you up/Did you know they have free phones in Cuba?' [John Roberts ] Re[2]: Ted [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Re[2]: Killing Joke... again... [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: 'And here's something to cheer you up/Did you know they [paul.rabjoh] Re: 'And here's something to cheer you up/Did you know they [John Robert] Re: Ted [Howard Spencer ] Re: Ted ["tube disaster" ] Re: Ted ["stephenjohnstone" ] GbV's thoughts on Wire ["Steven Mindy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:30:27 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: Killing Joke... again... I'm 99.9% sure that Killing Joke sued Nirvana for blatent abuse of copyright laws. Chris. Creatured on 21/07/2000 19:43:44 To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: Killing Joke... again... Amazing how similar they sound. MAybe it is a tribute to Killing Joke by Kurt. - --- fernando wrote: > At 01:35 AM 7/21/00, Jason Borchers wrote: > > >Now I know who did that "Eighties" song... > > That was Nirvana... better known as "Come as you are"... though a bit > slow > to make it more of a love song. > > ;o) > > -fernando > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:51:37 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: Re[2]: Killing Joke... again... Sorry Paul. I'm a little hasty on the reply button this morning. Chris. paul.rabjohn@ssab.com on 24/07/2000 08:19:19 To: idealcopy@smoe.org, creature48212@yahoo.com cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re[2]: Killing Joke... again... killing joke sued nirvana and won over that one.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Killing Joke... again... Author: MIME:creature48212@yahoo.com at INTERNET Date: 7/21/00 8:51 PM Amazing how similar they sound. MAybe it is a tribute to Killing Joke by Kurt. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:49:54 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: wire 25th anniversary 1st gig as 5 piece 2nd dec 1976 1st gig as 4 piece 1st april 1977 >>>>> there's the info. i guess we have to call the dec 76 one the start of it all. somebody ought to remind george gill.p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:44:20 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: In defense of RockPost > > and i wish to add a dissenting voice here - i found futureworld > annoying to the extreme > post-rock with sax and vocoder sounded better as an idea (and in > hindsight doesn't sound that good as an idea) > i had liked a couple of earlier recordings, and was actually > quite excited/dissappointed with this one > the whold postrock thing was a big flaxsh for me > i got real excited, listened to a bunch of it and got real bored > - all in a few months I like Futureworld, actually for the same reasons you don't like it. As for the post-rock thing - it's not something revolutionary new, but it's the 1st rock concept that enables new guitar music for the last 10 years or so. Some good music have and will come out of it, and some bad music as well. At least it stopped the "guitar rock is dead" nonsense (which I thought was true for a time). It's nice to listen to new non-mainstream music which is not wholly electronically or sample based. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:33:19 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Gareth Jones If anyone's interested Gareth jones (producer of Wire etc.) has a small site. Just click: http://www.garethjones.com/ Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:56:38 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: Killing Joke... again... Yes, but have you ever been in a pub with Nevermind on the jukebox and some bright spark puts Polly on and then there's a 15 min gap of silence followed by Endless Nameless. Frightens the life out of the locals. John Roberts On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, tube disaster wrote: > > >>-Carl, who had to get the German import of the CD single to get "Endless > >>Nameless" because he has one of the early pressings of 'Nevermind'. > > At least I wasn't the only one ... > > Dan > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:04:18 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: Mute Comment > House a few homeless people? Now there's a thought - does anyone of you > know about a record company that actually uses parts of their profits to > do something charitable or - oops, I said it - political? Rough Trade Distribution and its associated company, The Cartel, (neither to be confused with Rough Trade shops or Rough Trade label) were set up as a co-operative when Mr Travis let the workers have a certain % of the shares. Now this might sound philanthropic but it also had the effect of stopping anyone thinking that it was necessary to join a union and resulted in people working ridiculous hours in sweatshop conditions without overtime pay. Cynical, moi? Reason: I was one of the first lot to be made redundant by Rough Trade and actually got some redundancy compensation - because they went for the regional offices first. Those who worked in London and were the next to go didn't get a penny. In Mr Miller's favour I think he wrote off a massive debt owed to Mute from RT - but then again he was adamant that he didn't want to be distributed by a major in the UK. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:10:46 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: Killing Joke... again... That's a good one! Hidden tracks - hours of amusement. Now to find a pub with a jukebox..... Chris. John Roberts on 24/07/2000 15:56:38 To: tube disaster cc: wire mailing list (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: Killing Joke... again... Yes, but have you ever been in a pub with Nevermind on the jukebox and some bright spark puts Polly on and then there's a 15 min gap of silence followed by Endless Nameless. Frightens the life out of the locals. John Roberts On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, tube disaster wrote: > > >>-Carl, who had to get the German import of the CD single to get "Endless > >>Nameless" because he has one of the early pressings of 'Nevermind'. > > At least I wasn't the only one ... > > Dan > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:12:26 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: Ted Prefects get favourable mention(s) in ye olde Sniffin Glue. I only know of the Peel Session 12" and that some of the tracks on NIghtingales posthumous What A Carry On CD seem to have been leftovers from Prefects. I must admit to getting into the Nightingales *very* late i.e. ten years ago. The shame. Tho I did enjoy Mr Lloyd's solo outing post-Nightingales. Saw him at Burberries in Birmingham once - pissed as a fart as you'd expect. Him that is. Oh, I was too, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:16:15 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: 'And here's something to cheer you up/Did you know they have free phones in Cuba?' http://www.dot-dash.freeserve.co.uk/nightingales.html John Roberts > I'd say so. I'm a pretty avid fan of the subgenre, but all I've ever managed > to find by the Prefects was a cassette of the Peel Sessions EP in a local > cutout bin 3 or 4 years ago. And all I've ever been able to find of the > Nightingales was a copy of Pigs on Purpose at a used store around the same > time. > > Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:45:11 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Killing Joke... again... apparently the firm who make pub jukeboxes use "in utero" as the benchmark for whether a pub can take "alternative" stuff. if that takes some money then they'll pile a load of obscure stuff in there after it. i was in a bar in alice springs and i put "heart shaped box" on , about 20 locals just got up and walked out leaving me alone with a very pissed off bar owner.that was a long drink.p ps do any pubs have wire on the jukebox? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Killing Joke... again... Author: MIME:jarobert@dmu.ac.uk at INTERNET Date: 7/24/00 5:05 PM Yes, but have you ever been in a pub with Nevermind on the jukebox and some bright spark puts Polly on and then there's a 15 min gap of silence followed by Endless Nameless. Frightens the life out of the locals. John Roberts On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, tube disaster wrote: > > >>-Carl, who had to get the German import of the CD single to get "Endless > >>Nameless" because he has one of the early pressings of 'Nevermind'. > > At least I wasn't the only one ... > > Dan > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:45:29 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: Re[2]: Killing Joke... again... > ps do any pubs have wire on the jukebox? If they've got the World's Greatest Punk LP you're in for a treat: I am the Fly is on there. Plus a few other less than obvoius toe tappers (Mongoloid springs immediately to mind). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:45:35 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Ted Tho I did enjoy Mr Lloyd's solo outing post-Nightingales. Saw him at Burberries in Birmingham once - pissed as a fart as you'd expect. Him that is. Oh, I was too, of course. >>>> was that "robert lloyd and the new 4 seasons"? now that was a crap band name.p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:56:07 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: Re[2]: Killing Joke... again... Another unhappy pub: The Roman Ridge in Doncaster after a friend put The Wolfhounds on (can't remember which track). Didn't go down too well. Chris. paul.rabjohn@ssab.com on 24/07/2000 17:45:11 To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net, jarobert@dmu.ac.uk cc: idealcopy@smoe.org (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re[2]: Killing Joke... again... apparently the firm who make pub jukeboxes use "in utero" as the benchmark for whether a pub can take "alternative" stuff. if that takes some money then they'll pile a load of obscure stuff in there after it. i was in a bar in alice springs and i put "heart shaped box" on , about 20 locals just got up and walked out leaving me alone with a very pissed off bar owner.that was a long drink.p ps do any pubs have wire on the jukebox? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Killing Joke... again... Author: MIME:jarobert@dmu.ac.uk at INTERNET Date: 7/24/00 5:05 PM Yes, but have you ever been in a pub with Nevermind on the jukebox and some bright spark puts Polly on and then there's a 15 min gap of silence followed by Endless Nameless. Frightens the life out of the locals. John Roberts On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, tube disaster wrote: > > >>-Carl, who had to get the German import of the CD single to get "Endless > >>Nameless" because he has one of the early pressings of 'Nevermind'. > > At least I wasn't the only one ... > > Dan > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:55:25 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: 'And here's something to cheer you up/Did you know they http://www.dot-dash.freeserve.co.uk/nightingales.html >>>> hey,that's really good. i've only got a fraction of that stuff. never see it around now either. used to see rob l around brum quite a bit , wonder what he's up to now? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:58:54 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: 'And here's something to cheer you up/Did you know they Last I heard of Mr Lloyd was that he was a columnist for a Racing Paper. I hope his form with the gee gees was better than his form with his record companies. John Roberts On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > http://www.dot-dash.freeserve.co.uk/nightingales.html > > >>>> hey,that's really good. i've only got a fraction of that stuff. never see it around now either. used to see rob l around brum quite a bit , wonder what he's up to now? p > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:14:55 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: Re: Ted Eek Paul , i'm way out of this on the nightingales - almost as far out of it as I am with GmV, who, as a high court judge, I had never even heard of. Were the nighties on `pillows and prayers' - think they may have been. I'll drag it out this evening. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:17:20 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Ted >Eek Paul , i'm way out of this on the nightingales - almost as far out >of it as I am with GmV, who, as a high court >judge, I had never even heard of. Were the nighties on `pillows and >prayers' - think they may have been. I'll drag it out this evening. I'm 99 percent sure they were ... I taped bits & pieces of it off a friend back around '84, though, & don't have an actual copy around to check. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:04:35 +0100 From: "stephenjohnstone" Subject: Re: Ted > Eek Paul , i'm way out of this on the nightingales - almost as far out > of it as I am with GmV, who, as a high court > judge, I had never even heard of. Were the nighties on `pillows and > prayers' - think they may have been. I'll drag it out this evening. > > The Nightingales were on Pillows and Prayers which is a smashing album, and was I the highest selling indie album of all time in the UK until all that baggy shite started in 89. Steve > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:08:20 -0400 From: "Steven Mindy" Subject: GbV's thoughts on Wire Well, long after the discussion regarding GbV took place, I thought I'd add my small bit of input... At a show in Buffalo, NY (my hometown), I asked Robert Pollard if they would ever play a Wire song. He said they don't even know how to play most of their own songs, let alone other people's (they played "Blessed State" a year later). Then, someone asked him what Wire would think of GbV. Sr. Pollard said something to the effect of "oh, they'd probably hate us, we're way too sloppy and goofy..." He also stated that Robert Gotobed was his favorite drummer (followed by a parental "Robert, go to bed!) and "Map Ref." was his favorite Wire song. 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