From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #219 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, July 16 2000 Volume 03 : Number 219 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: Malkas Project [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: Golden Earring [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[4]: goth rock [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] bruce soundtracks [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Re[4]: goth rock [Carl Archer ] Re: Re[2]: goth rock [Creatured ] Re: GbV / "Wire" the song [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: Malkas Project ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:33:10 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Malkas Project I assume Malka doesn't want any of us to come up with a fine-art masterpiece. >>>>> just as well mate , but i'll do something...... Over to you listees. >>>>>> too true.p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:38:09 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Golden Earring they showed "radar love" on totp2 last week. and having seen that , i could only agree with the statement below. dutch rock is a little thin on the ground when you think about it........ p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Golden Earring Author: MIME:sjgraziano@hotmail.com at INTERNET Date: 7/15/00 6:03 AM You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems Golden Earring were the original model for Spinal Tap! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:43:33 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: goth rock hmmm. i had a goth phase but i never listen to that stuff now. whereas 154 is one of my absolute all-time favourites. can't see any goth there really , i suppose graham sings some songs in a deep , gloomy way but i never saw it as at all gothy. problem with so much goth was that it was too one-dimensional , whereas wire are the total opposite. in the intersection between wire and goth , i think the only valid choices are colin's productions on the prunes "if i die i die" and minimal's "raging souls". first time i ever heard minimal was when a friend put "the traitor" on a home-made goth compilation. (incidentally , he hated the rest of the album , didn't think it was goth enough....)p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: goth rock Author: MIME:MarkBursa@aol.com at INTERNET Date: 7/15/00 4:43 AM Carl, << BTW, I think that 154 is very goth. >> Oh dear. I'd say 154 was firmly art-rock, and therefore not Goth. Very little about Wire could be construed as Goth IMO. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:48:44 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: bruce soundtracks saw on wireviews a retrospective mention of a bruce soundtrack to a c4 film called "asylum" , and a previous one called "the falconer". anyone watch/tape these? worth the bother? p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:11:26 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: Re[4]: goth rock Then I'll have to consider Tones on Tail to be an art-rock band rather than a goth band. I suppose one can say the same thing about 'Remain In Light' by Talking Heads. As opposed to the prior thread regarding punk being more of an attitude than a sound, I believe that goth music is more about the sound than pale white people with dyed hair and black lipstick. I just happen to believe that if you played 154 for any Christian Death or Bauhaus fan, they'd be all over it. So if it's not goth, it certainly has goth-appeal. - -Carl > From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:43:33 +0100 > To: notcarl@home.com, idealcopy@smoe.org, MarkBursa@aol.com > Subject: Re[4]: goth rock > > hmmm. i had a goth phase but i never listen to that stuff now. whereas 154 is > one of my absolute all-time favourites. can't see any goth there really , i > suppose graham sings some songs in a deep , gloomy way but i never saw it as > at all gothy. problem with so much goth was that it was too one-dimensional , > whereas wire are the total opposite. > > in the intersection between wire and goth , i think the only valid choices are > colin's productions on the prunes "if i die i die" and minimal's "raging > souls". first time i ever heard minimal was when a friend put "the traitor" on > a home-made goth compilation. (incidentally , he hated the rest of the album , > didn't think it was goth enough....)p > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Subject: Re: Re[2]: goth rock > Author: MIME:MarkBursa@aol.com at INTERNET > Date: 7/15/00 4:43 AM > > > Carl, > > << BTW, I think that 154 is very goth. >> > > Oh dear. I'd say 154 was firmly art-rock, and therefore not Goth. Very little > about Wire could be construed as Goth IMO. > > Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: Re: Re[2]: goth rock I would never flop it over and TRY to hide my smooth scalp. I'll just shave and wax it once a week,i'm lazy. I hate shaving too,maybe that's why i haven't shaved thy head yet. Rickck - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Rick, > > << I agree with everything you said,except that my hair wasn't > Robert > Smith'd back then,i had the hair parted on the side with it hanging > over in your face a little,can't think of someone to compare it to > though, maybe the Fleshtones singer,but not to his extent.<< > > Phil Oakey from the Human League perhaps? The inventor of the > 'one-eyed > haircut' > > >>Now I'm bald,just about, with a pony tail,so i guess i sort of have > a mullet > too. Thinkin bout shavin the whole lot of it off,just need bigger > balls i > guess. >> > > In your position it's the only dignified thing to do. You could grow > it long > on one side and plaster it over the top of your head with gel. (Known > as a > 'Bobby Charlton' here after a famnous footballer who had the same > stylish > haircut!) > > >>Yeah,Bauhaus(seen in 83/Detroit/Another tory),Tones on Tail,Sisters > were good. Can't remember the others bands right now,buti think they > have been mentioned here before. > Wheb i seen Bauhaus,i went with two older friends(i was 17). I was > woprried about getting into the club,but luckly i looked old for my > age > and wasn't a problem after all. They started with Third Uncle ,which > i > loved. Then i think Spy in the Cab played. About the 5th song one of > my > friends came up to me and said we have to go,my other friend had > chugged a bunch of Peppermint Schnapps(clear) or something and i > guess > he was to drunk to stay,but he seemed to look alright when i had seen > him wondering about the club,so we went out the door and as soon as > we > got to the steps ,my drunk friend fell foward and grabbbed the light > poll and swung around it pretty fast and almost fell down or maybe he > did fall down. I was pissed,i was so looking foward to seeing > Bauhaus. > I even asked if my nondrunk friend could take him home and come back > and get me,but no way. So,i seen Bauhaus,but only for 5 songs and > wasted 12 bucks,which at the time seemed like a fair amount of money > to > me,at least for a concert.<< > > I saw them in late 1980 in a small club (Dudley JB's - still going > today!) > and they were stunning. But I saw them again the next year (supported > by the > Birthday Party and Subway Sect - in tuxedo cabaret mode) and the BP > blew them > away .... > > Saw the reunion tour a couple of years ago...very entertaining > greatest hits > show - though the well of creativity is obviously dry. > > Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:50:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: GbV / "Wire" the song On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Andy Gower wrote: > I am a certified GbV freak and many of their songs have Wire influence. I > always thought lead singer Robert Pollard's solo album _Kid Marine_ was > very Wire-ish. "Subspace Biographies" could have been on _A-Z_, actually - it's the way that trumpety synth line doggedly persists despite the guitar's chord changes. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::does "anal retentive" have a hyphen?:: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:32:31 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Malkas Project > > > Ah thats more like it! > What will everyone send to Malka? > err.. maybe a mullet? giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #219 *******************************