From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #207 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, July 5 2000 Volume 03 : Number 207 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Londons Burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: oh yes............... [MarkBursa@aol.com] fripp [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Alan Gray ] RE: idealcopy-digest V3 #206 ["webmaster" ] Neu! ["giluz" ] Re: oh yes............... ["lucifersam" ] Re: Killing Joke [John Roberts ] Re: Killing Joke [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Wire gig at the internet ["giluz" ] Durutti Column [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: oh yes............... [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["tube disaster" ] RE: Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["giluz" ] Re: fripp ["tube disaster" ] Re: fripp [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: fripp ["giluz" ] Re: fripp ["tube disaster" ] Re: fripp ["tube disaster" ] Re: Wire gig at the internet [Creatured ] Re: Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["lucifersam" ] Re: Wire gig at the internet [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: fripp [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: fripp ["tube disaster" ] Get ya haircut!!!!! ["lucifersam" ] RE: Wire gig at the internet ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:25:55 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Londons Burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob, Couldn't agree more. That's exactly how I view that album. I really like the fact that they didn't edit it - so all their influences at the time are on show. Mark << It all depends on your viewpoint Dan. I view the glass as half-full (or a bit more than that in this case). I paid for 1 album, got 3, and find enough to make a great single album, or pretty decent double - I'm satisfied. And one man's filler may be another's fave track (OK, unlikely in the case of Career Opportunities sung by some out-of-tune kid!). But would it have been a better album if they had edited it down to the 12 best tracks (in whoevers opinion) and left the other 24 off? I personally like the idea that they just bashed everything down, stuck the lot out and basically said - "here it is, warts and all - take your pick!". Now, if they had charged a triple album price for it, I'd maybe think differently! BobS >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:55:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: oh yes............... Cat, << I'd just like to share my joy with fellow English folk on the list, after saturday....................... YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> Hehehe! Now all we need is Thorpe in for Knight and Hussain back instead of Ramprakash and we might have a team....... That'll confuse 'em over the Pond! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:58:27 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: fripp Never had much time for Fripp, but I did see him once (as The League of Gentlemen) at the Cedar Club in Birmingham in 1981. In a move that will cause great excitement in Arkansas, the support that night was A Flock Of Seagulls, one of three times I saw them as support in the same month (the other times supporting Bill Nelson (at the same venue) and the Psychedelic Furs. Honestly, I thought it was a hex. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:01:25 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Couldn't agree more. That's exactly how I view that album. I really like the >fact that they didn't edit it - so all their influences at the time are on >show. >Mark Trouble is you end up with Londons burnin with american influence. I thought the Clash got it right with the reggae which was everywhere in London (anyway) with their earlier work. After what for me were a series of great records which I still love, London Calling saw them casting around for some new direction and you end up with babies in cadillacs etc which had little meaning for me at the time. USA calling might have been a better title, that seemed to be where the band were heading. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:07:05 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Trouble is you end up with Londons burnin with american influence. > I thought the Clash got it right with the reggae which was > everywhere in London (anyway) with their earlier work. > After what for me were a series of great records which I still love, > London Calling saw them casting around for some new direction > and you end up with babies in cadillacs etc which had little > meaning for me at the time. > USA calling might have been a better title, that seemed to be > where the band were heading. > > Alan > mmm - quite right. Maybe that's why I get the feeling that it's more appreciated by non-Brits (including myself). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:15:06 -0500 From: "webmaster" Subject: RE: idealcopy-digest V3 #206 >>I've noticed that these online stores are sometimes a little shaky in >>the details. Not Wire Mail Order I hope!!! shop@wiremailorder.com http://wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:25:39 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: Neu! I've just recieved the first 2 Neu! albums. First of all I'd like to thank whoever it was that recommended them to me. Does anyone know at what year they were released? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:55:27 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: oh yes............... Actuallt mark, I sent this after our brave boys exorsized 34 years of hurt against against Germany! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 1:55 PM Subject: Re: oh yes............... > Cat, > > << I'd just like to share my joy with fellow English folk > on the list, after saturday....................... > YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >> > > Hehehe! Now all we need is Thorpe in for Knight and Hussain back instead of > Ramprakash and we might have a team....... > > That'll confuse 'em over the Pond! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:03:17 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: Killing Joke Must disagree here. Firedances is the first album in which Geordie starts plucking his guitar instead of just ramming his fist at it. First two albums allowed him to do this cos Youth's style of bass playing was more 'funky' than the plodding of his predecessor. I never saw them with Youth tho and the Raven gigs were good for a young punkwallah such as meself. Nighttime tour was the pits tho. Session keyboard player. John Roberts On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Barry Braxton wrote: > Firedances is a complex album with some of Geordie's best contrapuntal > guitar work not to mention tone as this was pretty much the first album > where he had solidified his trademark sound. To avoid this album would be > truly a shame. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:13:35 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: Killing Joke Well, I've now played "Outside The Gate" a couple of times and I decided that apart from a couple of tracks the album is a stinker. I, like Miles, am a huge Nighttime & Bright... fan. Not heard Firedances yet. Chris. John Roberts on 04/07/2000 17:03:17 To: Barry Braxton cc: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com, Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS, idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Killing Joke Must disagree here. Firedances is the first album in which Geordie starts plucking his guitar instead of just ramming his fist at it. First two albums allowed him to do this cos Youth's style of bass playing was more 'funky' than the plodding of his predecessor. I never saw them with Youth tho and the Raven gigs were good for a young punkwallah such as meself. Nighttime tour was the pits tho. Session keyboard player. John Roberts On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Barry Braxton wrote: > Firedances is a complex album with some of Geordie's best contrapuntal > guitar work not to mention tone as this was pretty much the first album > where he had solidified his trademark sound. To avoid this album would be > truly a shame. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:28:14 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: Wire gig at the internet I just watched the Wire gig at the Metro, Chicago via videostreaming. Unbelievable and much better than the RFH gig. For those that didn't know about it, goto http://www.supersphere.com/Club/NoisePop/. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:30:52 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Durutti Column And for those of you who are interested Durutti Column were due to play at The Jazz Cafe on 12/9/00 but cancelled as soon as it was made public. No reasons were given. There is supposed to be an album due for release in the Autumn. Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:32:15 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: oh yes............... Cat, >>Actuallt mark, I sent this after our brave boys exorsized 34 years of hurt against against Germany!<< Hmmm - that took about a week to reach me! Must have been one of the ones that Miles lost.... Shame about what happened next at Euro 2000 - though the best team won in the end. We have a long way to go...... mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:30:46 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> Trouble is you end up with Londons burnin with american influence. >> I thought the Clash got it right with the reggae which was >> everywhere in London (anyway) with their earlier work. >> After what for me were a series of great records which I still love, >> London Calling saw them casting around for some new direction >> and you end up with babies in cadillacs etc which had little >> meaning for me at the time. >> USA calling might have been a better title, that seemed to be >> where the band were heading. >> >> Alan >> >mmm - quite right. Maybe that's why I get the feeling that it's more >appreciated by non-Brits (including myself). >giluz Who knows? Let it be known that I, who as noted before found London Calling the first crushingly disappointing album of my life, have never gotten any closer to the UK than a couple of hours driving through West Virginia 18 years ago. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:28:43 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Killing Joke FWIW, Outside the Gate is almost universally considered as their worst effort by far, a truly execrable excuse for an album, a la Cut the Crap. Its reputation is so bad that I've never even considered picking up a copy -- & for those familiar with my buying habits, that's really saying something. Dan > > >Well, I've now played "Outside The Gate" a couple of times and I decided >that apart from a couple of tracks the album is a stinker. I, like Miles, >am a huge Nighttime & Bright... fan. > >Not heard Firedances yet. > >Chris. > > > > >John Roberts on 04/07/2000 17:03:17 > >To: Barry Braxton >cc: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com, Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS, idealcopy@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: Killing Joke > > > > >Must disagree here. Firedances is the first album in which Geordie starts >plucking his guitar instead of just ramming his fist at it. First two >albums allowed him to do this cos Youth's style of bass playing was more >'funky' than the plodding of his predecessor. I never saw them with Youth >tho and the Raven gigs were good for a young punkwallah such as meself. >Nighttime tour was the pits tho. Session keyboard player. > >John Roberts > >On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Barry Braxton wrote: > >> Firedances is a complex album with some of Geordie's best contrapuntal >> guitar work not to mention tone as this was pretty much the first album >> where he had solidified his trademark sound. To avoid this album would be >> truly a shame. >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:59:14 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> Trouble is you end up with Londons burnin with american influence. > >> I thought the Clash got it right with the reggae which was > >> everywhere in London (anyway) with their earlier work. > >> After what for me were a series of great records which I still love, > >> London Calling saw them casting around for some new direction > >> and you end up with babies in cadillacs etc which had little > >> meaning for me at the time. > >> USA calling might have been a better title, that seemed to be > >> where the band were heading. > >> > >> Alan > >> > >mmm - quite right. Maybe that's why I get the feeling that it's more > >appreciated by non-Brits (including myself). > >giluz > > > Who knows? Let it be known that I, who as noted before found > London Calling > the first crushingly disappointing album of my life, have never gotten any > closer to the UK than a couple of hours driving through West Virginia 18 > years ago. > > Dan And I much prefer English oriented stuff to American. I also heard London Calling much before I heard the earlier stuff, so I didn't have anything to compare it to when I heard it first.I still think London Calling is a great album, but I think of the Clash not as a punk band but more as the Rolling Stones of the 70's, i.e. classic rockn'roll band. Maybe that's why you old punksters didn't like it. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:04:34 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: fripp >Never had much time for Fripp, but I did see him once (as The League of >Gentlemen) at the Cedar Club in Birmingham in 1981. > >In a move that will cause great excitement in Arkansas, the support that >night was A Flock Of Seagulls, one of three times I saw them as support in >the same month (the other times supporting Bill Nelson (at the same venue) >and the Psychedelic Furs. > >Honestly, I thought it was a hex. Both of whom -- AFOS & the Furs, that is -- are playing the US even as we speak in smallish '80s package tours, though I can't quite remember the details. I think AFOS are carting along Missing Persons, Wang Chung & Gene Loves Jezebel (probably one original member each, the way these things go, which I daresay is true of AFOS as well), while the Furs are supporting the Go-Go's, B-52's & probably somebody else. Neither tour is coming to Arkansas or even Memphis, which I'm sure will provoke rioting in the streets as soon as the realization dawns on the populace. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:36:11 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: fripp Hi Dan, My, those have got to be worth the price of a ValuJet ticket :-) Very sad to see The Furs (Fur?) relegated to that....the first two albums are still great and they were a fantastic live band. Chased the $$$$ too hard in the 80s though and it was ironic that their big 'hit' (pretty in Pink) dates from when they were still credible. Wonder which Seagull is left? If it's the singer, does he still have the hair? Mark << Both of whom -- AFOS & the Furs, that is -- are playing the US even as we speak in smallish '80s package tours, though I can't quite remember the details. I think AFOS are carting along Missing Persons, Wang Chung & Gene Loves Jezebel (probably one original member each, the way these things go, which I daresay is true of AFOS as well), while the Furs are supporting the Go-Go's, B-52's & probably somebody else. Neither tour is coming to Arkansas or even Memphis, which I'm sure will provoke rioting in the streets as soon as the realization dawns on the populace. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:47:15 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: fripp How come AFOS come up so much in this mailing list? I didn't yet understand what the attitude is towards them here, or if I may say it bluntly: Is it a Wire thing or a Jeff Lynne thing? It's funny 'cause they just played on the radio today "I Ran", which I didn't here for many years. Still naff, but brings up nice memories. giluz > >Never had much time for Fripp, but I did see him once (as The League of > >Gentlemen) at the Cedar Club in Birmingham in 1981. > > > >In a move that will cause great excitement in Arkansas, the support that > >night was A Flock Of Seagulls, one of three times I saw them as > support in > >the same month (the other times supporting Bill Nelson (at the > same venue) > >and the Psychedelic Furs. > > > >Honestly, I thought it was a hex. > > > Both of whom -- AFOS & the Furs, that is -- are playing the US even as we > speak in smallish '80s package tours, though I can't quite remember the > details. I think AFOS are carting along Missing Persons, Wang Chung & Gene > Loves Jezebel (probably one original member each, the way these things go, > which I daresay is true of AFOS as well), while the Furs are > supporting the > Go-Go's, B-52's & probably somebody else. Neither tour is coming > to Arkansas > or even Memphis, which I'm sure will provoke rioting in the > streets as soon > as the realization dawns on the populace. > > Dan > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:41:13 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: fripp I completely agree about the Furs' first 2 albums -- I think I'll play them as soon as I get off this computer, in fact. Over here, they're probably better known for Love My Way (decent pop song, but as representative of their vintage sound as Tubthumping was of Chumbawamba's ... or I Melt with You was of Modern English's, as I noted a few minutes ago on another list) than for Pretty in Pink, which is a shame. Though apparently they redid PIP for the movie of the same name, which is how most Americans know the song ... I've only got it on Talk Talk Talk. I think the Score brother (Mike?) whose coiffure led to AFOS being nicknamed A Flock of Haircuts is indeed still with the band. Somehow, I've got the impression that he's bald now, though I could be wrong. They played a small club here (same place I saw Missing Persons & Modern English a couple of years ago) at least twice in the early to mid-'90s (as did the post-McCulloch Echo & the Bunnymen), & while I would've gone out of morbid curiosity, back then I was working nights & had no chance to do so. Dan >Hi Dan, > >My, those have got to be worth the price of a ValuJet ticket :-) > >Very sad to see The Furs (Fur?) relegated to that....the first two albums are >still great and they were a fantastic live band. Chased the $$$$ too hard in >the 80s though and it was ironic that their big 'hit' (pretty in Pink) dates >from when they were still credible. Wonder which Seagull is left? If it's the >singer, does he still have the hair? > >Mark > ><< Both of whom -- AFOS & the Furs, that is -- are playing the US even as we > speak in smallish '80s package tours, though I can't quite remember the > details. I think AFOS are carting along Missing Persons, Wang Chung & Gene > Loves Jezebel (probably one original member each, the way these things go, > which I daresay is true of AFOS as well), while the Furs are supporting the > Go-Go's, B-52's & probably somebody else. Neither tour is coming to Arkansas > or even Memphis, which I'm sure will provoke rioting in the streets as soon > as the realization dawns on the populace. >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:46:17 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: fripp Because someone -- Paul Rabjohn? -- cited them a few months ago as emblematic of everything that was horrible & wrong about the early '80s, & someone with a weakness for vintage New Wave -- me -- wrote in & said they put out some really catchy singles (obviously including I Ran) that even today are pretty listenable. It was basically a (p)rerun of the recent Cars/ELO thread, which apparently you were here for. Dan >How come AFOS come up so much in this mailing list? I didn't yet understand >what the attitude is towards them here, or if I may say it bluntly: Is it a >Wire thing or a Jeff Lynne thing? It's funny 'cause they just played on the >radio today "I Ran", which I didn't here for many years. Still naff, but >brings up nice memories. > >giluz > >> >Never had much time for Fripp, but I did see him once (as The League of >> >Gentlemen) at the Cedar Club in Birmingham in 1981. >> > >> >In a move that will cause great excitement in Arkansas, the support that >> >night was A Flock Of Seagulls, one of three times I saw them as >> support in >> >the same month (the other times supporting Bill Nelson (at the >> same venue) >> >and the Psychedelic Furs. >> > >> >Honestly, I thought it was a hex. >> >> >> Both of whom -- AFOS & the Furs, that is -- are playing the US even as we >> speak in smallish '80s package tours, though I can't quite remember the >> details. I think AFOS are carting along Missing Persons, Wang Chung & Gene >> Loves Jezebel (probably one original member each, the way these things go, >> which I daresay is true of AFOS as well), while the Furs are >> supporting the >> Go-Go's, B-52's & probably somebody else. Neither tour is coming >> to Arkansas >> or even Memphis, which I'm sure will provoke rioting in the >> streets as soon >> as the realization dawns on the populace. >> >> Dan >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: Re: Wire gig at the internet Is it possible to record this show,audio or video. Rik L - --- giluz wrote: > I just watched the Wire gig at the Metro, Chicago via videostreaming. > Unbelievable and much better than the RFH gig. For those that didn't > know > about it, goto http://www.supersphere.com/Club/NoisePop/. > > giluz > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:18:44 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe that the Clash were punk, basically due to attitude. As far as I was concerned punk was never a style of music, it was to do with attitude. Can were punk, Wire were punk, Syd Barrett was punk, The Pistols were punk, all differing styles, but similar attitude. My problem with The Clash (and I have to say, these people changed my life!) was that by "London Calling" the attitude and spirit had gone. When they played Shea stadium, it was one of the saddest moments of my (musical) life. Supporting a bunch of has beens, in a massive fucking stadium.YUK. I'd say half of "London Calling" is great, the other half is piss poor. Karoke Clash. See how many styles we can copy."Sandinista" was the final nail in the coffin for me. But I think we've discussed this before, so I'll shut the fuck up now! 'Hoppy' Hopkins..... I still think London Calling is a great > album, but I think of the Clash not as a punk band but more as the Rolling > Stones of the 70's, i.e. classic rockn'roll band. Maybe that's why you old > punksters didn't like it. > > giluz > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:45:16 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > I believe that the Clash were punk, basically due to attitude. As far as > I was concerned punk was never a style of music, it was to do with > attitude. Can were punk, Wire were punk, Syd Barrett was punk, The > Pistols were punk, all differing styles, but similar attitude. > My problem with The Clash (and I have to say, these people changed > my life!) was that by "London Calling" the attitude and spirit had gone. > When they played Shea stadium, it was one of the saddest moments of > my (musical) life. Supporting a bunch of has beens, Would that've been when they were opening for the Who? If so, the latter are touring again ... a friend of mine in Philadelphia is supposed to see them soon. Sad, really -- & to think that I couldn't be bothered to pay $15 or so to see them play Sun Devil Stadium about 4 blocks from where we were living in early '82. Not that I was ever much of a Who fan anyway, for reasons I've never quite been able to grasp (possibly Daltrey's occasional proto-Plantesque histrionics). I sold my copy of Tommy to a visiting Mormon missionary back in '79 or so, & Quadrophenia & Who's Next were traded in almost the second I got to Phoenix a couple of years after that. Odds & Sods is a decent little collection, though. in a massive fucking > stadium.YUK. I'd say half of "London Calling" is great, the other half is > piss poor. Karoke Clash. See how many styles we can copy."Sandinista" > was the final nail in the coffin for me. But I think we've discussed this > before, so I'll shut the fuck up now! As will I, except to note that your read on the situation is almost identical to my own, though we'd probably quibble over which song belongs in which category. For me, the 2nd half of the album is a total waste, with the exception of I'm Not Down & Train in Vain. Dan > 'Hoppy' Hopkins..... > > I still think London Calling is a great >> album, but I think of the Clash not as a punk band but more as the Rolling >> Stones of the 70's, i.e. classic rockn'roll band. Maybe that's why you old >> punksters didn't like it. >> >> giluz >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:34:51 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: fripp A Flock Of Shit deserve respect, if only for the most rediculous haircut ever worn by man or beast! > How come AFOS come up so much in this mailing list? I didn't yet understand > what the attitude is towards them here, or if I may say it bluntly: Is it a > Wire thing or a Jeff Lynne thing? It's funny 'cause they just played on the > radio today "I Ran", which I didn't here for many years. Still naff, but > brings up nice memories. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:52:51 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: Wire gig at the internet Thanks for the link. Fun watching it. I forwarded it to the people who saw the Boston show with me, and a cousin who missed it. The line-up was very similar to the Boston show. I think it was a bit longer though in Chicago. Now I know why Graham had no voice in Boston on 5/12! Katherine > From: "giluz" > Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:28:14 +0200 > To: "IdealCopy" > Subject: Wire gig at the internet > > I just watched the Wire gig at the Metro, Chicago via videostreaming. > Unbelievable and much better than the RFH gig. For those that didn't know > about it, goto http://www.supersphere.com/Club/NoisePop/. > > giluz > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:34:46 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: fripp << Because someone -- Paul Rabjohn? -- cited them a few months ago as emblematic of everything that was horrible & wrong about the early '80s, & someone with a weakness for vintage New Wave -- me -- wrote in & said they put out some really catchy singles (obviously including I Ran) that even today are pretty listenable. >> ...and then the rest of us ue any available opportunity to drag them into the conversation in order to wind Dan up!!!!! Mark (who did, genuinely, endure three AFOS gigs) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:43:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re Londons burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dan, << in a massive fucking > stadium.YUK. I'd say half of "London Calling" is great, the other half is > piss poor. Karoke Clash. See how many styles we can copy."Sandinista" > was the final nail in the coffin for me. But I think we've discussed this > before, so I'll shut the fuck up now! As will I, except to note that your read on the situation is almost identical to my own, though we'd probably quibble over which song belongs in which category. For me, the 2nd half of the album is a total waste, with the exception of I'm Not Down & Train in Vain. >> I'd concur that now, both LC and Sandanista are best edited down to a single album. But at the time I really liked virtually all of LC and probably most of Sandanista. And I didn't see either album as a sell-out, or indeed the fact that the Clash (they changed my life too) were no longer bored with the USA - rather they were exploring its musical backwaters in a way that few white American artists were doing at the time. I still find it extraordinary that a band that was so instrumental in one musical movement - punk - should be able to pinpoint the zeitgeist of other movements - London Calling refers pretty directly to the (then new) ska movement in the UK and Sandanista contains almost certainly the first references to hip hop culture on a "white boy" rock album. Total respect, and always very definitely "punk". Except for Cut the Crap :-( Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:25:59 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: fripp You've never seen photos of Keith Flynt(sp?) of Prodigy taken within the last 4 years, then. Absolutely the most idiotic-looking thing I've ever laid eyes on. And as for aggregate bad hair, mid-'80s Cocteau Twins take the prize. Dan > A Flock Of Shit deserve respect, if only for the most rediculous haircut > ever worn by man or beast! > > >> How come AFOS come up so much in this mailing list? I didn't yet >understand >> what the attitude is towards them here, or if I may say it bluntly: Is it >a >> Wire thing or a Jeff Lynne thing? It's funny 'cause they just played on >the >> radio today "I Ran", which I didn't here for many years. Still naff, but >> brings up nice memories. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:45:54 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Get ya haircut!!!!! Fair point mate! Except of course TheProdigy have made some fantastic records, 'Gilted Generation' deserves special mention. I last saw the prod's live about 6 years ago at the Island in Ilford, and the whole event was fucking amazing. I've not seen that reaction from a crowd since I last saw The Ramones some time in the distant and ancient past. Mind you, seeing as I was hallucinating by 4am, my account of events should be taken lightly! ;-) Le Cat Siamese. You've never seen photos of Keith Flynt(sp?) of Prodigy taken within the > last 4 years, then. Absolutely the most idiotic-looking thing I've ever laid > eyes on. And as for aggregate bad hair, mid-'80s Cocteau Twins take the > prize. > > Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:44:32 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Wire gig at the internet Well, there's a WinAmp plugin called Innover's RealAudio plugin, which is supposed to convert RealAudio files to wav files. I didn't find any refernce of converting RealMedia files (video streaming) to AVI or any other video format. If someone can search the net for any other solution, please post it on the list. The plugin can be found at http://myhome.shinbiro.com/~ddongper/innoreal/index.html. I couldn't get it to work properly, but my computer acts really weird recently, so it doesn't have to be due to the plugin itself. Guess it's time for the periodical format c:\. > > > Is it possible to record this show,audio or video. > Rik L > > > > I just watched the Wire gig at the Metro, Chicago via videostreaming. > > Unbelievable and much better than the RFH gig. For those that didn't > > know > > about it, goto http://www.supersphere.com/Club/NoisePop/. > > > > giluz > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #207 *******************************