From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #204 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, July 2 2000 Volume 03 : Number 204 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE:cutouts ["webmaster" ] RE: self-destructing cd cases ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Timothy Leary - introduction ["lucifersam" ] Re: "The 4th album" (was Re: Garage (Saturday)) [Ian Calder ] Re: tons of extraneous emails [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: Old Video trawl [obie ] oh yes............... ["lucifersam" ] Associates... ["Cubano Anglophilico" ] Re: band names [ajwells@att.net] Re: Old Video trawl [obie ] Re: Londons Burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["Bob Swan" ] Re: Re Cut outs [obie ] gay Wire member? ["Cubano Anglophilico" ] Re: Wire on mobile phones ["Bob Swan" ] Re: Re (un)Great live performances [iain@pollyanna.demon.co.uk (Iain & Bu] RE: Re Cut outs ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:17:08 -0500 From: "webmaster" Subject: RE:cutouts Why? Record Labels and Distributors don't take returns (!) on deleted catalog thus, the reason to physically mark the product, i.e. cut-out. One would hope that when Elektra cut-out The Drill that the longbox was drilled, not saw-cut. (Saw cut is more appropriate for moog lps). Can anyone verify this? Micro Center here has jewel cases for $0.19 ea c ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:25:46 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: self-destructing cd cases - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com Sent: 30 June 2000 19:12 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: self-destructing cd cases In a message dated 6/30/00 11:19:59 AM, alan.gray@twa-group.com writes: << they seem designed to self destruct. Scenario A Buy a CD take it home, take it out of the bag and there's a crack across the cover. Scenario B Buy a CD take it home, take it out of the bag and one of the little hinge efforts has broken so the lid is no good and you have to swop it for the lid of a lesser liked CD. The cases of CD's you don't like so much seem imbued with a greater survival instinct. In other words why are CD cases shite in the first place? >> i don't usually do this, but it's a perfect opportunity to plug my friend's work... bruce licher (of independent project records & press) designed a discfolio, a cd case made of folded cardboard, with a nifty little pocket for the cd, booklet, artwork, etc... beautiful to look at and environmentally friendly! his print work is done on old handfed letterpresses. you can see samples of his work at my website, Trudge! http://members.tripod.com/~Trudge ...wire reference...licher designed the covers for the Tone cds. Tone opened for Wire in washington d.c. last month. ...secondary wire reference...my copy of manscape comes in a similar package, with a neat little poster. anyone else have this one? Yes, me too? AndyL only time i ever saw it was when i got mine. - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:52:47 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: 8 Time I notice there is no review of the 4AD albm '8 Time' by Gilbert and Lewis on Wireviews. From what I can gather this is a compilation of Dome/ G&L singles etc. Am I right? I just got the Dome twofers which I think are excellent records. Is this worth getting as well? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 17:55:08 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #202 > Of interest to Wire fans as Mr Bruce Gilbert was on DJ duty between acts. I > was expecting him to sound like a Lawnmower falling down the stairs but he was > actually playing quite enjoyable sounds and was one of the few acts to test > the acoustics of the venue a bit. Its nice to know you can be 54 and still challenging > and (beyond) cutting edge. My Dads the same age as Bruce Gilbert and if he DJ'd > we'd be listening to Cliff Richard and Van Morrison! In other words, your dad would be playing some "quite enjoyable sounds", eh? ;) Last summer I saw Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth make so much noise w/ his guitar that he sent a bunch of "really cool" subarban guys running for the exit w/ their hands on their ears. That's what I'd want to see Bruce do. By the way, I found a source for Bruce's new single. If anyone is interested, let me know. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:36:45 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: I am The Fly...................... http://www.flypower.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:20:30 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Timothy Leary - introduction Hmmmmmmmmm http://www.leary.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:42:52 +0100 From: Ian Calder Subject: Re: "The 4th album" (was Re: Garage (Saturday)) >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:13:57 -0400 (EDT) >From: Andrew N Westmeyer >Subject: Re: "The 4th album" (was Re: Garage (Saturday)) > > Excellent! But here's another addition. I've heard an early version of > "Cancel Your Order" (from Dome 1) by Wire. It would have been entirely > appropriate for D&E. Mmmmm... sounds interesting. Just out of curiosity, where does this hail from? Live tape? Demo recording? regards, Ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:15:27 -0500 From: "webmaster" Subject: RE: idealcopy-digest V3 #190 SO exactly what was Fripp saying? "I'm sorry, we've made an album that is like something I've already done. With the only members of my band that wanted to stay with me?" Don't get me wrong, Exposure is a GREAT album, but of all the fucking people in the world, I can't believe Fripp would compare a "New" work with an "Old" work. He's GOT to be the biggest prog dinosaur (and KC hanging on for dear life) or a very tall tale... c At 01:29 PM 6/21/00, Barry Braxton wrote: >I had the priveledge to speak with a certain Mr.Fripp about two months ago >as he stopped by a studio where I go to check out the Rosenbergs. He >explained that the new Crimson would sound like Exposure-one of his many >solo albums and yes it may sound anacronistic but I'm sure that musically >it will still smack the pants off of N'Stink and the Backdoor Boys and >Britney Spear me please anyday! shop@wiremailorder.com http://wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:03:38 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: tons of extraneous emails Hi Garrett, Idealcopy@smoe.org is a mailing list that discusses the band Wire and other related or semi-related topics of interest. You may have inadvertently been subscribed to this list. (I've seen this happen with hotmail and aol on other mailing lists I belong to.) You need to unsubscribe from this list to stop receiving these messages - unless, of course, you find them groovy. (^_^) For information on how to unsubscribe, you can get the details here: http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/wire/ Cheers, Paul Pietromonaco > Hello idealcopy. Somehow I keep getting tons of emails (10-20 per day) >that are addressed to idealcopy. Please look into this and let me know why >this is occuring. Thank you. > > >>From: Carl Archer >>To: >>Subject: True Love >>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:11:06 -0400 >> >>Hi All. Please check out http://www.trueloverocks.com and check out the >>songs. I've known the drummer from True Love for about 5 years. He just >>started this band last year and their CD was just released last week. I am >>absofuckinglutely blown away by this stuff, and want feedback from anybody >>who checks it out. Just e-mail me, not the whole list, with your opinions. >>I play in two bands currently, so I hope you understand that plugging >>somebody else's band is something not every musician would do when they >>need >>to advertise themselves. >> >>Thanks, >>Carl >>notcarl@home.com >> > >_______________________________________________________________________ _ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:26:12 -0700 From: obie Subject: Re: Old Video trawl <008c01bfd39b$50c5dfc0$f810883e@markfarley> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk It occurs to me that I remember that show (Snub). it was shown ,here in the states, as part of the USA networks "Night Flight". If anyone remembers "Night Flight" , you recall that it would never show the whole program. So something tells me , what's a 15 minutes show on Night Flight was a wonderful hour long (or so) show in the UK, and I'm sure it was edited for US market for content as well as time reasons. Is there any anthologies of the show Snub? A video collection one could get a hold of? I remember one show features the band "The Brilliant Corners" which I was quite fond of , but could never find their recordings anywhere? ian barrett wrote: > > Talk of the old Snub / Granada progs had me searching (fruitlessly) through > one or two old videos for AC Marias. W ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:33:46 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: oh yes............... I'd just like to share my joy with fellow English folk on the list, after saturday....................... YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:44:22 -0700 From: "Cubano Anglophilico" Subject: Associates... would whoever had posted at least a month ago info on an Associates webpage re-post the url? I'd love to take a look at it again & forgot to bookmark it! thanks, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:31:29 -0700 From: ajwells@att.net Subject: Re: band names MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > Giluz, > > << Right, and they were indeed a great band. The Loveless gig at the T&C was > the most amazing gig I've ever seen. > Does anyone know anything about recent things done by MBV members? >> > > MBV does still exist, but is just Kevin Shields and Bilinda Butcher (who are > married and have kids). New album due around 2007. Perhaps. Shields played on > the new Primal Scream album and has been playing live with them. The bassist > (can't remember her name) is in Snowpony with Katherine Gifford > (ex-Stereolab) and the drummer (Colm O'Cossaig) played drums for Mazzy Star > last week (it says in the NME). > > Mark Colm also has his own thing called Clear Spot... they released a 7 inch awhile back A. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:04:40 -0700 From: obie Subject: Re: Old Video trawl As this is no doubt out of print, is there anyway for me to get a copy of this? I would pay for dubbing cost and shipping ... Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > > I think I have a SnubTV compilation video, if we're talking about the > same > > thing here. I remember buying it because it had The Fall's Bill Is Dead. > > I'll have to look it up, together with the Granada early punk shows which > I > > also have but still didn't find. My video collection is in complete > disarray > > and it could take me hours just to find it (I have hundreds). > > I can confirm there were SnubTV compilation videos - even though I'm in > America. And, that's because I have one. > > It was released by MCEG/Virgin Music video in 1991 or so. The funny thing > is that it's listed as Volume 2. So, there must have been a volume one at > some point (duh....) Also, the NTSC logo is a sticker, so it must have > been released originally in PAL. > > Here's what's on it. > 1. The Fall - Bill Is Dead > 2. Tackhead - Mind and Movement Control > 3. Kid Congo - La Historia De Un Amour > 4. Happy Mondays - Wrote For Luck > 5. Ted Chippington - Pull Up > 6. A Certain Ratio - Tribeca > 7. Ride - Drive Blind > 8. Ancient Beatbox - Raining > 9. Loop - From Centre to Wave > 10. Blue Aeroplanes - ... And Stones > 11. Breeders - Iris > 12. The Cramps - All Women Are Bad > 13. James - Government Walls > 14. Big Hard Excellent Fish - Imperfect List > > The box quote? "SNUB Television: The sharpest music on British television > selects the highlights of their second BBC 2 series" > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:38:05 +0100 From: "Bob Swan" Subject: Re: Londons Burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It all depends on your viewpoint Dan. I view the glass as half-full (or a bit more than that in this case). I paid for 1 album, got 3, and find enough to make a great single album, or pretty decent double - I'm satisfied. And one man's filler may be another's fave track (OK, unlikely in the case of Career Opportunities sung by some out-of-tune kid!). But would it have been a better album if they had edited it down to the 12 best tracks (in whoevers opinion) and left the other 24 off? I personally like the idea that they just bashed everything down, stuck the lot out and basically said - "here it is, warts and all - take your pick!". Now, if they had charged a triple album price for it, I'd maybe think differently! BobS - -----Original Message----- From: tube disaster To: Ideal Copy Mailing list Date: 11 June 2000 03:40 Subject: Re: Londons Burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >Wait a second ... something that you admit is somewhat close to 33 percent >filler nevertheless qualifies as "magnificent"? Wow, standards must've >*plummeted* while my back was turned. > >Dan > > >>Me too! >> >>Sandinista is, as Strummer says on the Westway to the World video, >>"magnificent". I agree there are numerous filler tracks on there, but that >>still leaves more than enough good stuff to fill a standard double album. >> >>I've never attempted to listen to the whole thing right through! >> >>BobS >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: giluz >>To: IdealCopy >>Date: 01 June 2000 09:18 >>Subject: RE: Londons Burning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> >> > >> > >> >> I actually like Sandanista. Well, not all of it, but what a >> >> fantastic thing >> >> to do. Did you see Strummer talking about Sandanista on the recent >> >> documentary? How it was a product of all the stuff they were into >> >> - from dub >> >> to blues to jazz to country to pub rock to proto-hip hop. Recorded in a >> >> couple of weeks and they just put it all out, no editing. Let the >> >> buyer work >> >> it out. OK, nobody I know (myself included) likes it all. >> > >> >Hey, I do. >> > >> >giluz >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [none] Stereo Society Newsletter 00.06 http://www.stereosociety.com Here's one from history. Five QTVR (QuickTime Virtual Reality) panoramas were created experimentally by Apple at CBGB's in 1995, when the application was in beta testing. With the elimination of Apple's multimedia division in 1997, they might have been lost. But, having assisted in the original sessions, we had them in our archives. The band on stage is Fossil. Only a couple more photo shoots would have been needed for complete club documentation, but the horror of the bathrooms possibly deterred the otherwise valiant photographer. Much worse than Hilly Kristal's Mud. The little wiggly pig would have been appalled. We offer individual panoramas (instead of an integrated file like the QTVR of our studio) for more convenient download. Play them by opening in the QuickTime player, (Windows or Macintosh). All files are about 500K, or about 5 minutes' download with a typical 56K dial-up modem connection. To CBGB's QuickTime VR - http://www.stereosociety.com/cbgbqtvr.html To Hilly Kristal's homepage - http://www.stereosociety.com/hillykristal.html To Stereo Society studio QuickTime VR - http://www.stereosociety.com/studio.html =================================================== Wire were on tour and (shock, horror) were playing their old songs from the late seventies. They started in 1976 as a drums/bass/guitar/vocal lineup, but later lost Robert the drummer and dropped the 'e' to become Wir. Jump-started by the offer of a gig at London's Royal Festival Hall, they returned to their beat combo lineup and embarked on a short revival tour of the US. We enjoyed them at New York's Irving Plaza and are glad that the grand old New York Times appreciated the gig too. It would have been easy to interview Wire's voluble/volatile Colin Newman or Graham Lewis, but they seemed too easy a catch. We snared Bruce Gilbert last year in the Golden Heart, his favorite East London pub. The only honorable option was to catch the quiet man of Wire, drummer Robert Gotobed (his real original surname, which he changed to Grey in a recently hip moment). Words were forthcoming. To the New York Times Wire concert review - http://www.stereosociety.com/wirnytimes.html To Robert Gotobed's interview with Mike Thorne - http://www.stereosociety.com/rgintmt.html To Wire Central - http://www.stereosociety.com/wire.html =================================================== Téléphone were innovative French proto-punks in 1977. The making of their first album, now called Anna and one of only three available on import from amazon.com in the US, highlight interesting differences in punk attitudes as the ideas spread outwards from New York and then Britain in the summer of '76. Mike Thorne adds to his archive of production commentaries, with brazen French misspellings. Since you probably don't know this CD, we provide streaming audio versions of a couple of tracks. Mp3 or other downloads cannot be offered, but the still-fresh CD is well worth checking out. From 1977, it's a full generation before BETTY's Millennium Man, which does spell correctly and is still available in free mp3 format (single and remix versions both). To Mike Thorne's Téléphone commentary - http://www.stereosociety.com/telephone.html To Mike Thorne's production commentaries ­ http://www.stereosociety.com/thprod.html =================================================== Don't forget you can access all previous updates and additions with live links using the New button. With the site now past 500 pages, it's helpful to navigate using the Index button. To the New section - http://www.stereosociety.com/new.html To the Site Index - http://www.stereosociety.com/index1.html ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:31:33 -0700 From: obie Subject: Re: Re Cut outs Speaking of which , I now see the new releases of IBTABA , A bell is a CUP , WIR , and the Ideal copy , but was 154 re released? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:19:34 -0700 From: "Cubano Anglophilico" Subject: gay Wire member? I was curious in the most un-lurid way possible if anyone thinks or knows if Bruce Gilbert is gay (I'm not aware of him being married). I always used to think that Graham was gay (many lyrics always insinuated homoeroticism in both his Wire stint & on some of the He Said songs)...but know he's happily married (not to say there aren't loads of 'happily married' men out there who are repressed or bisexual). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:27:56 +0100 From: "Bob Swan" Subject: Re: Wire on mobile phones What about the intro to Madman's Honey? - -----Original Message----- From: sean bowen To: ideal copy Date: 24 June 2000 21:02 Subject: Wire on mobile phones >Hi all, > > Anyone ever heard a Wire melody as the ringing tune on someone's mobile >? >At work, I'm constantly sujected to tinny bleepings of 'Ride of the >Walkuries', Bach's Toccata, Widor, James Bond theme, Muppet show theme, >Beethoven #9, and that 'Down down down' dance hit from last year. > > ( Personally, I think all mobile users should be strung up from >transmitter masts, but I think I could make an exception for someone who'd >taken the trouble to program the 'Map Ref'. chorus or the chiming riff from >'Ahead'). > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:23:28 +0100 From: iain@pollyanna.demon.co.uk (Iain & Bunny Smedley) Subject: Re: Re (un)Great live performances >>>p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few >of >>>those! > >I saw The Fall at Camden Dingwalls a couple of years or so ago. >Anyone else there that night? I think they played a couple of nights in quick succession, or maybe it was the following year, but I recall a hilariously bad Fall concert at that venue in that time frame. The band consisted of a guitarist and a keyboardist only, the others having recently departed. MES spent a good portion of the gig offstage. At one point, the guitarist left and some random member of the audience grabbed the guitar and played for a couple of songs. I still go to the Fall a lot - expecting them to be really bad half the time and pure genius the rest of the time. I remember one concert (I think at the Astoria) on the same night as the football - some key World Cup 98 match, or maybe even Euro 96. Maybe 100 people max in the audience in a huge venue - supplemented by a horde of 12-year-old european schoolkids on a visit to London, who'd obviously been sold lots of "cheap pop concert tickets" by an unscrupulous promoter. MES was offstage a lot that night too - - watching the footie too, we speculated. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:58:45 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re Cut outs > In other words why are CD cases shite in the first place? > > Alan > Because they were invented in the 80's giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #204 *******************************