From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #196 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, June 25 2000 Volume 03 : Number 196 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Wire/Newman "The Sweet Songs" ["Robert Pearson" ] re: the Cure ["Robert Pearson" ] RE: Wire/Newman "The Sweet Songs" ["giluz" ] Re: Deaf School ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: great live albums [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: great live albums [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: great live performances [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: great live performances ["lucifersam" ] Re: great live albums ["lucifersam" ] Crappiest live performances.. ["lucifersam" ] Re: great live performances ["lucifersam" ] Re: great live performances ["lucifersam" ] RE: great live performances ["Laurel G" ] Re: Great gigs--long post, get ready! ["Laurel G" ] Closet Mod alert!!!!-We are the Mods..etc... ["lucifersam" ] Re: the Cure ["lucifersam" ] Viewing Tip ["ian barrett" ] Re: Closet Mod alert!!!! ["stephen graziano" ] Re: Closet Mod alert!!!!Part 2 [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: great live performances ["giluz" ] Re: Great gigs--long post, get ready! [Katherine Pouliot Subject: Wire/Newman "The Sweet Songs" I think Wire, or probably just Colin, should do a CD compilation of the really "Sweet" (I know, that word is dangerous!) songs that he's done so far in his career. He has some of the "grooviest" songs, but they're only a handful scattered across 10 or more albums. But songs like Safe, Trucculent Yet, Order for Order, Outdoor Minor, The 15th, The King of Um and the Queen of Ur, and so many others are just so incredible, I'm sure it would blow away some unsuspecting people. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? Can you name another artist works in this same vein? I can only think of some of Marc Bolan's stuff, again, across a wide range of other kinds of music. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:40:36 PDT From: "Robert Pearson" Subject: re: the Cure regarding the old Cure: I was lucky to have the 17 Seconds/Faith two lp set right when it came out, about 1981 (what was it called again?). This was such exceptional music back then, I really thought I stumbled onto something! I couldn't really get into their music past those two albums, but they were like having Wordsworth or something back then. =) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:47:18 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Wire/Newman "The Sweet Songs" One of the great things about Colin - a great pop singer/songwriter, though he probably'll never admit to it. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Robert Pearson > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 11:20 AM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Wire/Newman "The Sweet Songs" > > > I think Wire, or probably just Colin, should do a CD compilation > of the really "Sweet" (I know, that word is dangerous!) songs that > he's done so far in his career. He has some of the "grooviest" songs, > but they're only a handful scattered across 10 or more albums. > But songs like Safe, Trucculent Yet, Order for Order, Outdoor Minor, > The 15th, The King of Um and the Queen of Ur, and so many others > are just so incredible, I'm sure it would blow away some unsuspecting > people. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? Can you name > another artist works in this same vein? I can only think of some > of Marc Bolan's stuff, again, across a wide range of other kinds of music. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:06:45 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: Deaf School So nice to see someone (actually a couple) chime in re: Deaf School. Waaay overlooked (atleast stateside) band. I spent the last several years tracking down Steve Lindsay's next band, the Planets LPs. I had the US release of Goon Hilly Down which was epinimously renamed. It was one of the 2 white gock releases on Motown - and tubed miserably. Also managed to find Bette Bright's solo. Fan-only interest here. And the Original Mirrors' 2 elpees were compiled for a CD release a couple years back. Kind interesting to see how pervasive the discobeat was then..... People always ask - "DMC what does it mean?" D is never Dirty - MC is Mostly Clean - -Darryl McDaniels sig is response to someone on the list's report that Korn thinks they were "the first to mix rap and metal' they may well not have been walking when this occurred (sort of like (sorry for bringing him up again) peter frampton's fans saying he was the first to make the guitar 'talk' (a dubious achievement in the light of history) i would play alvino rey recordings froom the 50's for them) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:22:55 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: great live albums Jeff << Yep - that one could go on forever for me. I think some of the between-song chatter is brilliant too - there's this bit where Lou's going on about it being a school night, and aren't you kids up too late? etc. >> Yes, I love it when Lou asks the crowd if they're sitting comfortably, and would they prefer one long set or two short sets. How considerate. Not like the miserable old curmudgeon he became later, where bouncers were employed to throw people out who talked during songs.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:24:53 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? Dan, << >That is not too sad, I can make it relate back to music. Hayley Mills' son >Crispin is in Kula Shaker. Anyone know what happened to KS? Haven't heard >anything from them since last year. Broke up awhile back after a 2nd-album sales slump, didn't they? I could be totally wrong .... >> Yep, thankfully did the decent thing. Terrible band. The bass player is now in Johnny Marr's new group, the Healers. (Johnny sings!!) No doubt there will be a Crispin solo album to look forward to:-( Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:28:20 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: great live albums giluz, >>Is this the album recorded at Max's?<< No, that's a later album, (called Live at Max's Kansas City) and is a poor quality recording of a very late Velvets gig. the Live 69 album is a double, very good quality, and released in the mid-70s. the recordings are from a number of different gigs.You can get it on CD but the only copies I've ever seen are as two separate CDs. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:35:38 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: great live performances Giluz, << My Bloody Valentine, London T&C 1992 - Two things I liked best in this gig: For anyone who doesn't remember that was the shoegazing period in London, and MBV were considered as the mother and father of all shoegazers, so all those bands went to that gig to see if they could keep up to their reputations. I was a few rows behind the members of Curve, and the better MBV got throughout that show the more pissed off and horrified they were. It was great to watch them. Second thing I liked (particularly liked - I liked everything in that gig) was the white noise fader MBV put in, just when you thought it can't get any noisier.<< I saw MBV at the same place, but a few years before, at a big Creation-fest (Felt and the Weather Prophets also played, along with others. Biff Bang Pow as well ;-) Have to say I was disappointed - had nothing like the intensity of the albums. I saw Curve when they reformed a couple of years ago and they were surprisingly good, if a bit samey. >>The Fall, Brighton, 1991<< With Martin Bramah? I was at that gig and it was indeed a good one. >>Pixies, Hammersmith Odeon, 1991<< Saw them at the T&C probably about 88-89. Very disappointing. All drums and shouting. The only good bits were when Kim Deal sang. Mark The Fall, Brighton, 1991 The Fall, Brixton, 1990 - not uch to say about those two - could have been the 80's or 70's if I just had the luck to be there - when they're good they're the best. Wire, RFH, 2000 Chemical Brothers, Lowlands Festival, Netherlands, 1999 - The perfect combination of dancing and intelligence. Pixies, Hammersmith Odeon, 1991 >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:20:50 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: great live performances She is all "I feel more comfortable that way..." yeah, right it has nothing to do with having umpteen thousand dudes watching your tits bounce. < ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:34:42 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: great live albums I'd like to put forward "Salde Alive"....It kicks arse big time. "Born to be Wild" is so fucking mean that it blows ya speakers open, sorta like MC5 on Acid, after a Hawkwind party!!!! Le Cat Siamese.. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Pouliot To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: great live albums > > From: "Carl Archer" > > To: ; > > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:18 PM > > Subject: Re: great live albums > > > > > > > The new release of "Stop Making Sense" is much better and has more > songs. > > > The version that was issued in '84 is remixed heavily and kills the > > energy. > > > Oh yes, please don't forget to buy the DVD! > > > > > > Does Laurie Anderson's "Home of the Brave" count as a live album? > > > > > > -Carl > > My husband has a few Laurie Anderson albums. I give her kudos for her use > of technology and all that, sure, but I wouldn't buy her albums. I was > never a fan. That was, until we saw her live a few years ago. Records, > live or otherwise, don't do her justice! She is on my top 10 list of best > live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but there is so much to choose from!). > > K ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:02:50 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Crappiest live performances.. The Clash (Cut the Crap version) @ Brixton. Buzzcocks ' Marquee(supported by Adam and the Ants) we sat around playing cards.The Cure @ Marquee,The Pretenders @ Marquee (in front of about 20 people), we laft after 3 songs.Pink Floyd @ Wembley 1974.Gil Scott Heron @ the Island Ilford, 1997(Having turned up so late that a bunch of kids from Brixton had to leave before he came on to get home, and had to haggle to get there money back)....too much crap to list... LuciferSam.... (Seen it all before) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Katherine Pouliot Cc: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 5:15 PM Subject: Re: great live performances > > > > >>p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few > of > >>those! > > Yeah! I saw Papa M at the Garage (May, I think) and they sucked. The > majority of the crowd loved it but it turned my stomach so much I had to > walk out (and I've never done that before!) > > Chris. > ps "Hello Alison" > > > > > > "Katherine Pouliot" on 23/06/2000 17:00:48 > > To: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com, idealcopy@smoe.org > cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) > > Subject: great live performances > > > > > DOH! you had to ask haha > > Well, from my personal concert history, I remember these live performances > off the top of my head to have been the best. I'm putting Wire in the mix > (this is a Wire list, after all), even though their set was too short--they > were still great. Plus, U2, PIL, Cocteau Twins, The Cars... not in that > particular order. Yes, they are all (w/exception of Wire) from years past. > And I'm sure I'll get a scolding about how "mainstream" they all are. I'm > bracing myself! > > I am intending to broaden the spectrum within the next few years...I > promise! > Katherine > > p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few of > those! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM > Subject: Re[2]: great live albums > > > She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but > there is so much to choose from!). > > K > >>>>> so who are the others :-) p > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:41:48 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: great live performances Jeeze, this is a hard one for an old bloke! So much to trawl through in this wisened and grainy memory.... Um,...The Clash @The Music Machine Xmas 1978 was brilliant, Gil Scott Heron @Ronnie Scotts in about 1984 was a blinder.I always loved Thw Wonder Stuff live and the same goes for The Chords.Generation X were great live. I always thought the Buzzcocks were pants live.The Prodigy @ Island Ilford -1994(Fucking mad night),Daft Punk@the Astoria.Madness supporting the Specials @ the Nashville.... Um...Bowie on the Thin White Duke tour @Wembley in'76.Roxy Music @ The Rainbow in'74, Iggy @ Essex Univesity (Glen Matlock on bass) in 1978/79(cant remember exactly, except that i got very friendly with a lovely little punkette that night!).Primal Scream are great live, Everybody should make a point of hearing "Exterminator", it's the bollocks.The Chemical Brothers always put on a great show 'live' (Then again, I'm normally moshed for most of the night)......;-)The Ramones @the Lyceum, about 21 years ago....eekkkk PS...The Jam @ Woking YMCA-1980. LuciferSam (Too many memories) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Pouliot To: ; Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 5:00 PM Subject: great live performances > DOH! you had to ask haha > > Well, from my personal concert history, I remember these live performances > off the top of my head to have been the best. I'm putting Wire in the mix > (this is a Wire list, after all), even though their set was too short--they > were still great. Plus, U2, PIL, Cocteau Twins, The Cars... not in that > particular order. Yes, they are all (w/exception of Wire) from years past. > And I'm sure I'll get a scolding about how "mainstream" they all are. I'm > bracing myself! > > I am intending to broaden the spectrum within the next few years...I > promise! > Katherine > > p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few of > those! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM > Subject: Re[2]: great live albums > > > She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but > there is so much to choose from!). > > K > >>>>> so who are the others :-) p > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:08:10 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: great live performances Good to see another old bloke here Steve! : RE: great live performances > The great ones in no particular order > > The Jam (The Modern World) - 1st gig I went to > The Buzzcocks (Another Music) > The Clash (Give 'em Enough Rope) > Magazine (Secondhand Daylight) > Adam & The Ants (before they'd released anything) > Cabaret Voltaire (The Voice of America) > PIL (last UK Tour) > David Bowie (Modern Love) > Roger Waters (Radio Chaos) > The Ruts (The Nashville several times) > Siouxsie (Albert Hall for Nocturne) > The Stranglers (The Old Trout, Windsor - 1st warm up gig with new singer) > The Creatures (several gigs last year) > Radiohead - in 2 weeks time - I'm guessing here 8~)) > > And the crap... > > A band that supported The Cure at Wembley. Can't remember their name, they > had a girl singer in a leather Jacket who kept flashing her chest. Vile. > > Saxon - they supported Motorhead, who some friends dragged me along to see. > Motorhead were hilarious. > > And the worst > > David Bowie - The Glass Spider Tour with all those poncy dancers - I felt > embarrassed for him. > > Steve > > A woman navigator is a woman lost > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Katherine Pouliot > Sent: 23 June 2000 17:01 > To: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: great live performances > > DOH! you had to ask haha > > Well, from my personal concert history, I remember these live performances > off the top of my head to have been the best. I'm putting Wire in the mix > (this is a Wire list, after all), even though their set was too short--they > were still great. Plus, U2, PIL, Cocteau Twins, The Cars... not in that > particular order. Yes, they are all (w/exception of Wire) from years past. > And I'm sure I'll get a scolding about how "mainstream" they all are. I'm > bracing myself! > > I am intending to broaden the spectrum within the next few years...I > promise! > Katherine > > p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few of > those! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM > Subject: Re[2]: great live albums > > > She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but > there is so much to choose from!). > > K > >>>>> so who are the others :-) p > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:22:05 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: RE: great live performances >From: "Steve Speight" >The great ones in no particular order > >The Jam (The Modern World) - 1st gig I went to > >Steve > >A woman navigator is a woman lost lucky bastard - I'd give almost anything to relive my first gig and have it be The Jam Laurel A man without a woman navigator will never get there ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:51:39 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: Great gigs--long post, get ready! >From: Katherine Pouliot wait, wait - I have questions!!! He never showed up, and I was too >young or something to get in. My stepfather didn't want me in there >because they were all gay. haha Do you mean he did it on purpose and arranged for you not to be able to go backstage? or he just didn't show up cause HE didn't want to have to deal with it? - you must have been so disappointed - but I guess if he thought he was protecting you..... Never found the shoe, but probably never would hav >chatted with Bez if I hadn't lost it. No big whoop, just a funny story to >tell. No, I love this stuff - I love to hear when they're just normal doing normal things - especially nice things - it surprises me sometimes, and renews my faith when I hear stuff like this - can't imagine some of those "rock stars" noticing, much less caring, and then going out of their way to help - you must have that damsel in distress thing down pat by now - hell, I'd be losing my shoe every show - in fact, I may have to add that to my list of must do tricks >Saw Lush and Ride at The Paradise in Cambridge probably in '90 or '91 also. >Stayed around after the show and met Lush and Miki autographed my ticket. >We >exchanged exercise, hair tips and accents. sounds very fun - more of a personal thing to remember - I'm jealous >Happy weekend everyone, >Katherine > ditto Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:04:04 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Closet Mod alert!!!! Cat, << I always loved Thw Wonder Stuff live and the same goes for The Chords. >> Never saw the Chords live - but they were by far the best of the post-Jam Mod revivalists. Their one and only album (So Far Away) is one of the most brilliant powerpop albums ever made.... Living in Blackpool we were overrun by mods most weekends in 79-80, and most of the mod bands played at the Norbreck castle nite spot - pretty much every weekend there was a mod band on. So of course I went along (nothing better to do). Even exhumed one of my Dad's old suits so I blended in better (the spiky hair was a bit of a giveaway though). Most of the bands were ex-punks, of course, and some were very good. I remember seeing the Purple hearts supported by the Nips (Shane McGowan's punk band) one night in late 79, which was a top gig. Also the Selecter, supported by the Beat, who were fabulous live. mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:14:44 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: re: the Cure >regarding the old Cure: I was lucky to have the 17 Seconds/Faith >two lp set right when it came out, about 1981 (what was it called again?). >This was such >exceptional music back then, I really thought I stumbled onto something! I >couldn't really get into their music past those two >albums, but they were like having Wordsworth or something back then. Well, I don't know about Wordsworth, but I remember still the impression the early Cure made on me. The first singles and album were very interesting, and catchy, examples of that inside/out sound that bands like GoF, Delta 5 and others were getting, angular yet catchy, hummable, yet with an edge. 17 Seconds and Faith were such leaps of growth - monuments to bleakness. It was impossible to imagine how they could possiblly progress from there. But then they started to do silly, popular in the dancefloor stuff like "Love Cats" and lost me immediately. I was intrigued that Robert Smith was tipped for the Banshees, and kept the Cure going at the same time. But the more the Cure went on, the more infantile their sense of morbidity and depression became. You'd have all these kids around who thought that Robert symbolized their disaffection with the world, copying his haircut and wearing only black and laying about just reinforcing each other when the only thing they were disaffected from was putting some effort into their own lives to do something original/creative. Oh, god, how I hated that protoGoth scene. And It's only gotten worse. - Steve G. (who now can't get that stupid "Love Cats" melody out of his head despite not hearing it for 15 years!!) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:23:55 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Closet Mod alert!!!!-We are the Mods..etc... Cat, > > << I always loved Thw Wonder Stuff live and the same goes for The > Chords. >> > > Never saw the Chords live - but they were by far the best of the post-Jam Mod > revivalists. Their one and only album (So Far Away) is one of the most > brilliant powerpop albums ever made.... < > Living in Blackpool we were overrun by mods most weekends in 79-80, and most > of the mod bands played at the Norbreck castle nite spot - pretty much every > weekend there was a mod band on. So of course I went along (nothing better to > do). Even exhumed one of my Dad's old suits so I blended in better (the spiky > hair was a bit of a giveaway though). Most of the bands were ex-punks, of > course, and some were very good. I remember seeing the Purple hearts > supported by the Nips (Shane McGowan's punk band) one night in late 79, which > was a top gig. Also the Selecter, supported by the Beat, who were fabulous > live. > < mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:35:16 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: great live performances > >I saw MBV at the same place, but a few years before, at a big Creation-fest >(Felt and the Weather Prophets also played, along with others. Biff Bang >Pow >as well ;-) Have to say I was disappointed - had nothing like the intensity >of the albums. I caught MBV the first time they came to NYC, and boy was I champing at the bit. It was probably around the time of Isn't Anything, and the were well underground still, though a couple of downtown shops had the 12"ers from Sunny Sundae, Strawberry Wine, Ecstacy, and You Made Me/Feed Me ( Didn't You Made Me, Isn't, and Feed Me all come out within weeks of each other? Seems like in my memory). They had a real new sound, right on the heals of "Guitar is Dead" pronouncements (phase four) and were in the vanguard of a new pyschedelia that I classed Spacemen 3 and Loop in also (up and comers - Telescopes, Pale Saints, preshoegazing) but were still working in a recognizable rockband format/context. They played way uptown at some record company hangout with John Moore(?) formerly of Jesus and Mary Chain (For some reason, MBV definately seemed very postJ&MC) opening. He sucked. MBV were good, but not mind blowing. I stood right, Right up front, but down to it, they were basically a postWho four peice rock band with some very opium/womb/orallity/wrapped in a blanket vibe going on. Then a couple nights later, Maxwell's in Hoboken, again good, not great, but very intimate. Next tour. Wow!! They were a monster. Quite possibly the best band in the world that night. Saw them in Charlottesville, VA (I had moved from NYC) opening(!!) for Dinosaur Jr. Was running the UVA based college radio station rock dept. So got to hang with band before show to to ID's and stuff. The club let me dj between sets, so I showed Kevin the CD's I wanted to play. He was very interested in a lot of the new music out. One of these was the Ministry's "Jesus Built My Hotrod" which was a new favorite around the station. Right before MBV played he came out to the dj booth and I put on the disc and pushed the clubs sound system to the Max. What an experience - that song is meant to be played LOUD. MBV came out and played a set that would put the Who or Zeppelin to shame. The didn't just play songs, they played volume. It was a sonic assualt full stop. Especially the closed "You Made Me..." which had tranmorgrafied into this 10 minute onechord whitenoise monster. We were pummeled. Later that year I went back up to NYC to a New Music Seminar and MBV played (at Studio 54?) on the same bill as local C'ville boys Pavement. Another great show, but no longer the Revelation. Then they disappeared. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:32:45 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: the Cure You'd have all > these kids around who thought that Robert symbolized their disaffection with > the world, copying his haircut and wearing only black < Subject: Viewing Tip Of interest to some on the list Wednesday night (Thursday AM) 12.35 - 01.25 , Channel 4; 'Mirrorball' - 'A profile of Chris Cunningham and his work with Aphex Twin and Bjork.' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:41:18 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: Closet Mod alert!!!! > >Never saw the Chords live - but they were by far the best of the post-Jam >Mod >revivalists. Their one and only album (So Far Away) is one of the most >brilliant powerpop albums ever made.... I was always a bit disappointed by So Far Away after the brilliant build up of the singles. Steve G. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:51:20 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Closet Mod alert!!!!Part 2 << I must also add that The Chords recorded the best John Peel session I've ever heard!>> I remember that one - it was good. Not sure I have it on tape ( I do have hundreds of peel sessions on tape). For my money, the best one ever was the first one by the Associates, which came ont on Strange Fruit. Five songs too. It was as near as they came to capturing their live sound in the studio.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:04:36 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: great live performances > << My Bloody Valentine, London T&C 1992 - Two things I liked best > in this gig: > For anyone who doesn't remember that was the shoegazing period in London, > and MBV were considered as the mother and father of all > shoegazers, so all > those bands went to that gig to see if they could keep up to their > reputations. I was a few rows behind the members of Curve, and the better > MBV got throughout that show the more pissed off and horrified > they were. It > was great to watch them. Second thing I liked (particularly > liked - I liked > everything in that gig) was the white noise fader MBV put in, > just when you > thought it can't get any noisier.<< > > I saw MBV at the same place, but a few years before, at a big > Creation-fest > (Felt and the Weather Prophets also played, along with others. > Biff Bang Pow > as well ;-) Have to say I was disappointed - had nothing like the > intensity > of the albums. I don't know about that, but that gig (which I think was the first after Loveless was released) was trully awesome. Belinda and whatshisname (the other guitarist) were shoegazing while Debbie Goodge and the drummer rocked on - you could hear that they knew they were great. And aith all that noise they also had a flute player with them!!! >The didn't just play >songs, they played volume. It was a sonic assualt full stop. Especially >the closed "You Made Me..." which had tranmorgrafied into this 10 minute >onechord whitenoise monster. I was in London studying sound at the time, and a few weeks after the gig we were in the T&C talking to the house sound engineer, and I asked him how they did that thing, when you think your ears and whole body can't take it anymore, and that nothing can be as loud as this, and suddenly you have this boost of noise which made everything even louder. Well, they actually had a white noise generator on the console, and their engineer just put it in at the right time. If any band ever earned the title "Art of Noise" it was them that night. > > I saw Curve when they reformed a couple of years ago and they were > surprisingly good, if a bit samey. > > >>The Fall, Brighton, 1991<< > > With Martin Bramah? I was at that gig and it was indeed a good one. Actually that was after Martin Bramah was kicked out, unfortunately. But still, it was my first time in Brighton, it was my birthday and it was a great gig. MES was in a good mood for a change and he didn't try to interrupt the band (cutting cables, moving microphones, etc.), as he does so often. I always thought that the Fall with only S Woltenscroft, S Hanley, and C Scanlon were a bit lacking, but they weren't on that night. I think they were supported by a very young Suede, which I disliked from the first moment. > > >>Pixies, Hammersmith Odeon, 1991<< > > Saw them at the T&C probably about 88-89. Very disappointing. All > drums and > shouting. The only good bits were when Kim Deal sang. > Another worst gig I've been to was the Pixies in Crystal Palace Bowl around the time of the Planet of Sound EP. After being pushed and tramped on during the support acts by Ride fans, I snuck out where I could breathe a bit, had the munchies, ate lots of crappy hotdogs and went back home. The Pixies? I don't think lots of people really noticed they were there (including themselves). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:01:41 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: Great gigs--long post, get ready! > From: "Laurel G" > Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:51:39 CDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Great gigs--long post, get ready! > >> From: Katherine Pouliot > > wait, wait - I have questions!!! > >> He never showed up, and I was too >> young or something to get in. My stepfather didn't want me in there >> because they were all gay. haha > > Do you mean he did it on purpose and arranged for you not to be able to go > backstage? or he just didn't show up cause HE didn't want to have to deal > with it? - you must have been so disappointed - but I guess if he thought he > was protecting you..... Hi Laurel, That night, my boyfriend drove me all the way into the city (yep, I lived in the sticks) for the occasion, and we wound up waiting and driving around the theater for almost two hours. At that point, we were so frustrated, we went to dinner instead. At least I got a nice meal out of it! My stepfather was always doing things to disappoint me. I couldn't see it any other way at the time - and afterwards, instead of apologizing, he simply used the excuse (remember, this is coming from a bigoted Texan) "They're all a bunch of fag limeys anyway." Yep. I am assuming that he got me those little props to have as souvenirs and didn't intend on having me get in there, especially after he found out that backstage was probably a gay orgy or something. yikes! I suppose he was protecting me, he just had a sorry way of expressing it. > >> Never found the shoe, but probably never would hav >> chatted with Bez if I hadn't lost it. No big whoop, just a funny story to >> tell. > > No, I love this stuff - I love to hear when they're just normal doing normal > things - especially nice things - it surprises me sometimes, and renews my > faith when I hear stuff like this - can't imagine some of those "rock stars" > noticing, much less caring, and then going out of their way to help - you > must have that damsel in distress thing down pat by now - hell, I'd be > losing my shoe every show - in fact, I may have to add that to my list of > must do tricks It's funny, it was so unintentional, I had no idea the band people would still be there. Usually, after they leave the stage, they are nowhere to be found. I guess they still had stuff to clear away after the majority of the people split for another bar/club. Back then I suppose it was cute when I was like 21 or whatever, but now, I'm not sure what it would look like. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to try again. I'll just have to remember to wear cheap shoes! We girls have to have some tricks, after all? > >> Saw Lush and Ride at The Paradise in Cambridge probably in '90 or '91 also. >> Stayed around after the show and met Lush and Miki autographed my ticket. >> We >> exchanged exercise, hair tips and accents. > > sounds very fun - more of a personal thing to remember - I'm jealous They were talking to everyone, actually. I was just wild about her bright red hair - I was never brave enough to do that myself and asked her how she got it so bright, and then the conversation went on from there. I figured they were such a little known band that it was no big whoop. Aside from the fact they were in a band with videos in rotation on Mtv and all, I'd not met too many people from outside the US before, so I considered it cool to meet someone with a different background and have something in common to talk about (girly things in general). I like meeting people from other countries (or states, for that matter) and talking about basic things - it's a really grounding experience for me. > >> Happy weekend everyone, >> Katherine >> > > ditto > Laurel > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:15:59 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? > Shonen Knife, anyone? > I've been staying out of this discussion because I'm terrible at lists, (^_^) but I will chime in here. One of the most enjoyable shows I have ever seen was Shonen Knife at Moe's in Seattle, in support of their Rock Animals album. Technically, their playing was quite amateurish, but the joy and enthusiasm they had was infectious. Everyone was dancing - and that included the jaded Seattle rock scene veterans who were in attendance. (Eddie Vedder, members of the Posies, etc.) At one point in the show, the three Knifesters got out a small, disposable camera, and took a picture of themselves in front of the audience - then they thanked us! As they've gotten more proficient, their shows haven't been quite as much fun as that particular show. They're still worth seeing, though. Unfortunately, the future of the band is in some doubt as the bassist has left the group, and the two sisters aren't sure what to do now. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:20:46 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? > I like Cibo Matto - but they're not all girl & haven't been around that long > either. Okay, I feel the need to comment on this band as well. I have the second album, Stereo Type A, and I liked it, but I wasn't prepared for their live show at all. There's a big festival here in Seattle called Bumbershoot that happens every year. Cibo Matto were on the bill, and even though they weren't a huge favorite of mine, I decided to go see them, if only to say I'd seen Sean Lennon. Wow Let me repeat that. WOW. It was one of the most amazing shows I saw that year. Totally blew the roof off the KeyArena. Sean played bass like a heavy metal god. What sounds intellectual and cute on their records turned into powerful rock anthems. Blue Train and Sci-Fi Wasabi in particular. I had to go back and re-listen to the album to see how the production had messed it up. I'm not sure if future shows of theirs will equal that one, but it was an amazing show. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #196 *******************************