From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #202 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 30 2000 Volume 03 : Number 202 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Dark Music (was Re: the Cure) [Mark Short ] beautiful girls & boys [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Damage Manual [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Festival of Drifting [timrobinson@cwcom.net] Re: Festival of Drifting [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: Re[4]: Killing Joke [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re[6]: Killing Joke [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Sonar 2000 [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: CN/4AD ["ian barrett" ] Re: Re[2]: CN/4AD ["ian barrett" ] Re: Re[4]: Killing Joke ["lucifersam" ] Re: Festival of Drifting [timrobinson@cwcom.net] duffelbag.com [timrobinson@cwcom.net] Re: Festival of Drifting [Mark Short ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:04:51 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: Dark Music (was Re: the Cure) giluz wrote: > > > They were a prog rock outfit. If memory serves, their albums were > > all linked by > > the extended concept of some imaginary world/mythology. Although > > they had quite > > a big line-up (eg two drummers), they were very much the product of their > > leader, Cristian Vander. > > > > A few years ago, the snooker player Steve Davis paid fof them to > > come over to > > the UK from France to do a gig. > > > > Er.. What about the dark stuff? I mean, are they worth a listen, or are they > just the typical pretentious (here I go again - love that word), overblown, > pseudo-technical prog rock band? > > giluz I've heard very little by Magma, and it was a long time ago. "Overblown" probably sums them up. But just because their overall concept is a bit naff that doesn't mean there isn't some good music in there as well. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:27:48 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: beautiful girls & boys just looking at gemm.com , somebody is selling a 12" single called "beautiful girl" by colin newman. anyone heard of this? different guy? (actually gemm is pretty good. but very slow. funny to see huge price differences for the same items from different sellers. literally hundreds of wire things on there) and as an aside , what did all you bowie fans think of his glasto performance then?........ p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:56:58 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Damage Manual For those of you who are interested, here's NME's take on the Damage Manual gig: Damage Manual London WC2 LA2 There's something to be said for ruthless, relentless industrial noise. Especially when served up by a bunch of hellraisers, now turned family men, bent on recapturing lost youth. Jah Wobble, Martin Atkins, Geordie and Chris Connelly are a nonchalant quartet who used to be central to Public Image Limited, Killing Joke and Ministry. Tonight, they form a supergroup for laughs, and American dollars, and proceed to trash the living daylights out of varied reputations. God, it's loud. Not in a wimpy sense, but with enough dissonance and dangerous frequencies to render the audience masochists of a sort. The crowd love every minute of being wound up. And, how can't it be a piss-take if the snarling, deranged figure of Chris Connelly is supposed to be taken seriously as a singer? Or if the electronically enhanced coda on 'Broadcast' hisses on for an eternity? On a positive note, this is one of the few occasions this venue has actually shaken, if not sustained structural damage. Like the mid-'70s reggae sound systems that originally inspired Wobble & co, the aim is to induce an earthquake. Shame, though, about the awful truncated cover of PiL's 'Poptones', and the way all the musical excursions of Damage Manual's lives have led them back to ground zero. That's how it goes. Dele Fadele The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:38:22 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: Festival of Drifting Thought I'd interrupt the Killing Joke thread to tell you all about Labradfords festival of drifting last night. Of interest to Wire fans as Mr Bruce Gilbert was on DJ duty between acts. I was expecting him to sound like a Lawnmower falling down the stairs but he was actually playing quite enjoyable sounds and was one of the few acts to test the acoustics of the venue a bit. Its nice to know you can be 54 and still challenging and (beyond) cutting edge. My Dads the same age as Bruce Gilbert and if he DJ'd we'd be listening to Cliff Richard and Van Morrison! Robin Guthrie of the Cocteau Twins did a brief solo spot playing unacompanied which was a nice suprise. Sigur Ros (Icelands 'next big thing) played and everyone around me was gasping with awe but personally I find them really sludgy and lethargic and bordering on 'Yes' territory! Spiritualized or Godspeed You Black Emporer do that kind slow/quiet-loud/fast thing much better. And I have a real problem with bands who bring their own carpet on tour with them, gawd 'elp us! Labradford played a very short set despite being 'headliners' and were quite good..if irritatingly static. They stretch that 'pretending not to enjoy ourselves' (see New Order pre 1990) thing to its absolute limit, in fact they looked positively gutted to be on onstage...but they make a good noise. Pole was last. I think he's good but over-rated and by now I'm getting bored of minimalism...(lets have some maximalism!) although live he injected a bit more energy into his thang, and did actually play his machines rather than just do a live mix. Anyway, twas a strange and interesting night. Always a difficult job watching bands in an Arts venue (Contact Theatre) as I don't think most bands stand up to the scrutiny of being watched by a silent, seated audience. Even though the music was mostly beatless and down tempo I'd rather be stood up with a beer and be able to mill around. (Wire struggled with the muted atmosphere of the RFH too). Anyway, go see the show if it comes to your town. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:55:19 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: Festival of Drifting Hmm. I was at the 1st and 2nd FoD and had tickets for the 3rd but unfortunaely was dragged off to Penzance at the last minute. These minialist nights can drag out but I would have loved to have seen LaBradford (again) and Pole. Was there a free CD again? Chris. timrobinson@cwcom.net on 29/06/2000 14:38:22 Please respond to timrobinson@cwcom.net To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Festival of Drifting Thought I'd interrupt the Killing Joke thread to tell you all about Labradfords festival of drifting last night. Of interest to Wire fans as Mr Bruce Gilbert was on DJ duty between acts. I was expecting him to sound like a Lawnmower falling down the stairs but he was actually playing quite enjoyable sounds and was one of the few acts to test the acoustics of the venue a bit. Its nice to know you can be 54 and still challenging and (beyond) cutting edge. My Dads the same age as Bruce Gilbert and if he DJ'd we'd be listening to Cliff Richard and Van Morrison! Robin Guthrie of the Cocteau Twins did a brief solo spot playing unacompanied which was a nice suprise. Sigur Ros (Icelands 'next big thing) played and everyone around me was gasping with awe but personally I find them really sludgy and lethargic and bordering on 'Yes' territory! Spiritualized or Godspeed You Black Emporer do that kind slow/quiet-loud/fast thing much better. And I have a real problem with bands who bring their own carpet on tour with them, gawd 'elp us! Labradford played a very short set despite being 'headliners' and were quite good..if irritatingly static. They stretch that 'pretending not to enjoy ourselves' (see New Order pre 1990) thing to its absolute limit, in fact they looked positively gutted to be on onstage...but they make a good noise. Pole was last. I think he's good but over-rated and by now I'm getting bored of minimalism...(lets have some maximalism!) although live he injected a bit more energy into his thang, and did actually play his machines rather than just do a live mix. Anyway, twas a strange and interesting night. Always a difficult job watching bands in an Arts venue (Contact Theatre) as I don't think most bands stand up to the scrutiny of being watched by a silent, seated audience. Even though the music was mostly beatless and down tempo I'd rather be stood up with a beer and be able to mill around. (Wire struggled with the muted atmosphere of the RFH too). Anyway, go see the show if it comes to your town. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:17:43 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Killing Joke Paul, << i think that first album plus the debut single is the really essential stuff. the rest of the youth records are worth having but in a lot of ways i think they were a band who defined themselves totally on the first album and spent the rest of their career making subtle changes too it ( oooh , there's a few that applies too , isn't there.....)p >> I initially liked KJ but very quickly became bored with them. They really exhausted all he possibilities by the end of the first album. Good live band - - saw them a couple of times in 1980-81, but never bought anything after the first album and I think I sold it a bit later. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:36:24 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[6]: Killing Joke >> I initially liked KJ but very quickly became bored with them. They really exhausted all he possibilities by the end of the first album. Good live band - saw them a couple of times in 1980-81, but never bought anything after the first album and I think I sold it a bit later. Mark >>> i think that's about the size of it. it always makes me laugh when a band is billed as making a "return to form" when in fact they're just going back to cynically sounding exactly like they used to. the list of bans who'd said it all on one album is huge really. but i certainly wouldn't sell my first kj album , still has a place in my heart. must admit i'd be vaguely curious to hear damage manual ; i do like wobble although most things martin atkins has been involved with have left me cold.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:35:07 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Sonar 2000 Hi, Any inf. on the Sonar 2000 festival in Barcelona. Are there any reviews on the net? How was Colin's Swim~ Dj set? http://www.sonar.es/indexb.htm is a good site but lacking reviews. Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:17:13 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: CN/4AD I think the quote from CN in the interview is along the lines of "they could no longer afford to sponsor the arts in the form of Colin Newman records" I don't think there was any acrimony. - ----- Original Message ----- From: giluz > > > > Was Colin dropped by 4AD? Why was that? > giluz > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:17:26 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Re[2]: CN/4AD - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Wire link - the mag had a decent interview with Colin Newman just > after 4AD > > had dropped him - Ian > > > Was Colin dropped by 4AD? Why was that? giluz > >>>>> and that interview might make interesting reading (hint).... p > On a post a couple of months ago I mentioned the interview and offered (if I could find a spare copy - it WAS 17 years ago) to post it to the list if anybody was interested. I was met with a disspiriting silence. But that's all the encouragement I need Paul. I'll go a-hunting. However, don't hold y'breath - Ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:55:51 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Re[4]: Killing Joke I thought "Follow the leader" was ace, and the B side- "Tension" was even better! LuciferSam ( Just back from Bar Italia- God is it rockin down there!) > I initially liked KJ but very quickly became bored with them. They really > exhausted all he possibilities by the end of the first album. Good live band > - saw them a couple of times in 1980-81, but never bought anything after the > first album and I think I sold it a bit later. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:32:07 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: Re: Festival of Drifting No there was no free CD. Unless I missed something? Graeme?! On 29 Jun 00, at 14:55, Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk wrote: > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:37:32 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: duffelbag.com They've got an album on here called Live Drill? Whats that? I thought they might mean the Drill LP but thats listed separately. Theres no detail on it. Anyone know? Also, what does 'cut out' mean? Does it just mean discount price? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:24:22 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: Festival of Drifting timrobinson@cwcom.net wrote: > > Robin Guthrie of the Cocteau Twins did a brief solo spot playing unacompanied > which was a nice suprise. Sigur Ros (Icelands 'next big thing) played and everyone > around me was gasping with awe but personally I find them really sludgy and > lethargic and bordering on 'Yes' territory! Spiritualized or Godspeed You Black > Emporer do that kind slow/quiet-loud/fast thing much better. And I have a real > problem with bands who bring their own carpet on tour with them, gawd 'elp us! > Is there nothing new under the sun? During ELP's heyday, Greg Lake had his own rug when on stage. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #202 *******************************