From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #203 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 1 2000 Volume 03 : Number 203 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Hacienda/Batcave ["lucifersam" ] Re: Festival of Drifting ["lucifersam" ] Re[2]: Festival of Drifting [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Magma [Anthony Clough ] Shinkansen [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: duffelbag.com [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: duffelbag.com [Katherine Pouliot ] RE: Magma ["webmaster" ] Re: cut-outs (was re: duffelbag.com) [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: cut-outs (was re: duffelbag.com) [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: duffelbag.com ["lucifersam" ] Re: Re Cut outs [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: self-destructing cd cases [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] quote [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: self-destructing cd cases and Tone ["A. Izenstark" ] Re: and Tone [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: and Tone ["stephen graziano" ] Re: Re Cut outs [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:24:29 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Hacienda/Batcave I remember those days at The Hacienda. I remember Department S played there once, and Pete Shelly was DJing (as he was out of a job!). While the group were doing there soundcheck, the Dept S tour manager asked Shelly if he could move his box of records off of the stage area as the group wanted to do a sound check and he didn't want them tripping over records. Pete Shelly, with a look if shock and horror on his face turns around and says " Dont you know who I am"!!!!! The tour manager was a 40 year old hippy who wouldn't know Buzzcocks if they kicked him up the arse! So he turns around to Shelly and says "Actually. Idont know who you are, but if you dont move those fucking records, I'm gonna break your fucking legs!".....Peter wasn't a happy bunny..hee hee > Cat, > > << It's funny really, I still have 2 membership cards for the 'Batcave'. >> > > Somewhere I still have a 1983 membership card for the Hacienda, from when > they had bands on and before it relocated to Beirut. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:43:42 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Festival of Drifting > Is there nothing new under the sun? > During ELP's heyday, Greg Lake had his own rug when on stage. Obviously incase he needed a sleep, due to boring himself into oblivion\!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:48:31 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Festival of Drifting <<<<< great (!) review of FOD in the guardian yesterday , described bruce as playing amplified noise from the M62 but conceded he was one of the better acts. the reviewer slagged off everything else completely with some venom , suggesting the whole lot was best buried in a snowdrift. between ourseves i don't think he liked it much...p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Festival of Drifting Author: MIME:timrobinson@cwcom.net at INTERNET Date: 29/06/2000 23:35 No there was no free CD. Unless I missed something? Graeme?! On 29 Jun 00, at 14:55, Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk wrote: > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:11:11 +0100 () From: Anthony Clough Subject: Re: Magma "Overblown" - well that's reasonable I suppose. "Pretentious" , possibly, but no more so than Wire. If Wagner had formed a jazz-prog band it would have sounded like this but like many an unlikely hybrid the reality is better than it sounds on paper. They played London earlier this year and were awesome (obviously playing to the converted) and produced the most ecstatic response I can recall ever seeing. Tony ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:19:24 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Shinkansen - --0__=lepbB8RQk8GyYkwoA5TaMfiOLKuxTadFGVd7lGhGWTUXZHJONSxl3qxB Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline For those interested Shinkansen (an off shoot of Sarah Records (I think)) has a few gems on their site. Prices are pretty good and just out is a sampler for less than - --0__=lepbB8RQk8GyYkwoA5TaMfiOLKuxTadFGVd7lGhGWTUXZHJONSxl3qxB Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =A34.00. More inf. from http://www.shink.dircon.co.uk/index.htm Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privil= eged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it= or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. = - --0__=lepbB8RQk8GyYkwoA5TaMfiOLKuxTadFGVd7lGhGWTUXZHJONSxl3qxB-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:29:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: duffelbag.com Tim, << Also, what does 'cut out' mean? Does it just mean discount price? >> It means it's deleted. In America they cut the corners off album covers to denote this. With CDs they sometimes grind holes in the cases (!) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:38:53 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: duffelbag.com > From: MarkBursa@aol.com > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:29:00 EDT > To: timrobinson@cwcom.net, idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: duffelbag.com > > Tim, > > << Also, what does 'cut out' mean? Does it just mean discount price? >> > > It means it's deleted. In America they cut the corners off album covers to > denote this. With CDs they sometimes grind holes in the cases (!) > > Mark > deleted??? like, as in, no songs on it??? I'm confused. DUH Katherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:39:48 -0500 From: "webmaster" Subject: RE: Magma Check out their live concert that's at the HOUSE OF BLUES web site (www.hob.com). Christian Vander is a drummer extraordinary and resident nutcake. (He invented the "Kobian" language). However, their music is more jazz than rock, but never goes near fusion. They "dark" is the near operatic vocals, but musically I think they're more "heavy"... never overblown. Somehow they're closer to King Crimson (Fripp/Bruford/Wetton) for intensity. > I've heard very little by Magma, and it was a long time ago. "Overblown" > probably sums them up. But just because their overall concept is > a bit naff that doesn't mean there isn't some good music in there as well. To my knowledge Magma did not have their own rugs. > problem with bands who bring their own carpet on tour with them, gawd 'elp us! charles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:21:19 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: cut-outs (was re: duffelbag.com) In a message dated 6/30/00 9:47:39 AM, kep99@hotmail.com writes: << > << Also, what does 'cut out' mean? Does it just mean discount price? >> > > It means it's deleted. In America they cut the corners off album covers to > denote this. With CDs they sometimes grind holes in the cases (!) > > Mark > deleted??? like, as in, no songs on it??? I'm confused. DUH >> when a record (or cd) is no longer being produced for sale, the remaining copies often have a "cut-out" in the cover. this can be a hole, cut corner, or saw cut in the spine. stores usually sell these cheap (like in a "cut-out" bin) or they sell them mixed in with their used cds/lps. stores that sell used stuff usually have promotional copies of cds/lps in their used sections too. promos have the upc code crossed out, or a sticker or stamp on the cover stating that the cd/lp is for "promotional use only and is the property of the record company, blah blah blah..." and sometimes promos come in a different sleeve than the official release, accompanied by a note to radio stations, etc., telling them which songs are recommended for airplay and blah blah blah... happy shopping! - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:38:28 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: cut-outs (was re: duffelbag.com) > when a record (or cd) is no longer being produced for sale, the remaining > copies often have a "cut-out" in the cover. this can be a hole, cut corner, > or saw cut in the spine. stores usually sell these cheap (like in a "cut-out" > bin) or they sell them mixed in with their used cds/lps. stores that sell > used stuff usually have promotional copies of cds/lps in their used sections > too. promos have the upc code crossed out, or a sticker or stamp on the cover > stating that the cd/lp is for "promotional use only and is the property of > the record company, blah blah blah..." and sometimes promos come in a > different sleeve than the official release, accompanied by a note to radio > stations, etc., telling them which songs are recommended for airplay and blah > blah blah... > > happy shopping! > > -paul > > ah, that makes much more sense. My stepfather used to work for CBS records and sooo many of our records had that "promotional use only..." and holes cut into the record sleeves. I think I may have a few of those myself even now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:57:47 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: cut-outs (was re: duffelbag.com) >In a message dated 6/30/00 9:47:39 AM, kep99@hotmail.com writes: > ><< >> << Also, what does 'cut out' mean? Does it just mean discount price? >> >> >> It means it's deleted. In America they cut the corners off album covers to >> denote this. With CDs they sometimes grind holes in the cases (!) >> >> Mark >> > >deleted??? like, as in, no songs on it??? I'm confused. DUH >> > >when a record (or cd) is no longer being produced for sale, the remaining >copies often have a "cut-out" in the cover. this can be a hole, cut corner, >or saw cut in the spine. stores usually sell these cheap (like in a "cut-out" >bin) or they sell them mixed in with their used cds/lps. Which is how some of us picked up A Bell is a Cup, It's Beginning To, the 154 reissue & (switching bands) the very unlikely likes of The Fall's Early Years in the early '90s ... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:13:14 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Re Cut outs I understand the concept of deleted stock and have several of them and some promos, but, I'm surprised that anyone would bother to cut bits out of a CD cover as they seem designed to self destruct. Scenario A Buy a CD take it home, take it out of the bag and there's a crack across the cover. Scenario B Buy a CD take it home, take it out of the bag and one of the little hinge efforts has broken so the lid is no good and you have to swop it for the lid of a lesser liked CD. The cases of CD's you don't like so much seem imbued with a greater survival instinct. In other words why are CD cases shite in the first place? Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:12:56 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: duffelbag.com > deleted??? like, as in, no songs on it??? I'm confused. DUH > Katherine As in No longer available dear..;-) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:47:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re Cut outs Alan, Go to PC World or some imilar computer/office supply shop and buy a big pack of CD cases - 20 for £5 is about the going rate. Don't buy them from recor shops as they charge about 4 times as much for the same badly made rubbish. Then you can replace the cut-out/brolken hinge/stickers with indelible superglue/cracked/scratched/otherwise shite cases with nice spanky new ones for a few extra pence/cents/etc.... Mark << I understand the concept of deleted stock and have several of them and some promos, but, I'm surprised that anyone would bother to cut bits out of a CD cover as they seem designed to self destruct. Scenario A Buy a CD take it home, take it out of the bag and there's a crack across the cover. Scenario B Buy a CD take it home, take it out of the bag and one of the little hinge efforts has broken so the lid is no good and you have to swop it for the lid of a lesser liked CD. The cases of CD's you don't like so much seem imbued with a greater survival instinct. In other words why are CD cases shite in the first place? >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:12:15 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: self-destructing cd cases In a message dated 6/30/00 11:19:59 AM, alan.gray@twa-group.com writes: << they seem designed to self destruct. Scenario A Buy a CD take it home, take it out of the bag and there's a crack across the cover. Scenario B Buy a CD take it home, take it out of the bag and one of the little hinge efforts has broken so the lid is no good and you have to swop it for the lid of a lesser liked CD. The cases of CD's you don't like so much seem imbued with a greater survival instinct. In other words why are CD cases shite in the first place? >> i don't usually do this, but it's a perfect opportunity to plug my friend's work... bruce licher (of independent project records & press) designed a discfolio, a cd case made of folded cardboard, with a nifty little pocket for the cd, booklet, artwork, etc... beautiful to look at and environmentally friendly! his print work is done on old handfed letterpresses. you can see samples of his work at my website, Trudge! http://members.tripod.com/~Trudge ...wire reference...licher designed the covers for the Tone cds. Tone opened for Wire in washington d.c. last month. ...secondary wire reference...my copy of manscape comes in a similar package, with a neat little poster. anyone else have this one? only time i ever saw it was when i got mine. - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:22:04 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: quote Just a little quote for you all before I leave for the weekend: there are a million people who can come up with little bits. the hard work is making those bits into something. Jeff Lynne Thought you might get a kick out of that. Someone just e-mailed me a list of quotes, and that was on it. hahhaah enjoy the weekend! Katherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:08:59 -0400 From: "A. Izenstark" Subject: Re: self-destructing cd cases and Tone > i don't usually do this, but it's a perfect opportunity to plug my > friend's work... > > bruce licher (of independent project records & press) designed a > discfolio, a cd case made of folded cardboard, with a nifty little > pocket for the cd, booklet, artwork, etc... > > beautiful to look at and environmentally friendly! his print work is > done on old handfed letterpresses. I agree. I have a handful of CDs with discfolios -- Lanterna, Scenic, and Half String -- and the artwork and printing is stunning. The only problem occurs if you're hard on your CDs and their packaging. My Lanterna is in near mint condition, but my ex's is quite ratty, although both were bought when the CD came out. > ...wire reference...licher designed the covers for the Tone cds. Tone opened > for Wire in washington d.c. last month. What are they like? The guy I bought my car from was wearing a Tone t-shirt when I first met him. I was so concerned about the fact that I was buying a car that I never had the chance to talk music with him... A. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:23:50 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: quote You trying to get the weekend off to a bad start madam!!!!ELO...GGGrrrrrrrrrrrrr:-) > Just a little quote for you all before I leave for the weekend: > > there are a million people who can come up with > little bits. the hard work is making those bits into something. > Jeff Lynne > > > Thought you might get a kick out of that. Someone just e-mailed me a list > of quotes, and that was on it. hahhaah > > enjoy the weekend! > Katherine > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:25:44 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: and Tone In a message dated 6/30/00 5:06:20 PM, aizenstark@mindspring.com writes: << Tone opened > for Wire in washington d.c. last month. What are they like? >> ipr described them as a sorta cross between glenn branca and savage republic, which is pretty darn accurate, especially on the first cd titled Build. the sound on the Sustain cd is similar, but not having listened to it as much as the first, i can't give a detailed description except to add that it's a bit more ethnic sounding in parts...and it's also produced by Robert Poss (of band of susans and GILBERTPOSSSTENGER!). poss also produced the new tone material which should be out sometime this year. - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:42:33 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: and Tone None of which stops them from being very boring. Six guitars doing the job of three. >From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com >To: aizenstark@mindspring.com, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: and Tone >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:25:44 EDT > > >In a message dated 6/30/00 5:06:20 PM, aizenstark@mindspring.com writes: > ><< Tone opened > > for Wire in washington d.c. last month. > >What are they like? >> > >ipr described them as a sorta cross between glenn branca and savage >republic, >which is pretty darn accurate, especially on the first cd titled Build. the >sound on the Sustain cd is similar, but not having listened to it as much >as >the first, i can't give a detailed description except to add that it's a >bit >more ethnic sounding in parts...and it's also produced by Robert Poss (of >band of susans and GILBERTPOSSSTENGER!). poss also produced the new tone >material which should be out sometime this year. > >-paul ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:17:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Re Cut outs On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Go to PC World or some imilar computer/office supply shop and buy a big pack > of CD cases - 20 for £5 is about the going rate. Don't buy them from recor > shops as they charge about 4 times as much for the same badly made rubbish. > > Then you can replace the cut-out/brolken hinge/stickers with indelible > superglue/cracked/scratched/otherwise shite cases with nice spanky new ones > for a few extra pence/cents/etc.... Of course, this leads to the problem that, for me, usually the front cover cracks first. So I replace it, and end up with a bunch of back covers and insert trays... Too bad they don't sell the components of jewelboxes individually. - -j ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #203 *******************************