From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #210 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 8 2000 Volume 03 : Number 210 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re the Chemical Clitheroes [Alan Gray ] Re: Re the Chemical Clitheroes [Mark Short ] Across the pond/Fat of the Prodigy [Wireviews ] RE: The last day's of good American Radio ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] to set the record straight (was London's Burning and alot of other stuff) [MackDaddyD ] RE: Eighties Stations ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: Eighties Stations ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Clock DVA Demos [Creatured ] RE: Eighties Stations [Creatured ] Fwd: Radio... at least here in NY [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:32:57 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Re the Chemical Clitheroes >>Who, or what is a Jimmy Clitheroe? >>Cheers, >>Ray Ciscon The others were probably right, you don't wanna know... He was 'The Clitheroe Kid'. A bit different to your american kids,Billy etc 4ft10inch comedian,popular here in the sixties. He had a helium voice I'd forgotten about him before I heard the Chemical's single. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:25:14 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: Re the Chemical Clitheroes Alan Gray wrote: > > >>Who, or what is a Jimmy Clitheroe? > >>Cheers, > >>Ray Ciscon > > The others were probably right, you don't wanna know... > He was 'The Clitheroe Kid'. > A bit different to your american kids,Billy etc > 4ft10inch comedian,popular here in the sixties. > He had a helium voice ...with a sort of Blackburn, Lancashire accent. He was a character in a radio sitcom, which subsequently transferred to TV. > I'd forgotten about him before I heard the Chemical's single. > I've never made that connection, but will return to "Surrender" with newly informed ears. > Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 04:03:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Across the pond/Fat of the Prodigy """---- Yeah, I didn't mean like REALLY ripping-off. All these brits musicians were real fans of their American predecessors. The nicest thing was that nothing was actually copied, cause the transfer from one culture to another caused lots of unexpected changes. """---- Okay, so what I'm about to say is very, very simplified, but it does happen quite often. Underground US bands innovate, but ultimately get ignored by eveyone in their own country. The British take some of the ideas and mess around with them. A couple of years later we effectively end up selling the US a "version" of the music they created in the first place! Then most obvious cases here are punk and house music, which (mostly) originated in the USA, but were bent and moshed by the Brits (and in some cases other Europeans). Oh, and my 2p on the Prodigy: Experience: naive, but great fun. Jilted: a little overplayed now, but at the time this was an excellent release - No good (start the dance) still gives me the shivers. Fat: overproduced rubbish, bar maybe three or four tracks. A massive step back that ended up sounding like a crap punk album with a few electronic bits over the top. A big disappointment... Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:04:31 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: RE: The last day's of good American Radio >I was serious about the recommendations stuff. Can't help you there The two CDs that I recently bought and can't get out of my cd player are pere ubu's worlds in collision and he said take care Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:54:56 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: the last days of good American radio Kath wrote >recommendations for new CDs. Not esp. new (1996) but new to me was Jim White's 'Wrong-eyed Jesus' There's tunes on there that'll haunt ya. So unless you got an aversion to a guy in a stetson hat, that's something for the weekend. Happy to share it with y'all in a spirit of peace, love & c u down the pub... Alistair ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:07:36 -0500 From: MackDaddyD Subject: to set the record straight (was London's Burning and alot of other stuff) > If it hadn't have been for The Ramones, there wouldn't have been a Sex > Pistols or the Clash. And, if it hadn't have been for The Stooges, there > wouldn't have been The Ramones. in England's Burning I found validation for the above, which I always knew. But, let us not forget the New York Dolls. My first impressions of the Pistols were "been there - done that - seen it when i was in high school" of course i was listening to god-awful prog and fusion at the time - but the less said about that , the better > > From: Dave Walker > "The Fat of the Land" is not techno. > -d.w. > crotchety Detroiter THANK YOU! for myself i stopped seriously listening to music radio for 'interesting' music in my teens when WABX in Deeetroit adopted a format my fondest memory of that 'commercial' radio station was hearing the stooges '1969' segued into coltrane's 'ascension' into the closing movement of stravinsly's 'rite of spring' followed by the 'suffragette city' which was the first time i heard david bowie college radio over here *occasionally* lives up to that standard i listen to commercial radio for ear-candy - ok , mostly because my wife likes commercial black music - and what can i say , it's in my detroiter blood as well. you can't fake the funk as to recommendations: (blame giluz - he asked) my sole 80's reference the associates 'sulk' reissue - the original LP track order and mix intact unlike the abortion issued here in the states and used as a model for som reason for the original european release any recent arto lindsay release - uptown noise vs. samba - and the winner is...sensuality towa tei 'last century modern' - great japanese popmusic nobekazu takemura 'child's view' - experimantal electronic music meats dj culture in the nicest way senor coconut (atom heart (uwe schmidt)) 'el gran baille' - kraftwerk covers done latin - much much more listenable and interesting that a joke richard kirk 'loop static' - i am astounded that i find EVERY one of rhk's albums listenable and distinct, ASTOUNDED simon fisher turner 'oh venus' - after SEARCHING for this high and low at any price, it turns up used for ...$4.99 - WONDERFUL fred frith 'pacifica' - new music composition performed by an italian ensemble - and fred doesn't even play - IMO FF is a major talent - do not miss an opportunity to see him play live signing off from the windy city go tigers anyway dmc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:33:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re the Chemical Clitheroes Despite being in his 40s, he dressed as a schoolboy (school cap, short trousers, like Angus Young out of AC/DC). Died at some point in the '80s, I think. Spiritual heir - Jeanette Krankie. Ray - don't ask! Mark << > >>Who, or what is a Jimmy Clitheroe? > >>Cheers, > >>Ray Ciscon > > The others were probably right, you don't wanna know... > He was 'The Clitheroe Kid'. > A bit different to your american kids,Billy etc > 4ft10inch comedian,popular here in the sixties. > He had a helium voice ...with a sort of Blackburn, Lancashire accent. He was a character in a radio sitcom, which subsequently transferred to TV. > I'd forgotten about him before I heard the Chemical's single. > I've never made that connection, but will return to "Surrender" with newly informed ears. > Alan >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:15:51 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Re3 The Chemical Clitheroes Perhaps there should be a band called 'The Chemical Clitheroes'. You never know they might get to be 'Small in Japan' Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:43:31 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Eighties Stations Rob Wrote: I think the only time you're likely to hear anything even close to Wire or Heaven 17 on 103.1 is at 10 o'clock on weeknights. They have a show called The Deep End where they play "more alternative" stuff. I've only heard it a couple of times, but it sounded pretty good. At least you don't have to hear things like Rockwell or Night Ranger like you would during the day. - -Rob- george.m.hook@ac.com wrote: > > Just curious, fellow Wire enthusiasts. Is anyone out there familiar with > the new Eighties radio station format? Do you have one in your city (UK > and other points beyond included)? I just discovered the one in Chicago > (103.1) and I will have to admit, I enjoy the mindless fun. Maybe because - --snip-- ================== I was going to mention 103.1 FM in Chicago myself, but George and Rob beat me to it... Because we have such an abundance of Chicago area Wire fans, I think we should put ourselves to a little task... Let's get 103.1FM to play a Wire song! I think if all of Chicago-based Wire fans called in a request during the 'Deep End' portion of their broadcast, we could get them to play an 80's Wire song. Now the big question... which song do we suggest? I'd pick one of the following, 'Ahead', 'Kidney Bingos', or 'Eardrum Buzz', which makes it really tough for me to choose... 'Eardrum Buzz' actually got some airplay on WXRT when IBTABA was first released, so I guess that would be my choice, but I'm more than willing to go with the majority on this one. Come on people, I heard them play a song by 'The Damned' last night! If they can play a song by them, they can surely play one by Wire! Let's Do This! Ray Ciscon P.S. Eardrum Buzz perfectly described my already damaged hearing upon leaving the Wire show at the Metro! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:17:23 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: Eighties Stations Hey all, I'm listening to 103.1 right now!!! I'm using the radio toolbar on my MSIE at work. hahaa Ah, yes, all the wonderful, and not so, Eighties tunes are flooding back... katherine - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ciscon, Ray To: idealcopy Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Eighties Stations > Rob Wrote: > > I think the only time you're likely to hear anything even close to Wire > or Heaven 17 on 103.1 is at 10 o'clock on weeknights. They have a show > called The Deep End where they play "more alternative" stuff. I've only > heard it a couple of times, but it sounded pretty good. At least you > don't have to hear things like Rockwell or Night Ranger like you would > during the day. > > -Rob- > > george.m.hook@ac.com wrote: > > > > Just curious, fellow Wire enthusiasts. Is anyone out there familiar with > > the new Eighties radio station format? Do you have one in your city (UK > > and other points beyond included)? I just discovered the one in Chicago > > (103.1) and I will have to admit, I enjoy the mindless fun. Maybe because > --snip-- > > ================== > > I was going to mention 103.1 FM in Chicago myself, but George and Rob beat > me to it... > > Because we have such an abundance of Chicago area Wire fans, I think we > should put ourselves to a little task... Let's get 103.1FM to play a Wire > song! > > I think if all of Chicago-based Wire fans called in a request during the > 'Deep End' portion of their broadcast, we could get them to play an 80's > Wire song. > > Now the big question... which song do we suggest? I'd pick one of the > following, 'Ahead', 'Kidney Bingos', or 'Eardrum Buzz', which makes it > really tough for me to choose... > > 'Eardrum Buzz' actually got some airplay on WXRT when IBTABA was first > released, so I guess that would be my choice, but I'm more than willing to > go with the majority on this one. > > Come on people, I heard them play a song by 'The Damned' last night! If they > can play a song by them, they can surely play one by Wire! > > Let's Do This! > > Ray Ciscon > > P.S. Eardrum Buzz perfectly described my already damaged hearing upon > leaving the Wire show at the Metro! > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:27:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: Clock DVA Demos Someone wanted me to let them know when i got some Clock DVA demos. Well,i didn't get the demos we talked about,but i got 4 90 minutes tapes worth of Clock DVA demos from 78 to 82. Some of the sound quality isnt great,but then a lot of them do have decent sound quality. Also getting Swell Maps(Rehersal & Live), Associates(Live & Demo), Fire Engines(Live & Peel), Young Marble Giants,This HEat,Charles Hayward 1999 Japan & 1986(Live) Rik __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:36:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: RE: Eighties Stations Funny,a couple years ago here in Detroit there was a new station starting up and they played pretty good stuff and actually took requests(I only requested things i thought they would play though),but they wanted the listeners opinion about how what they should play,so they had a listener meeting from the people who made requests. There were about 15 people and everyone had good ideas and i said they should have a 80's underground music show,maybe an hour or two on Sundays like we had in late 70's/early 80's in Detroit. After a couple weeks,they started playing a bunch of crap and changed format in less than a year,i knew they should have listened to me. We do have two stations that play alternitive,one current and the other 80's and current,i think. I never listen to them. I listen to the Windsor college station CJAM,they were the best in the eighties now. They are on the internet now. Rik(excuse my grammer) - --- "Ciscon, Ray" wrote: > Rob Wrote: > > I think the only time you're likely to hear anything even close to > Wire > or Heaven 17 on 103.1 is at 10 o'clock on weeknights. They have a > show > called The Deep End where they play "more alternative" stuff. I've > only > heard it a couple of times, but it sounded pretty good. At least you > don't have to hear things like Rockwell or Night Ranger like you > would > during the day. > > -Rob- > > george.m.hook@ac.com wrote: > > > > Just curious, fellow Wire enthusiasts. Is anyone out there > familiar with > > the new Eighties radio station format? Do you have one in your > city (UK > > and other points beyond included)? I just discovered the one in > Chicago > > (103.1) and I will have to admit, I enjoy the mindless fun. Maybe > because > --snip-- > > ================== > > I was going to mention 103.1 FM in Chicago myself, but George and Rob > beat > me to it... > > Because we have such an abundance of Chicago area Wire fans, I think > we > should put ourselves to a little task... Let's get 103.1FM to play a > Wire > song! > > I think if all of Chicago-based Wire fans called in a request during > the > 'Deep End' portion of their broadcast, we could get them to play an > 80's > Wire song. > > Now the big question... which song do we suggest? I'd pick one of the > following, 'Ahead', 'Kidney Bingos', or 'Eardrum Buzz', which makes > it > really tough for me to choose... > > 'Eardrum Buzz' actually got some airplay on WXRT when IBTABA was > first > released, so I guess that would be my choice, but I'm more than > willing to > go with the majority on this one. > > Come on people, I heard them play a song by 'The Damned' last night! > If they > can play a song by them, they can surely play one by Wire! > > Let's Do This! > > Ray Ciscon > > P.S. Eardrum Buzz perfectly described my already damaged hearing upon > leaving the Wire show at the Metro! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:42:28 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Radio... at least here in NY - --part1_d.728437d.2697fd24_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry giluz. i meant to send this to the list yesterday... - --part1_d.728437d.2697fd24_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Full-name: Eardrumbuz Message-ID: <2f.79de1b0.2696b0bf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:04:15 EDT Subject: Re: Radio... at least here in NY To: giluz@nettalk.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 not sure about the rest of our untied states, but we've got great radio in the new york metropolitan area, including some of new jersey and long island. you just have to keep the needle at the left end of the dial! from nyu's new afternoon show and 80's radio show "the wavebreaker" and hofstra radio's 80's post punk progressive pop party to the great stuff i've been hearing on wusb (stonybrook) as well as from wfdu (teaneck) and i forget the call letters for upsula college radio...whew! i dunno where i'd go for new music without these fantastic stations. ignore commercial radio, please. - -paul p.s. woke up to fascist groove thang the other morning on the one commercial station i'll tolerate, wlir. george.m.hook@ac.com writes: > Haven't heard any Wire yet (or Heaven 17's We >Don't Need that Fascist Groove Thing In a message dated 7/6/0 4:27:34 AM, giluz@nettalk.com writes: >> So remember, you may not particularly care for the 'vocalized' version of >> the Prodigy, but when all you hear is the Dave Matthews Band, Metallica, >> Matchbox 20, etc. the Prodigy is a delightful change of pace. > > >That's a completely different subject. Radio is crap everywhere I've ever >been to (even though rumours say that US radio is the crappiest - I don't >know, never been there). It's nice when you have something better than >Metallica played on the radio, and it's even nicer to think that some kids >will perhaps get to be acquainted with less commercialised music through >it. >Still, radio is not everything. For the last 10 years radio has stopped >being a source of new music for me. - --part1_d.728437d.2697fd24_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #210 *******************************