From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #222 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, July 19 2000 Volume 03 : Number 222 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: cocteaus/cure [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] RE: cocteaus/cure ["giluz" ] RE: cocteaus/cure [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: Cocteau Twins [Ian Calder ] Re: GbV / "Wire" the song ["Josh Zarbo" ] Re: GbV / "Wire" the song ["Josh Zarbo" ] Re: Re[2]: cocteaus/cure ["stephen graziano" ] Re: Re[2]: cocteaus/cure ["stephenjohnstone" ] Re: Cocteau Twins ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re: GbV [Andy Gower ] Re: GbV [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: GbV ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re: GbV [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: GbV [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: GbV [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: GbV [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: GbV [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: GbV [Aaron Mandel ] Re: GbV [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: GbV ["tube disaster" ] Re: GbV ["tube disaster" ] Re: GbV [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: cave (was RE: cocteaus/cure) [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] RE: GbV ["giluz" ] RE: GbV ["giluz" ] RE: cave (was RE: cocteaus/cure) ["giluz" ] Re[4]: cocteaus/cure [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:30:45 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: cocteaus/cure Steve, You really like "Kicking Against The Pricks"? I'm not overly impressed with this (the recording not your opinion!). My top Nick Cave album would be Henry's Dream. But saying that I haven't had the crooner anywhere near my CD player for a fair few months. Apparently, there will be a new album out in the Autumn. Chris. "stephenjohnstone" on 18/07/2000 18:34:35 To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: cocteaus/cure I have all 3 of TMC's albums, I have to say that Filigree and Shadows would be one of my top 3 most played albums. Only beaten by the The Bad Seeds "Kicking Against the Pricks"" and Felt's "The Strange Idols Pattern and..............." Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 4:23 PM Subject: cocteaus/cure > playing an old tape i did years ago of pink flag , i'd put a few tracks off "it'll end in tears" to fill it up. always loved that "not me". question ; anyone heard the other 2 TMC albums. particularly i wonder what they did with "alone". anyone heard it? > > just looking at the magazine website and they've reprinted an old interview from 1980 , promoting "soap". journalist comments its getting to be like 1975 again , slagging OMD and commenting "we already have a new Genesis in the esteemed Cure". couldn't resist passing that one on....... > > p > - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.166 / Virus Database: 79 - Release Date: 20/06/00 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:11:21 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: cocteaus/cure > Steve, > > You really like "Kicking Against The Pricks"? I'm not overly > impressed with > this (the recording not your opinion!). My top Nick Cave album would be > Henry's Dream. But saying that I haven't had the crooner anywhere near my > CD player for a fair few months. > Apparently, there will be a new album out in the Autumn. > > Chris. > Kicking Against the Pricks was a fine album. Personally, From Her to Eternity is my favourite. Anything after (and including) The Good Son doesn't have that balance between kitch and darkness that was so great in the early albums. But no matter how bad his late albums are (and they're not really bad, just not to my tastes), he's still great on stage. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:13:01 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: RE: cocteaus/cure Agreed. Live Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds put on a pretty good gig. Not too sure about the "Love Song Lecture". Chris. "giluz" on 18/07/2000 12:11:21 To: "IdealCopy" cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: RE: cocteaus/cure > Steve, > > You really like "Kicking Against The Pricks"? I'm not overly > impressed with > this (the recording not your opinion!). My top Nick Cave album would be > Henry's Dream. But saying that I haven't had the crooner anywhere near my > CD player for a fair few months. > Apparently, there will be a new album out in the Autumn. > > Chris. > Kicking Against the Pricks was a fine album. Personally, From Her to Eternity is my favourite. Anything after (and including) The Good Son doesn't have that balance between kitch and darkness that was so great in the early albums. But no matter how bad his late albums are (and they're not really bad, just not to my tastes), he's still great on stage. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:28:45 +0100 From: Ian Calder Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins I'd say that 'Head Over Heels' is well worth a listen as a first foray, the CD edition also includes the 'Sunburst and Snowblind' EP too. It includes some 'Garlands' I loved when it came out and do still like, its definitely their darker sounding material (a hint of Banshees in their musically). 'Heaven or Las Vegas', their last album for 4AD is very good and probably also a good introduction. Their final album, 'Milk and Kisses' has its moments (such as 'Violaine' and 'Serpentskirt'), as more polished revision of the mid-period material. Some of my favourite Cocteaus material was on EPs and compilations though - the 'Lullabies' EP is fantastic, for example. However... if you hurry you can order the 4AD-era CDs for £6.99 each from Sister Ray (who do mail order) in London - a darn fine price, but only available for a few weeks. http://www.sisterray.co.uk And... Someone was asking about Scottish fans of Wire - I'm one, though I'm not living in Scotland any longer (for the moment, at least). Ian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:44:06 PDT From: "Josh Zarbo" Subject: Re: GbV / "Wire" the song Bee Thousand is a good start. Most I've met consider it to be one their best, if not the best album they've released. Propeller is another one that you might want to check out. They have a lot of material so you'll have some choices. Stay as far away from Mag Earwhig (sp?) as you can. Joshua > >Can anyone recommend a good GBV CD to get? I have heard so much about >them, >and know that they are produced by Ric Ocasek (Cars fame), which sounds >intriguing. My problem is that the only song I've ever heard by GBV >sucked, >IMO (Hold on Hope or something like that, recent). So, any >recommendations >are helpful, please recommend something for me... I'd like to check them >out. >thanks! >Katherine > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Paul Pietromonaco >To: The Ideal Copy >Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 5:36 PM >Subject: Re: GbV / "Wire" the song > > > > >"Subspace Biographies" could have been on _A-Z_, actually - it's the > > way > > >that trumpety synth line doggedly persists despite the guitar's chord > > >changes. > > > > > > > I definitely agree. That's one of my favorite non-Wire Wire songs. > > > > (^_^) > > > > -Paul > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:44:27 PDT From: "Josh Zarbo" Subject: Re: GbV / "Wire" the song Bee Thousand is a good start. Most I've met consider it to be one their best, if not the best album they've released. Propeller is another one that you might want to check out. They have a lot of material so you'll have some choices. Stay as far away from Mag Earwhig (sp?) as you can. Joshua > >Can anyone recommend a good GBV CD to get? I have heard so much about >them, >and know that they are produced by Ric Ocasek (Cars fame), which sounds >intriguing. My problem is that the only song I've ever heard by GBV >sucked, >IMO (Hold on Hope or something like that, recent). So, any >recommendations >are helpful, please recommend something for me... I'd like to check them >out. >thanks! >Katherine > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Paul Pietromonaco >To: The Ideal Copy >Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 5:36 PM >Subject: Re: GbV / "Wire" the song > > > > >"Subspace Biographies" could have been on _A-Z_, actually - it's the > > way > > >that trumpety synth line doggedly persists despite the guitar's chord > > >changes. > > > > > > > I definitely agree. That's one of my favorite non-Wire Wire songs. > > > > (^_^) > > > > -Paul > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:20:33 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: Re[2]: cocteaus/cure It's beautiful, mysterious, and lush > >so what do you think of TMC's version of "alone"? p > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:18:31 +0100 From: "stephenjohnstone" Subject: Re: Re[2]: cocteaus/cure Alone is a great cover version. Caroline Seaman's vocals are brilliant on it. Does anyone no anything about other stuff she has done. Continuing on covers, I once saw That Petrol Emotion doing a superb version of Mannequin live in Aberdeen. Not bad considering most of their own work was complete shite. Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: Re[2]: cocteaus/cure > so what do you think of TMC's version of "alone"? p > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: cocteaus/cure > Author: MIME:stephenjohnstone@breathemail.net at INTERNET > Date: 7/17/00 7:52 PM > > > I have all 3 of TMC's albums, I have to say that Filigree and Shadows would be one of my top 3 most played albums. Only beaten by the The Bad Seeds "Kicking Against the Pricks"" and Felt's "The Strange Idols Pattern and..............." > > Steve > > > - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.166 / Virus Database: 79 - Release Date: 20/06/00 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:45:55 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: cocteaus/cure > > > > Has Nick Cave (and/or the Bad Seeds/Birthday Party) ever done a bad album? > I don't think so. ... > Here we come to that same thing I wrote about King Crimson - I'd expect Nick Cave to make good albums, not only 'not bad' ones. Not bad's something for mediocre or worse artists. Nick Cave's made some great ones, and some 'not bad' ones. I'd rate the not bad ones (such as the Good Son) as bad, just because they were made by him and not by some commercial boys or girls band. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:56:39 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins I'm glad to hear your opinion of Milk & Kisses. When I first got it, I wasn't sure what to think. It's definitely mellow, melodious. Some of the fans that prefer the dark stuff I'm sure think it's total crap. But when I'm in the mood to be quiet I listen to that CD. It's not necessarily bad because it's not dark, just that it's not dark. haha katherine - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins > > In a message dated 7/17/00 5:37:21 AM, Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk writes: > > << > What would be the best Cocteau Twins album to purchase? >> > > i am totally in love with the album, victorialand. it's their first real > venture into softer sounds, but it retains the dark "goth" feel of the rest > of the early work. my favorite songs by them come from their incredible > assortment of 12" singles, eps. the best are aikea-guinea, tiny dynamine, > echoes in a shallow bay, and love's easy tears, all coming from what could be > called their "middle period". treasure is fantastic. a nice endcap to the > early period, and lead in to the middle period. while i do like everything > they've done, heaven or las vegas was never near the top of my list. milk and > kisses, a later work, is a nice return to some of the sounds i preferred from > years before. > > -paul > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:22:32 -0700 From: Andy Gower Subject: Re: GbV >From: "tube disaster" >zippo-waving rock-ballad. Hopefully it's now out of his system. (The CD's >first single -- Hold On Hope was the 2nd, afaik -- was the far worthier >Teenage FBI, which I actually heard on the radio here about a year ago ... >Till the DJ identified it after playing it, I assumed it came off the new >Rentals [a used copy of which I bought just a couple of days ago], so >non-GBV-esque was Ocasek's touch.) The first single from DtC was actually "Surgical Focus", then "Teenage FBI" (as featured on the Buffy The Vampire Slayer show), and finally "Hold On Hope". Paul's history is very accurate and as far as recommendations for starting at GbV go, starting at the new _Hold On Hope_ EP and working backwards (Do The Collapse, Mag Earwhig!, Under The Bushes Under The Stars, Alien Lanes, Bee Thousand etc.) would probably work out the best. The new HOH EP features the unliked single, but includes a good mix of rock tunes and stranger stuff. It's also cheaper than a full album. I would also recommend checking out their live shows where they ignore ballads and play their rocking anthems. (If you find the live album _Jellyfish Reflector_, that's their best live album out, until they release their new live album recorded at CBGB's in New York the day they recorded their appearance on Conan O'Brien) Andy Gower, "Macho Business Donkey Wrestler" agower@telus.net Vancouver, Canada http://a3a87000.sympatico.bconnected.net/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:36:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: GbV On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Andy Gower wrote: > The first single from DtC was actually "Surgical Focus", then "Teenage FBI" > (as featured on the Buffy The Vampire Slayer show), and finally "Hold On > Hope". > Alright, this is *way* off - but exactly in what episode of _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_ was "Teenage FBI" featured? (Yes, I'm outing myself on this list as a Buffy fan...) I'd read about this, but apparently entranced with something Willow was saying, never heard the song on any episode. > Paul's history is very accurate and as far as recommendations for starting > at GbV go, starting at the new _Hold On Hope_ EP and working backwards (Do > The Collapse, Mag Earwhig!, Under The Bushes Under The Stars, Alien Lanes, > Bee Thousand etc.) would probably work out the best. The new HOH EP > features the unliked single, but includes a good mix of rock tunes and > stranger stuff. It's also cheaper than a full album. I would also recommend > checking out their live shows where they ignore ballads and play their > rocking anthems. (If you find the live album _Jellyfish Reflector_, that's > their best live album out, until they release their new live album recorded > at CBGB's in New York the day they recorded their appearance on Conan > O'Brien) I'll second the thanks for Paul's useful history but offer a few minor corrections and quibbles: The stuff going backward from _Bee Thousand_ is even more rawly recorded than B000 or _Alien Lanes_ - I'd count those two as their own phase, with maybe the release prior to B000 (title forgotten - help me?) included in this phase as well. As far as I know, the band never really broke up in terms of there being no GBV - but I could be wrong. Cobra Verde still functions as its own band, although apparently Doug Gillard has left it. Tobin Sprout's paintings are indeed marvelous, but he hasn't quit music to do them (or if he has, it wasn't at the same time he left GBV). He's released three or four solo albums showing songwriting more wistful and sometimes melancholic than Pollard's, as well as a more pop-focused sense of melody (as opposed to Pollard's larger infusion of rock). And I like "Hold on Hope," so sue me. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:03:23 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: GbV Hi Jeffrey, Ok, there's no need to sue you for liking HOH. Surely you remember how much ragging I took for mentioning that I liked ELO back in the late 70's (20+ years ago, ahem) so I think you can handle the *one* mention by me that I think HOH sucked! really now! So, is GbV like Phish or something?? Sounds like a similar type of deal to me. If I'm not wrong, then give me a name of the, I mean THE song to check out by them to prove me wrong... I'd like to find something about this band that I like, given all that people say about them, just haven't been successful yet. Katherine - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: Grand Mute Proof Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: Re: GbV > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Andy Gower wrote: > > > The first single from DtC was actually "Surgical Focus", then "Teenage FBI" > > (as featured on the Buffy The Vampire Slayer show), and finally "Hold On > > Hope". > > > > Alright, this is *way* off - but exactly in what episode of _Buffy the > Vampire Slayer_ was "Teenage FBI" featured? (Yes, I'm outing myself on > this list as a Buffy fan...) I'd read about this, but apparently entranced > with something Willow was saying, never heard the song on any episode. > > > Paul's history is very accurate and as far as recommendations for starting > > at GbV go, starting at the new _Hold On Hope_ EP and working backwards (Do > > The Collapse, Mag Earwhig!, Under The Bushes Under The Stars, Alien Lanes, > > Bee Thousand etc.) would probably work out the best. The new HOH EP > > features the unliked single, but includes a good mix of rock tunes and > > stranger stuff. It's also cheaper than a full album. I would also recommend > > checking out their live shows where they ignore ballads and play their > > rocking anthems. (If you find the live album _Jellyfish Reflector_, that's > > their best live album out, until they release their new live album recorded > > at CBGB's in New York the day they recorded their appearance on Conan > > O'Brien) > > I'll second the thanks for Paul's useful history but offer a few minor > corrections and quibbles: > > The stuff going backward from _Bee Thousand_ is even more rawly recorded > than B000 or _Alien Lanes_ - I'd count those two as their own phase, with > maybe the release prior to B000 (title forgotten - help me?) included in > this phase as well. > > As far as I know, the band never really broke up in terms of there being > no GBV - but I could be wrong. > > Cobra Verde still functions as its own band, although apparently Doug > Gillard has left it. > > Tobin Sprout's paintings are indeed marvelous, but he hasn't quit music > to do them (or if he has, it wasn't at the same time he left GBV). He's > released three or four solo albums showing songwriting more wistful and > sometimes melancholic than Pollard's, as well as a more pop-focused sense > of melody (as opposed to Pollard's larger infusion of rock). > > And I like "Hold on Hope," so sue me. > > --Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html > ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: > __Robert Desnos__ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:34:19 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: GbV >I'll second the thanks for Paul's useful history but offer a few minor >corrections and quibbles: > >The stuff going backward from _Bee Thousand_ is even more rawly recorded >than B000 or _Alien Lanes_ - I'd count those two as their own phase, with >maybe the release prior to B000 (title forgotten - help me?) included in >this phase as well. > I think the key thing here is that the line-up was basically unchanged (except for bass players) until Under the Bushes...., then Tobin Sprout retired, Mitch Mitchell quit, Kevin Fennell left and the band has basically been Robert Pollard with different musicians after that. So, to me, that would indicate two phases. I consider Under the Bushes... the first part of the second phase because of the big shift in direction - sonically and in terms of songwriting - as compared to their earlier albums. And, the album you're thinking of is probably....Vampire on Titus? (Or possibly even Propellor?) They both precede Bee Thousand, and are fairly easy to get. In fact, I think Propellor has been added to the CD of Vampire on Titus. Just for trainspotters, according to the GbV website, here's the listing of albums (not including EPs, singles, etc.) in order of release: Devil Between my Toes Sand Box Self-Inflicted Aerial Nostalgia Same Place the Fly Got Smashed Propeller Vampire on Titus Bee Thousand Alien Lanes Under the Bushes, Under the Stars Mag Earwhig Do The Collapse >As far as I know, the band never really broke up in terms of there being >no GBV - but I could be wrong. > Well, when all of the members except Bob leaves the band one way or another, the two main songwriters release solo albums, then Bob decides to work with an entirely new band for the next album, I would tend to think that would mean that they called it quits, but I could be splitting hairs here. (^_^) I mean, you're right - it was never publically announced, but still - sure seemed like a breakup to me. (^_^) >Cobra Verde still functions as its own band, although apparently Doug >Gillard has left it. > Yeah - I should have worded that better. Cobra Verde was a temporary addition. As mentioned on http://www.gbv.com , you could call that lineup GBVerde. (^_^) >Tobin Sprout's paintings are indeed marvelous, but he hasn't quit music>to do them (or if he has, it wasn't at the same time he left GBV). He's >released three or four solo albums showing songwriting more wistful and>sometimes melancholic than Pollard's, as well as a more pop-focused sense >of melody (as opposed to Pollard's larger infusion of rock). > Yeah - I should have worded that better too. (^_^) The GbV website explains it better. He "retired" from GbV to work on his paintings and be near his family. He still helps out with the odd GbV track or two, as well as working on his own solo stuff. >And I like "Hold on Hope," so sue me. > I like that song as well. There's moments in your life where you need a song like that. It's really great live, too. Bic lighters ahoy! By the way - for the uninitiated, the Banks Travers documentary "Watch Me Jumpstart" may not be too bad a place to start. You get to meet most of the classic line-up and hear all of their early songs. Plus, there's some pretty good concert footage and all three of their videos. It's available on VHS HI-FI here in the United States. (NTSC). I'm not sure if it's available on PAL or not. Cheers, Paul *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:41:35 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: GbV >So, is GbV like Phish or something?? Only if Phish were playing 30 second songs. (^_^) Seriously, though, GbV do not jam. Not at all. They're a heavy beer drinking rock and roll band from Dayton, Ohio with a former school teacher who worships Wire, Beatles, The Who, & Peter Gabriel as a lead singer. One friend of mine called their songwriting style "Endless choruses strung together in search of a verse". He was being funny at the time, though. (^_^) >Sounds like a similar type of deal to >me. If I'm not wrong, then give me a name of the, I mean THE song to check >out by them to prove me wrong... Go to CDNow.com and you can listen to them there. I stongly suggest "Motor Away" off of Alien Lanes if you want the definitive song. Or, rent the documentary "Watch Me Jumpstart". That's not too bad a place to start. I'd like to find something about this band >that I like, given all that people say about them, just haven't been >successful yet. > GbV is a journey, not a destination. (^_^) Either that - or they're a Budweiser. (^o^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:51:11 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: GbV >>Sounds like a similar type of deal to >>me. If I'm not wrong, then give me a name of the, I mean THE song to >check >>out by them to prove me wrong... > >Go to CDNow.com and you can listen to them there. I stongly suggest >"Motor Away" off of Alien Lanes if you want the definitive song. > Even better than that, I found complete MP3's of their work at their own website: http://www.gbv.com/multigbv.html There's also RealVideo clips and .WAV files Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:04:21 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: GbV I'll check out the mp3 site... > > GbV is a journey, not a destination. (^_^) > > Either that - or they're a Budweiser. (^o^) > > Cheers, > Paul > Ah, perhaps that is the problem! I'm a Guinness gal myself. ;-) Katherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:50:08 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: GbV Jeff << And I like "Hold on Hope," so sue me. >> Me too. It's the sort of thing bands like GBV should do from time to time. See also REM's 'Everybody Hurts' - something mainstream from a left-field band. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: GbV On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Katherine Pouliot wrote: > So, is GbV like Phish or something?? no no no. at least, not like any Phish i've heard. there is a very small pot-smoking hippie hidden deep within Robert Pollard, but it appears to be from New Zealand where -- i'm judging solely by The Dead C here -- stoned musicians make horrible noises with feedback for ten minutes rather than being 'mellow'. (i'm thinking of the Nightwalker album, which i may be alone in liking.) the rest of the time, the songs are very short and punchy. > If I'm not wrong, then give me a name of the, I mean THE song to check > out by them to prove me wrong... "Gold Star For Robot Boy" from Bee Thousand. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:05:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: GbV On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Katherine Pouliot wrote: > > So, is GbV like Phish or something? Yes. Both feature carbon-based biological units who cause machines to make purposeful vibrations in the air. Both feature carbon-based biological units whose chemistry is frequently altered by artificial means, albeit different in nature. (something called "Budweiser" in the case of GBV) I suppose there are more similarities - but not many more. Y'know, if I thought hard enough about it, there's probably some band that both acts might be likely to cover. I remain about a million miles from Phish if I can help it, but there's a very very small area of overlap between Pollard's '60s psychedelic and prog rock inclinations and what I gather are Phish's. Okay, so if people followed GBV all around th country, what sorts of items would they sell to make enough money to get from show to show? What sorts of vehicles might they drive? - --Jeff, doubtless inspiring some to wish we were still talking about Jeff Lynne and mullets... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games ::until somebody loses an I. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:09:57 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: GbV >> If I'm not wrong, then give me a name of the, I mean THE song to check >> out by them to prove me wrong... > >"Gold Star For Robot Boy" from Bee Thousand. Hot Freaks from ... uh, whatever album it's on. (Alien Lanes? Vampire on Titus?) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:06:38 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: GbV Correct. They're sort of like the *anti*-Fish. Thank god. Dan >>So, is GbV like Phish or something?? > >Only if Phish were playing 30 second songs. (^_^) > >Seriously, though, GbV do not jam. Not at all. They're a heavy beer >drinking rock and roll band from Dayton, Ohio with a former school >teacher who worships Wire, Beatles, The Who, & Peter Gabriel as a lead >singer. One friend of mine called their songwriting style "Endless >choruses strung together in search of a verse". He was being funny at >the time, though. (^_^) > >>Sounds like a similar type of deal to >>me. If I'm not wrong, then give me a name of the, I mean THE song to >check >>out by them to prove me wrong... > >Go to CDNow.com and you can listen to them there. I stongly suggest >"Motor Away" off of Alien Lanes if you want the definitive song. > >Or, rent the documentary "Watch Me Jumpstart". That's not too bad a >place to start. > >I'd like to find something about this band >>that I like, given all that people say about them, just haven't been >>successful yet. >> > >GbV is a journey, not a destination. (^_^) > >Either that - or they're a Budweiser. (^o^) > >Cheers, >Paul > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:10:38 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: GbV >> So, is GbV like Phish or something? > > Yes. > > Both feature carbon-based biological units who cause machines to make > purposeful vibrations in the air. Both feature carbon-based biological > units whose chemistry is frequently altered by artificial means, albeit > different in nature. (something called "Budweiser" in the case of GBV) > Hahhaa, good! Although, I would disagree with the use of the word "purposeful", in the case of Phish. Yeah, I'm harsh! One of my young coworkers is a Phish-head. I rag on him a lot, and he likewise, doesn't see what I like about Wire or the other weird stuff I listen to. Invasion of the crunchies! > I suppose there are more similarities - but not many more. Phew! > > Y'know, if I thought hard enough about it, there's probably some band that > both acts might be likely to cover. I remain about a million miles from > Phish if I can help it, but there's a very very small area of overlap > between Pollard's '60s psychedelic and prog rock inclinations and what I > gather are Phish's. > > Okay, so if people followed GBV all around th country, what sorts of items > would they sell to make enough money to get from show to show? What sorts > of vehicles might they drive? > > --Jeff, doubtless inspiring some to wish we were still talking about Jeff > Lynne and mullets... Perhaps...Still sad that no one caught my bad play on words about mullets from a few days ago, :-( Boo hoo! katherine > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html > ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games > ::until somebody loses an I. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:51:18 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: cave (was RE: cocteaus/cure) In a message dated 7/18/00 12:44:48 PM, giluz@nettalk.com writes: << I'd rate the not bad ones (such as the Good Son) as bad >> gosh. i don't have my cds in front of me, but isn't this the one with mercy seat and watching alice? i've only become unsure because how could an album with 2 of my favorite cave songs be a "bad" one? i think it's incredible how he can pull off both types of sounds together on an album like that...just remembered this is tender prey! hehe, now i'll have to go have a listen to the good son. that's the one with the boat song or something loke that. hrm, maybe there is a reason i'm a bit foggy on this one!...and i really like kicking against the pricks, too. at one time i was playing it more than most of my other cds...but that was also before kids! heh, my daughter (age 3) likes 154 and IBTABA! - -paul p.s. yeah, tmc's version of alone is really great. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:02:46 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: GbV > Hi Jeffrey, > > Ok, there's no need to sue you for liking HOH. Surely you > remember how much > ragging I took for mentioning that I liked ELO back in the late 70's (20+ > years ago, ahem) so I think you can handle the *one* mention by me that I > think HOH sucked! really now! > > So, is GbV like Phish or something?? Sounds like a similar type > of deal to > me. If I'm not wrong, then give me a name of the, I mean THE > song to check > out by them to prove me wrong... I'd like to find something > about this band > that I like, given all that people say about them, just haven't been > successful yet. > > Katherine > I've been to gbv's site and downloaded some mp3's, and I really don't understand what the fuss is about. Nothing I heard struck me as good enough or bad enough to deserve any kind of reference. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:08:52 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: GbV > See also REM's 'Everybody Hurts' - something mainstream from a left-field > band. > > Mark REM a leftfield band, sometimes trying to do mainstream? What's the world coming to? REM have been filling stadiums for the last 10 years or so. Even before their great success, I wouldn't have defined them as leftfield. You can argue about the quality of what they do, but they're definitely mainstream. I mean, of course I'd prefer them to most other mainstream acts, but c'mon - get real... giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:23:10 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: cave (was RE: cocteaus/cure) > << I'd rate the not bad ones (such as the Good Son) as bad >> > > gosh. i don't have my cds in front of me, but isn't this the one > with mercy > seat and watching alice? i've only become unsure because how > could an album > with 2 of my favorite cave songs be a "bad" one? i think it's > incredible how > he can pull off both types of sounds together on an album like > that...just > remembered this is tender prey! hehe, now i'll have to go have a > listen to > the good son. that's the one with the boat song or something loke > that. hrm, > maybe there is a reason i'm a bit foggy on this one!...and i really like > kicking against the pricks, too. at one time i was playing it > more than most > of my other cds...but that was also before kids! heh, my daughter (age 3) > likes 154 and IBTABA! Tender Prey's brilliant - a sort of a culmination of everything Cave did before it. I think it set such high standards, as far as I'm concerned, that nothing Cave did afterwards really got to me. Another excellent Cave release no-one mentioned here yet was Your Funeral My Trial, released originally as a double 12'' single. It's great that your kid likes 154. I wish mine would (I don't have any as yet). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 9:40:12 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: cocteaus/cure Alone is a great cover version. Caroline Seaman's vocals are brilliant on it. Does anyone no anything about other stuff she has done. Continuing on covers, I once saw That Petrol Emotion doing a superb version of Mannequin live in Aberdeen. Not bad considering most of their own work was complete shite. Steve >>>>> talking of shite , i saw a poster for the fleadh featuring a sharkey-less undertones. second on the bill to the corrs.bet that was great...... p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #222 *******************************