From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #199 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 199 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: great live performances [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: the Cure + wire + joy division + and also the trees [MarkBursa@aol.co] Is this the Wire list? [timrobinson@cwcom.net] RE: Worst live performances - LPD ["giluz" ] Neu! ["giluz" ] RE: Neu! ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: Is this the Wire list? ["JH3" ] Re: Neu! ["stephen graziano" ] Fwd: clepe: M-W's Word of the Day [Andrew N Westmeyer ] RE: the Cure [fernando ] Re: Neu! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: clepe: M-W's Word of the Day [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: the Cure [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Secret Affair (was target on my back) ["ian barrett" ] RE: Closet Mod alert!!!! ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: Secret Affair (was target on my back) ["lucifersam" ] Re: Closet Mod alert!!!!-We are the Mods..etc... ["lucifersam" ] RE: Neu!/System 7 ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Whoops! RE: Neu!/System 7 ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: Is this the Wire list?/Batcave [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Worst live performances - LPD [Rob Warnock ] RE: Worst live performances - LPD ["giluz" ] RE: Mobile Phone Virus [Alistair Tear ] re: Mobile Phone Virus [Alistair Tear ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:09:13 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: great live performances The Chameleons reunited for a few gigs earlier this month. They were pretty awesome. I hear that they may play a few dates in the States later this year. Chris. "Katherine Pouliot" on 23/06/2000 17:44:13 To: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS, idealcopy@smoe.org cc: Subject: Re: great live performances Good picks. I'd be interesting in seeing The Chameleons, definitely. Was that a reunion show or something? Nick Cave came to Boston not too long ago - My uncle saw them and said they put on a phenomenal show. K - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: RE: great live performances > > > > My top 3 would probably be (in no particular order). > > Psychic TV @ RFH 1999 (boy did they rock) > > The Chameleons @ Shepherds Bush Empire 2000 > > Depeche Mode @ Crystal Palace 1993 > > oh, and maybe Nick Cave @ Brixton Academy 1996 > > Chris. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:46:22 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: the Cure + wire + joy division + and also the trees Fernando, << actually, I think that it was the other way around... JD opened for the Cure... or so was the implications of a poster sale a few years back... at least this one instance. May be it happened again the other way around...>> JD would have supported the Cure, not the other way around. Both bands supported Wire on consecutive nights during a three-nighter somewhere in London as well. Can't remember the third support... >> On the subject of Ahead and Temptation... wasn't Wire sensitive to this kind of comparison... and isn't in Everybody Loves a History that Graham implies that Hook stole way more riffs from him? >> They are similar players in that the bass is the 'melody' instrument in both bands. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:53:47 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: Is this the Wire list? I think there is something wrong with my ISP. I have seem to have unwittingly subscribed to a bloody Goth list. I wondered what that smell was, its a combination caked on hairspray, stale leather jackets and a faded Gene Loves Gezebel t-shirt with the sleeves ripped off that hasn't seen a packet of Persil since 1985. Funny I thought this was a Wire list! I always associated Wire with that kind of studied European cool demonstrated by Scott Walker, Kraftwerk and that bloke from Sparks...not bleedin Wayne Hussey! Come on you old codgers its the 21st Century now! Lets get out of the sodding Batcave and start discussing more relevant issues like...Paul Young, ELO and Modern Romance! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:02:11 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Worst live performances - LPD > >>>Legendary Pink Dots - what a bunch of wankers! > > Hi Giluz, > > Why do you say that? I've only heard a couple of tracks by LPD and really > liked them. They seem to be constantly on tour. > > Chris. > Actually, I used to be a fan. I had (and still have) all their albums till 1990 or something. Now I look at it as just one of those bands that I liked when I was in my teens, whose magic wore off a few years later. I liked the Syd Barrett-like voice and melodies and the dark ironic lyrics. I wasn't much into them when I saw them live, but I didn't dislike them or anything. That was one of the most pretentious gigs I've ever been to. This Kaspel guy (the singer) thinks so much of himself and his music - god, he was so full of it. I was there with a friend, and at the middle of it we just looked at each other and said together: "God, what a wanker". LPD sound to me now just like Pink Floyd - over-simplistic (under the pretence of sophistication) in musical and lyrical terms, pretentious and boring. Maybe I'll rediscover them in a few years time, as I get older and sentimental. I'll let you know as soon as that happens. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:22:32 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: Neu! I'm trying to get a CD by Neu, the 70's krautrock band, but can't find any place on the net where they have it. Does anyone know of an internet CD shop where you can find rare imports? Can anyone recommend a particular Neu CD? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:36:14 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Neu! For Neu!, I'd start with their first album, 'Neu!'. The first track, 'Hallogallo' is an unknown krautrock classic. If there are any other 'Hallogallo' fans out there, check out a track called 'Interstate' by 'System 7'. It's an homage to Neu, that rather effectively includes whole sections of the original song into the composition. Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** - -----Original Message----- From: giluz [mailto:giluz@nettalk.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 11:23 AM To: IdealCopy Subject: Neu! I'm trying to get a CD by Neu, the 70's krautrock band, but can't find any place on the net where they have it. Does anyone know of an internet CD shop where you can find rare imports? Can anyone recommend a particular Neu CD? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:54:43 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Is this the Wire list? >Funny I thought this was a Wire list! I always associated Wire with >that kind of studied European cool demonstrated by Scott Walker, >Kraftwerk and that bloke from Sparks...not bleedin Wayne Hussey! >Come on you old codgers its the 21st Century now! Lets get out of >the sodding Batcave and start discussing more relevant issues like... >Paul Young, ELO and Modern Romance! Y'know, it's funny - I originally subscribed to this list because I was looking for some good deals on after-market electrical cables, connectors, and wiring harnesses for old US and French military aircraft. I figured, hey, "Ideal Copy" - that must mean that these people know where to get near-exact specs of the original wiring for these old fighter jets and bombers (I don't actually work for anyone's Air Force, btw; I just happen to have a bunch of old warplanes sitting in my backyard for some reason.) So *what a surprise* it was when people started discussing the work of some obscure English rock band! Weird, I thought, but just for yuks, I decided to buy one of their albums, and I was instantly hooked! Since then I've bought everything I can get my hands on, including all the solo stuff, and I'm even thinking of getting a copy of "Dugga" someday. Unfortunately, I *still* don't know what I'm going to do with all these surplus planes and their missing cables. Maybe I could tow them to this "Batcave" place and leave them there? John "admittedly, not quite with it these days" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:12:45 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: Neu! jhubertz@netdirect.net has a great mailorder for psych/prog/kraut stuff of the 60s 70s 80s 90s I highly recommend him. - Steve G >From: "giluz" >To: "IdealCopy" >Subject: Neu! >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:22:32 +0200 > >I'm trying to get a CD by Neu, the 70's krautrock band, but can't find any >place on the net where they have it. Does anyone know of an internet CD >shop >where you can find rare imports? Can anyone recommend a particular Neu CD? > >giluz > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:32:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Fwd: clepe: M-W's Word of the Day This is the Merriam-Webster word of the day. 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(c) 2000 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:42:37 -0700 From: fernando Subject: RE: the Cure Well, a list of bands that are very big in France, sometimes bigger (percentage of the population wise), include: Joy Division, Christian Death, Tindersticks, House of Love (though not too dark of a sound), the Cure, the Chameleons, Radiohead, etc. I do not have any hard numbers, just talking to store owners in Paris and Bordeaux... and chatting with friends that live there. cheers! - -fernando At 01:05 AM 6/27/00, giluz wrote: > > > > Wasnt the Cure one of many bands that have become exceedingly popular in > > France, then to be welcomed with open arms by England? Did it not > > happen to > > them when Head on The Door came out? > > > > What I mean here is that in terms of local popularity, the Cure achieved > > greater success in France than in England.... it seems that most "dark" > > music is found by the French first... > > > > -fernando > >I never thought of the French as advocates of "dark music" before (except >perhaps Gong in the 70's?). It's very intriguing, if true. Does anyone have >any other examples for this? > >giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:53:39 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Neu! Ray, << For Neu!, I'd start with their first album, 'Neu!'. The first track, 'Hallogallo' is an unknown krautrock classic. If there are any other 'Hallogallo' fans out there, check out a track called 'Interstate' by 'System 7'. It's an homage to Neu, that rather effectively includes whole sections of the original song into the composition. >> Oh, Hallogallo says it all about Krautrock. The ultimate one-chord groove. I'll check out System 7 though it's hard to see how they could improve on the original :-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:56:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: clepe: M-W's Word of the Day Andrew, I thought it was yclept Lady Ghislaine when Capt Bob fell off the back. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:59:11 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: the Cure Fernando, >>do not have any hard numbers, just talking to store owners in Paris and Bordeaux... and chatting with friends that live there.<< Last time I went to a French record shop I saw an album by a band called....wait for it....Aston Villa. Couldn't resist. French Grunge, disappointingly, though it could have been worse. I guess it was a French riposte to our St Etienne. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:28:25 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Secret Affair (was target on my back) I remember a cutting from one of the lighter music mags around the time; A picture of Ian P and his Secret Affair mates, with the following unintentionally discerning caption beneath it; "Shhhh...its...!" Ian ("Chrome" emblazoned on his school rucksack; many a compulsory 'debate' about music) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 2:27 PM Subject: target on my back >to this day the way to get a great laugh is to mention secret affair and co. , basically all the complete wankers in my town who'd been into punk for the clothes/hairstyles/"rebellion" aspects instantly became mods. of course they then had to follow mr page's "we hate the punk elite" direction and deny their very recent past whilst looking for some punks to beat up. the same guys were all big bowie/new romantic fans about a year later. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:51:07 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Is this the Wire list?/Batcave It's funny really, I still have 2 membership cards for the 'Batcave'. One when it was at Gossips in Dean St and the other @ the subway in Liecester Square. It wasn't really a 'Goth' club at all when it opened. More a sort of art/glam/punk/psych' type of place. People like Jock MacDonald, a couple of the Lydons and the old Studio 21 lot hung out there. Loads of Bowie, Lou, Velvets etc...As with all these things, the kids from 'top shop' turned up and killed it stone dead. I dunno,whatever happened to good old fashined elitism in weirdo clubs!?? ErnoldSame.... (Had a strange hobby) Maybe I could tow them to this "Batcave" place and leave them there? > > John "admittedly, not quite with it these days" Hedges > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:23:51 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: Closet Mod alert!!!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: 25 June 2000 16:04 To: lucifersam@supanet.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Closet Mod alert!!!! Cat, << I always loved Thw Wonder Stuff live and the same goes for The Chords. >> Never saw the Chords live - but they were by far the best of the post-Jam Mod revivalists. Their one and only album (So Far Away) is one of the most brilliant powerpop albums ever made.... Living in Blackpool we were overrun by mods most weekends in 79-80, and most of the mod bands played at the Norbreck castle nite spot - pretty much every weekend there was a mod band on. So of course I went along (nothing better to do). Even exhumed one of my Dad's old suits so I blended in better (the spiky hair was a bit of a giveaway though). Most of the bands were ex-punks, of course, and some were very good. I remember seeing the Purple hearts supported by the Nips (Shane McGowan's punk band) one night in late 79, which was a top gig. Also the Selecter, supported by the Beat, who were fabulous live. Aah yes I remember it well. The Beat were superb on this tour. Saw them on a later headlining tour in'82 supported by Roland Gift's forerunner of a band to Fine Young cannibals. AndyL mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:15:13 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Neu!/System 7 Thats it!!! Damn it......Someone had to mention System 7.... They kick arse!!!!! Steve Hillage....still wearing that fucking stoopid tea cosy on his head!But if you wanna here some brilliant acid trance get "Golden Section" by System 7.... Le Cat Siamese (Be reasonable-Demand the impossible) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Neu! > Ray, > > << For Neu!, I'd start with their first album, 'Neu!'. > > The first track, 'Hallogallo' is an unknown krautrock classic. > > If there are any other 'Hallogallo' fans out there, check out a track called > 'Interstate' by 'System 7'. It's an homage to Neu, that rather effectively > includes whole sections of the original song into the composition. > >> > > Oh, Hallogallo says it all about Krautrock. The ultimate one-chord groove. > I'll check out System 7 though it's hard to see how they could improve on the > original :-) > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:18:10 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Secret Affair (was target on my back) He was indeed a knob! - ----- Original Message ----- From: ian barrett To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Secret Affair (was target on my back) > I remember a cutting from one of the lighter music mags around the time; A > picture of Ian P and his Secret Affair mates, with the following > unintentionally discerning caption beneath it; > "Shhhh...its...!" > > Ian ("Chrome" emblazoned on his school rucksack; many a compulsory 'debate' > about music) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 2:27 PM > Subject: target on my back > > >to this day the way to get a great laugh is to mention secret affair and > co. , basically all the complete wankers in my town who'd been into punk for > the clothes/hairstyles/"rebellion" aspects instantly became mods. of course > they then had to follow mr page's "we hate the punk elite" direction and > deny their very recent past whilst looking for some punks to beat up. the > same guys were all big bowie/new romantic fans about a year later. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:30:25 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: target on my back > afraid i found it all pretty laughable , i struggle to think of a decent record by a mod revival band. the jam did it all so much better. the chords were probably the best of a dismal bunch , but with competition like secret affair and squire that isn't saying much. still , i guessed it flushed out a lot of crap punk bands out of harms way. p I think it's a little unfair to call them'revival' bands. Some of the music was very good. Back to Zero were very good, The Chords were great, The Purple Hearts, Secret Affair. Of course, people calling themselves "Kenny Vespa" didn't help. But then again, it was the same with punk band wagoners like "Billy Vomit" or whatever some of those twats wanted to call themselves. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:27:07 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Closet Mod alert!!!!-We are the Mods..etc... > Did you wear your fishtail parka and pork pie hat? No but I did have a nice little John Rocha White cordroy jacket! Who else was on the bill? Secret Affair, The Hearts, The 'Mighty' Chords,Um.... to be honest we got into the pub at 12pm, got into the venue at about 8pm and after my 5th large vodka and redbull, it all went a little blank.All this on an empty stomach.And £80 on booze....I am a wanker, no doubt. And was any of it any good? Well lets just say it was a laugh for a load of old, fat , bald blokes to talk about 'the old days'. Actually, there were one or two quite emotional reunions as far as I remember.But as I wasn't actually part of that scene as such, I only knew a couple of the 'faces' there. I very nearly went to the punk revival weekender > in Blackpool about three years ago....everybody who was nobody as laying - > 999, Slaughter & the Dogs, the Drones etc.... however I decided against. Some > memories should be left alone... > < Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:38:42 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Fw: Mobile Phone Virus This is Pukka, I had it last week... > make sure you take note ! > Please be aware. > > Phone virus > > > If you receive a phone call and your phone displays !!?UNAVAILABLE!? > on the screen (for most of digital mobile phones with a function to > display in-coming call telephone number), > > DON'T ANSWER THE CALL. END THE CALL IMMEDIATELY!! !!?UNAVAILABLE!? > IF YOU ANSWER THE CALL, YOUR PHONE WILL BE INFECTED BY THIS VIRUS. > This virus will erase all IMIE and IMSI information from both your > Phone And your SIM card which will make your phone unable to connect with > The telephone network. You will have to buy a new phone. > > This information has been confirmed by both Motorola and Nokia. > There are over 3 million mobile phone being infected by this virus in USA > now. > > > Please forward this information to all your friends who have > Digital Mobile phones. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:42:25 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Neu!/System 7 I don't know if I'd use the term 'kick ass' (as we in the states would say it) to describe System 7, or '777' as they were referred to as during their run-in with Apple Computer. But I'd call them consistently excellent armchair electronica! Several System 7 CD's are some of the very few CD's that my wife and I can agree on having in the CD-Jukebox. Perfect background music for reading, talking, or anything else. I consider them the musical equipment of having a baseball game on the TV. Enjoyable just to hear in the background, and you can easily shift your attention to it during the good bits. Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: lucifersam [mailto:lucifersam@supanet.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 1:15 PM To: MarkBursa@aol.com; RCiscon@comark.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Neu!/System 7 Thats it!!! Damn it......Someone had to mention System 7.... They kick arse!!!!! Steve Hillage....still wearing that fucking stoopid tea cosy on his head!But if you wanna here some brilliant acid trance get "Golden Section" by System 7.... Le Cat Siamese (Be reasonable-Demand the impossible) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Neu! > Ray, > > << For Neu!, I'd start with their first album, 'Neu!'. > > The first track, 'Hallogallo' is an unknown krautrock classic. > > If there are any other 'Hallogallo' fans out there, check out a track called > 'Interstate' by 'System 7'. It's an homage to Neu, that rather effectively > includes whole sections of the original song into the composition. > >> > > Oh, Hallogallo says it all about Krautrock. The ultimate one-chord groove. > I'll check out System 7 though it's hard to see how they could improve on the > original :-) > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:32:55 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: Whoops! RE: Neu!/System 7 equipment should be equivilent! Ray (I'm having a bad grammar day) Ciscon Perfect background music for reading, talking, or anything else. I consider them the musical equipment of having a baseball game on the TV. Enjoyable just to hear in the background, and you can easily shift your attention to it during the good bits. Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: lucifersam [mailto:lucifersam@supanet.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 1:15 PM To: MarkBursa@aol.com; RCiscon@comark.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Neu!/System 7 Thats it!!! Damn it......Someone had to mention System 7.... They kick arse!!!!! Steve Hillage....still wearing that fucking stoopid tea cosy on his head!But if you wanna here some brilliant acid trance get "Golden Section" by System 7.... Le Cat Siamese (Be reasonable-Demand the impossible) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Neu! > Ray, > > << For Neu!, I'd start with their first album, 'Neu!'. > > The first track, 'Hallogallo' is an unknown krautrock classic. > > If there are any other 'Hallogallo' fans out there, check out a track called > 'Interstate' by 'System 7'. It's an homage to Neu, that rather effectively > includes whole sections of the original song into the composition. > >> > > Oh, Hallogallo says it all about Krautrock. The ultimate one-chord groove. > I'll check out System 7 though it's hard to see how they could improve on the > original :-) > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:52:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Is this the Wire list?/Batcave Cat, << It's funny really, I still have 2 membership cards for the 'Batcave'. >> Somewhere I still have a 1983 membership card for the Hacienda, from when they had bands on and before it relocated to Beirut. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:44:26 -0500 From: Rob Warnock Subject: Re: Worst live performances - LPD I just saw the Pink Dots last week for the fifth time. As usual, they put on a great show, and were as gracious as ever. If I came up with a list of a thousand adjectives to describe them, pretentious wouldn't be anywhere on the list. They do tour very frequently because they're extremely prolific, and have put out at least one album per year for the last 20 years. If the fact that they take their music seriously means they're pretentious, I wish there were a whole lot more pretentious bands. - -Rob- > > > >>>Legendary Pink Dots - what a bunch of wankers! > > > > Hi Giluz, > > > > Why do you say that? I've only heard a couple of tracks by LPD and really > > liked them. They seem to be constantly on tour. > > > > Chris. > > > > Actually, I used to be a fan. I had (and still have) all their albums till > 1990 or something. Now I look at it as just one of those bands that I liked > when I was in my teens, whose magic wore off a few years later. I liked the > Syd Barrett-like voice and melodies and the dark ironic lyrics. I wasn't > much into them when I saw them live, but I didn't dislike them or anything. > That was one of the most pretentious gigs I've ever been to. This Kaspel guy > (the singer) thinks so much of himself and his music - god, he was so full > of it. I was there with a friend, and at the middle of it we just looked at > each other and said together: "God, what a wanker". LPD sound to me now just > like Pink Floyd - over-simplistic (under the pretence of sophistication) in > musical and lyrical terms, pretentious and boring. Maybe I'll rediscover > them in a few years time, as I get older and sentimental. I'll let you know > as soon as that happens. > > giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:03:16 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Worst live performances - LPD > > I just saw the Pink Dots last week for the fifth time. As usual, they > put on a great show, and were as gracious as ever. If I came up with a > list of a thousand adjectives to describe them, pretentious wouldn't be > anywhere on the list. They do tour very frequently because they're > extremely prolific, and have put out at least one album per year for the > last 20 years. If the fact that they take their music seriously means > they're pretentious, I wish there were a whole lot more pretentious > bands. > > -Rob- > Taking yourself seriously does not necessarily lead to pretentiousness. This happens when you take yourself too seriously. I have to admit that I could be wrong here: The gig was almost 10 years ago, I was young and foolish (now I'm just less young, not less foolish, maybe even more). Maybe it was just a bad night. And rummaging through the dark alleys of my memory, I found out that Laugh China Doll by Edward Kaspel must still contain masterpieces (although a bit pretentious). And, of course, as Dan always remarks - differenst strokes and all that. Talking about pretentiousness, I'd like to quote film director Billy Wlder: "The one thing I hate more than not being taken seriously is being taken too seriously." giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:04:29 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: Mobile Phone Virus Sounds like a great idea. Peace on the bus at last! A > -----Original Message----- > From: lucifersam [SMTP:lucifersam@supanet.com] > Sent: 27 June 2000 17:39 > To: LaughingMadcaps@egroups.com; IdealCopy > Subject: Fw: Mobile Phone Virus > > This is Pukka, I had it last week... > > > > make sure you take note ! > > Please be aware. > > > > Phone virus > > > > > > If you receive a phone call and your phone displays !!?UNAVAILABLE!? > > on the screen (for most of digital mobile phones with a function to > > display in-coming call telephone number), > > > > DON'T ANSWER THE CALL. END THE CALL IMMEDIATELY!! !!?UNAVAILABLE!? > > IF YOU ANSWER THE CALL, YOUR PHONE WILL BE INFECTED BY THIS VIRUS. > > This virus will erase all IMIE and IMSI information from both your > > Phone And your SIM card which will make your phone unable to connect > with > > The telephone network. You will have to buy a new phone. > > > > This information has been confirmed by both Motorola and Nokia. > > There are over 3 million mobile phone being infected by this virus in > USA > > now. > > > > > > Please forward this information to all your friends who have > > Digital Mobile phones. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:08:15 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: re: Mobile Phone Virus make sure you take note ! > Please be aware. > > Phone virus There IS a god. Peace on the bus at last. A ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #199 *******************************