From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #216 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, July 14 2000 Volume 03 : Number 216 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Wire in Scotland [Stephen Harper ] Is there Anybody out there? [Creatured ] Re: Is there Anybody out there? [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: Is there Anybody out there? ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re: Is there Anybody out there? [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Is there Anybody out there? [Mark Short ] U2's Wire [Tim Robinson ] Re: Is there Anybody out there on the wire? [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: U2's Wire [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Re: U2's Wire [Katherine Pouliot ] mullets [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: mullets ["tube disaster" ] Fwd: Elastica ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: Elastica ["tube disaster" ] Re: Elastica Practice Makes Perfect ["stephen graziano" ] Re[2]: goth rock [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Harper Subject: Wire in Scotland Talking recently with a London friend, I mentioned that it was a shame Wire couldn't make it North of the border on tour this time, to which I received the reply that "Wire were never that popular in Scotland" (which I know to be quite untrue). But it does make me curious as to whether there are any other Scottish listers...? Stephen ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: Is there Anybody out there? Are there any listers,i just got one piece of mail from this kist overnight,usally i have 30 or so. Just wondering if a bunch of listers quit suddenly or is everyone on vacation? Rick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:32:46 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: Is there Anybody out there? - --0__=qNcF5XcmS1P89eusJj6nMTwd5XZPPYJlzFhSAjz9VsmTCsaW6HfGGVAP Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Well, with the soaring temperatures here in the UK most listers probably can't tear themselves away from the beach. Hmm. A couple of tickets I just bought tickets for: Sigur Ros - Union Chapel - Aug 24th - - --0__=qNcF5XcmS1P89eusJj6nMTwd5XZPPYJlzFhSAjz9VsmTCsaW6HfGGVAP Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =A38.50 Low - Union Chapel - Nov 10th - =A39.00 Chris. Creatured on 13/07/2000 16:17:51 To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Is there Anybody out there? = - --0__=qNcF5XcmS1P89eusJj6nMTwd5XZPPYJlzFhSAjz9VsmTCsaW6HfGGVAP Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Are there any listers,i just got one piece of mail from this kist overnight,usally i have 30 or so. Just wondering if a bunch of listers quit suddenly or is everyone on vacation? Rick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - --0__=qNcF5XcmS1P89eusJj6nMTwd5XZPPYJlzFhSAjz9VsmTCsaW6HfGGVAP-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:43:01 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: Is there Anybody out there? just watching for now...busy at work, in the middle of looking at a house to by and selling the house we live in ! kind of busy. if anything really perks me I'll reply! katherine - ----- Original Message ----- From: Creatured To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Is there Anybody out there? Are there any listers,i just got one piece of mail from this kist overnight,usally i have 30 or so. Just wondering if a bunch of listers quit suddenly or is everyone on vacation? Rick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:10:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Is there Anybody out there? Well....nobody's mentioned ELO, or the Cars, or St Winnifred's school choir for a while. Sadly discussion of Graham's mullet is not enough to spark us into life..... but we're all sitting like cats, ready to pounce on the first bit of trivial nonsense that comes our way :-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:13:23 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: Is there Anybody out there? Yes. And I'm still wondering if/when Wire2000 is going to release some new material. What's happening with the Steve Albini sessions? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:25:50 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: U2's Wire We've all got skeletons in our Closets and when I was about 12 I was a huge fan of U2. I remember they had a track called Wire which was on The Unforgettable Fire. That wasn't a bad record for a Stadium rock band really. I fell out with them after their insufferable 'authentic' roots/blues period (See Rattle & Hum) but I heard that track last night and I was wondering is does anyone know if the the track 'Wire' was so called because they had basically ripped off the main theme from 'The 15th' from 154? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:35:57 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: Is there Anybody out there on the wire? In a message dated 7/13/0 9:35:14 PM, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: >I was wondering is does anyone know if the the track 'Wire' was so >called because they had basically ripped off the main theme from 'The >15th' from 154? ya mean the "providing deciding..." part? listening now, i hear some similarity. but i never would've thought that on my own. anyone else? i'd love to find out it's true! In a message dated 7/13/0 12:18:10 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >Sadly discussion of Graham's mullet is not enough to spark us >into life... I CAN'T TAKE THE PRESSURE ANYMORE...I ADMIT IT, I ADMIT IT!!!! I was a mullethead from about 80-82...there, i said it. gosh darn, that's a load off my chest... - -paul ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: U2's Wire Excerpts from mail: 14-Jul-100 U2's Wire by Tim Robinson@cwcom.net > I was wondering is does anyone know if the the track 'Wire' was so > called because they had basically ripped off the main theme from > 'The 15th' from 154? I don't know about that, but I do know that U2 used to perform "Mannequin" in their very, very early years. This was confirmed to me by a webmaster for one of the U2 bootleg web pages. Unfortunately, nobody seems to have a recording of this. Sigh. Although considering what U2 sounded like when they first started, this is probably a good thing. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "I've been known to dabble." -007 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:58:30 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: U2's Wire OK, here is my time to chime in. I have always been a fan of U2. There are songs I dislike, and albums I like better than others. I liked them from 82 right up to now. I disliked the rattle and hum bluesy stuff, but as a fan I understood that they were checking out the American classic stuff, and that was their right, as is anyone's right to choose what they like. For example, I'm a potter, and I prefer to throw Japanese/Chinese style traditional tea bowls as opposed to regular coffee mugs. I'm American, I don't deny it, but there are certain styles which I prefer, and I do a pretty good job at it, so I don't feel bad. U2 was successful at whatever they did, some things more than others, sure, like every one else!!! As for them ripping off Wire, I honestly can't comment on that because I don't have the early Wire albums (yet) and don't even know what that song sounds like! Someone else can pick up from here... Kath > From: Tim Robinson > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:25:50 +0100 > To: idealcopy > Subject: U2's Wire > > We've all got skeletons in our Closets and when I was about 12 I was a > huge fan of U2. I remember they had a track called Wire which was on The > Unforgettable Fire. That wasn't a bad record for a Stadium rock band > really. I fell out with them after their insufferable 'authentic' > roots/blues period (See Rattle & Hum) but I heard that track last night > and I was wondering is does anyone know if the the track 'Wire' was so > called because they had basically ripped off the main theme from 'The > 15th' from 154? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:02:12 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: mullets You know, when I was 13 and 14 I had my hair short on the sides and front and long in the back. I guess I had a mullet too!!! hahhah > In a message dated 7/13/0 12:18:10 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >> Sadly discussion of Graham's mullet is not enough to spark us >> into life... > > I CAN'T TAKE THE PRESSURE ANYMORE...I ADMIT IT, I ADMIT IT!!!! I was a > mullethead from about 80-82...there, i said it. gosh darn, that's a load off > my chest... > > -paul ;o) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:37:40 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: mullets As I may've mentioned at the time, I had one about a month ago after getting a haircut for the first time in a year & telling the guy to cut off 3 inches all over (rather than go completely short in one fell swoop). Well, he did just as I said, but damn if the results didn't leave me with hair noticeably longer in back than anywhere else, though it took me long hours of gazing into mirros with a sort of sick fascination to resign myself to that sad fact (co-workers' a/bemused reactions were a bit of a giveaway as well). The horror! Because of my work schedule, I didn't have a chance to crawl back & get an overall short cut for another week ... after which (as I probably also mentioned here) a co-worker remarked that I looked like Glenn Frey. Even that is, I suppose, preferable to having a mullet, which otherwise to my knowledge I'd never had before in any way, shape or form. Dan >You know, when I was 13 and 14 I had my hair short on the sides and front >and long in the back. I guess I had a mullet too!!! hahhah > >> In a message dated 7/13/0 12:18:10 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >> >>> Sadly discussion of Graham's mullet is not enough to spark us >>> into life... >> >> I CAN'T TAKE THE PRESSURE ANYMORE...I ADMIT IT, I ADMIT IT!!!! I was a >> mullethead from about 80-82...there, i said it. gosh darn, that's a load off >> my chest... >> >> -paul ;o) >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:22:57 -0000 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Fwd: Elastica - --- In robynhitchcock@egroups.com, "stephen graziano" wrote: I was wondering if anyone out there in Wireland has gotten the new Elastica album? (We are allowed to like them, right?) Anyway I do, and I thinks it's pretty good, Alittle on the short side at only 35 minutes. Got a goofy cover of Trio's "DA DA DA" (probably to tie in with the big Volkswagon media blitz) and a guest appearance by Mark E. Smith, Mr. Fall himself. But the most interesting, and funny, part is THEY DID IT AGAIN!! They ripped off Wire!!! Track 6 is titled "Human" and it is the best rewrite of "Lowdown" since "Lowdown" and the following track "Nothing Stays The Same" borrows none too liberally from the chorus of "Kidney Bingoes"! Pretty cheeky. - Steve. G ______________________________________________________________________ __ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - --- End forwarded message --- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:27:48 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Elastica I've listened to the new one only a few times but have to say it hasn't grown on me (I like the first album pretty well) ... the only tracks to really make an impression are the 4 or 5 that were on the 6-song "comeback" EP last year -- which includes not only Nothing Stays the Same but possibly Human (I'm too late getting to bed to look it up ... e-mail problems all day, in a nutshell, plus a friend's 2-man band's first ever paying gig tonight -- yes, I've plied them liberally with Wire tapes) as well -- *something* that reminded me strongly of another Wire track, at any rate, though offhand I'm thinking it was something that called to mind the beginning of Practice Makes Perfect instead. (Though maybe I'm thinking of a certain Guided By Voices track ...) Dan >--- In robynhitchcock@egroups.com, "stephen graziano" > wrote: >I was wondering if anyone out there in Wireland has gotten the new >Elastica >album? (We are allowed to like them, right?) >Anyway I do, and I thinks it's pretty good, Alittle on the short side >at >only 35 minutes. Got a goofy cover of Trio's "DA DA DA" (probably to >tie in >with the big Volkswagon media blitz) and a guest appearance by Mark >E. >Smith, Mr. Fall himself. But the most interesting, and funny, part >is THEY >DID IT AGAIN!! They ripped off Wire!!! Track 6 is titled "Human" >and it is >the best rewrite of "Lowdown" since "Lowdown" and the following track >"Nothing Stays The Same" borrows none too liberally from the chorus >of >"Kidney Bingoes"! Pretty cheeky. - Steve. G ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:53:51 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: Elastica Practice Makes Perfect Maybe you're thinking of "My Sex", it's got a kind of spooky intro, though when I first saw it listed I thought it was going to be an Ultravox cover. - Steve. G rate, >though offhand I'm thinking it was something that called to mind the >beginning of Practice Makes Perfect instead. (Though maybe I'm thinking of >a >certain Guided By Voices track ...) > >Dan > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:13:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Malka Spigel project Hi all Below is a message from Swim~ regarding a project that Malka Spigel is working on. Please take the time to contribute if you can. Craig Wireviews - --- From Malka Spigel: I am making a piece of work relating to contemporary "tribalism". By this I mean very specific special interest groups of the kind characterised by something like a single topic subscription list. People who are very diverse in age and cultural affiliation, scattered across the globe who nonetheless have this one thing in common. In order to explore the different ways these diverse groups relate to the same thing  I would like to try something with the Ideal Copy List. I would like Ideal Copy List subscribers to send to me an item which somehow conveys  visually their relationship with or how they see Wire. It can be as absurd or as abstract as you like but not bigger than 25 cm X 25 cm (the size of a CD insert) if flat or of similar dimensions if 3D. It can be any shape and can be much smaller in fact. The item can be sent to me c/o swim - PO Box 3459, LONDON SW19 6ES, UK. As a musician and a visual artist I find the way that people relate to those art-forms to be incredibly different. Music is very abstract, visual arts very conceptualised. Perhaps the music can stand up better without the words? The work I produce from the items you send will be part of an ongoing series around these themes. Hopefully I will be able to present some of this work in a format you all can see. MALKA SPIGEL - LONDON - JULY 2000 - --- ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:18:16 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: goth rock ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ for the record , goth top ten ; 1. uk decay ; stagestruck 2. sisters ; adrenochrome 3. march violets ; undertow 4. sex gang children ; killer k 5. southern death cult ; moya 6. play dead ; gaze 7. bauhaus ; dark entries 8. theatre of hate ; legion 9. danse society ; somewhere 10. furyo ; cavalcade i think from the above you may just guess what my hair looked like in 82-84. i still think some of the early goth stuff has a great stoogey punky feel , it went crap when all the mission/all about eve/dippy hippy stuff came along. but most of the above bands had their monments.p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #216 *******************************