From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #195 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, June 25 2000 Volume 03 : Number 195 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: great live performances ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: great live performances [Carl Archer ] Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: great live performances [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? ["Laurel G" ] Re: great live performances ["stephen graziano" ] Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? [Carl Archer ] Re: great live albums [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? ["tube disaster" ] RE: great live albums ["giluz" ] RE: great live performances ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:31:44 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: great live performances - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Steve Speight Sent: 23 June 2000 17:44 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: great live performances The great ones in no particular order The Jam (The Modern World) - 1st gig I went to The Buzzcocks (Another Music) The Clash (Give 'em Enough Rope) Got to agree with this, Leeds uni for me. Magazine (Secondhand Daylight) Adam & The Ants (before they'd released anything) Cabaret Voltaire (The Voice of America) PIL (last UK Tour) David Bowie (Modern Love) Roger Waters (Radio Chaos) The Ruts (The Nashville several times) Siouxsie (Albert Hall for Nocturne) The Stranglers (The Old Trout, Windsor - 1st warm up gig with new singer) The Creatures (several gigs last year) Radiohead - in 2 weeks time - I'm guessing here 8~)) Also in no particular order (and the final one for pure entertainment value only) ThompsonTwins - very early on Sheffield uni, about 50 in the audience James - last year's Glastonbury warm-up gig, Oxford Brookes Uni Pretty Vacant Tour - Cleethorpes Winter gardens Deaf School - Redcar Coatham Bowl(78) Buzzcocks '77(?) - Derby dEUS - last year Oxford Zodiac Television/Blondie tour (76?) - Sheffiled City Hall Talking Heads/Ramones tour (about the same time as above) - Aylesbury Friars Graham Parker & the Rumour/Southside Johnny & The Asbury Dukes - (76) Sheffield and Leicester de Montfort Kid Creole & The Coconuts (yes Really!!!) - Leeds Uni (81) AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:57:44 +0100 From: "sean bowen" Subject: Gilbert artwork on book cover A real obscurity for serious Wire completists : Just got hold of recent novel by my current favourite writer Martyn Bedford : 'The Houdini Girl'. The cover features a detail from 'Behind the Curtain' by Bruce Gilbert and Jon Wozencroft. No connection with the story, as far as I know ! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:03:31 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: great live performances You're all going to laugh at me, but INXS at Madison Square Garden in '88 was probably one of the best shows that I've ever seen. Jeff Buckley at the Roseland Ballroom was pretty amazing too. Midnight Oil, The Cure, and PIL (Happy? tour). Still haven't been to a bad Superchunk show. Believe it or not, I've seen the Goo Goo Dolls at least a dozen times up until about '93 or '94. For those not familiar with their history, this lufty ballad easy-listening ear candy stuff they're pushing now is not what they were like back in the day. As far as the worst goes, I'd have to nominate Pink Floyd during the Momentary Lapse tour. Pigface was fairly horrible as well. KMFDM was great the first time I saw them (opening for Ministry in '90), but they sucked the other 2 shows which I attended. I won't count any shows that I didn't want to attend (Spin Doctors >ick!<), - -Carl > From: "Katherine Pouliot" > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:00:48 -0400 > To: , > Subject: great live performances > > DOH! you had to ask haha > > Well, from my personal concert history, I remember these live performances > off the top of my head to have been the best. I'm putting Wire in the mix > (this is a Wire list, after all), even though their set was too short--they > were still great. Plus, U2, PIL, Cocteau Twins, The Cars... not in that > particular order. Yes, they are all (w/exception of Wire) from years past. > And I'm sure I'll get a scolding about how "mainstream" they all are. I'm > bracing myself! > > I am intending to broaden the spectrum within the next few years...I > promise! > Katherine > > p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few of > those! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM > Subject: Re[2]: great live albums > > > She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but > there is so much to choose from!). > > K >>>>>> so who are the others :-) p > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:08:29 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? > From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:17:12 EDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? > > um, okay. this is coming from a guy who has never walked out on a movie > even...and has been left in the theater more than once by his wife. how great > is that?! "you stay and watch the rest, honey. i'm going home." she knows how > much i love "those weird, irritating art films" hehe. > anyway, let's go with: > ultravox @avery fisher hall, nyc. reap the wild wind, etc...i love the songs, > but it was like watching the records being performed. they hit every note, > midge reproduced every bend of the tremelo bar perfectly, it was as if robots > were up on stage performing. too perfect...hrm, is that a complaint? > chequered past @the peppermint lounge, nyc 1982 or 83? half of blondie joins > the other half of the sex pistols with michael (?) des barres singing. they > played a lot of covers. opened with vacation by the go-gos. um, i implied > before that i'm not too critical or picky... hey now, don't barf on the go-gos! they may have been pop, but they had a great first album. nothing wrong with girly pop, in those days, at least. much better than christina aquilera, etc. > rush hehe, i know i know-easy target. the thing i am thankful for is that the > spacey jams all those arena rock bands were so good at is what got me into > krautrock and post punk indie music. it's just the path i took. that i > arrived at my destination is the important thing. anyway, this was the second > time i saw them, moving pictures tour. the turn off was that they went into > the required 20 minute drum solo during like the 4th or 5th song of the set! > idiots!! that may have been the last gig of that type i ever attended. whew! > > -paul > > p.s. on the best and worst list would be: > new order/echo and the bunnymen/gene loves jezebel @jones beach, ny 198(7)?- > new order...great, echo...great! they opened their set with like 5 straight > from crocodiles, g loves j...ugh! i had seen them a few times before this and > really enjoyed their gigs. this one just never got off the ground. flat, > boring. > Yeah, I second that. I saw that show too, at Great Woods in Boston. I was quite out of it myself, think I may have been stoned??? haha -- one of like 3 times in my life. I remember Gene Loves Jezebel because it was still daylight, in this outdoor arena, and they were all drama queening it. This guy I liked was standing a few rows away from me, and he was standing up looking back at me. I had to look almost directly at one of the band guys and then refocus to see the other guy in front a few rows, I probably looked like I was obsessed with the band!! haah It was a tough crowd for them--nobody was even paying attention. Everyone was talking, drinking, waiting for New Order and Echo. Can't remember much about New Order - guess it was pretty much record reproduction. Echo was great though. So glad I came out of the haze by then! K ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:15:40 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: great live performances > From: "- hyponoise -" > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:39:53 EDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: great live performances > >> p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? > > easy. the dany worhols supporting curve on the come clean tour. they sucked, > and waht was even worse is that they knew they sucked. sensing how much the > croud hated them they played over their allocated time and into the sceduled > time for curves set. its was so depressing ot see such utter shite [ same > drum beat just w/ diffrent tempos, guitarist so strug out he needs to bend > over to trigger his fx pedals [ after almost falling over three times ], > lead singer in total moan mode, and having to watch the fatt strug out ugly > as hell keyboard player gyrate he bacon ass all over. thank god she didnt do > the trademark dandy worhols topless bit. ] sandwitched between genius, dj? > acucrack and curve. that his hilarious. I saw a video for one of their songs(something about boys) and was like, "who the f* are these idiots?" I really didn't get much from it. Then the keyboardist flings off her top. I'm no femi-nazi, but honey, please don't burn the impression of your bod into their minds - don't spoil it for us good looking women!!!! I mean really, if a band has to have a topless keyboardist to get attention, then it really is proof that their music sucks. (I'm sure there are exceptions to this rule--just can't remember any nudie band members right now). She is all "I feel more comfortable that way..." yeah, right it has nothing to do with having umpteen thousand dudes watching your tits bounce. uh huh. lol K > > -jason > n . p . not breathing . itchy tingles [ cant get enough of this crazy idm > music ] > www.mp3.com/wilt > just because a cat has her kittens in the oven doesn’t make them biscuits > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:26:37 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: great live performances > From: Carl Archer > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:03:31 -0400 > To: Katherine Pouliot , , > > Subject: Re: great live performances > > You're all going to laugh at me, but INXS at Madison Square Garden in '88 > was probably one of the best shows that I've ever seen. Jeff Buckley at the > Roseland Ballroom was pretty amazing too. Midnight Oil, The Cure, and PIL > (Happy? tour). Still haven't been to a bad Superchunk show. I'm not laughing. I saw INXS on the same tour at Great Woods in Mansfield, MA - they were really good. Loud and interactive with the audience, and Michael Hutchence all wiggly on the stage. Nothing wrong with that. I'm glad I saw them then, when they were playing some of their old stuff that I really liked, and before Michael offed himself. A shame. PIL I've seen 2 times - on the Happy Tour (beginning and end or something). They were great each time. Johnny always puts on a good show. Once with a sort of unknown first band and then the other time with New Order and The Sugarcubes--that was a fun show. Got to see Bjork before she became a raving maniac. haha As an aside of that - had tickets to see The Sugarcubes on their first US tour of bars/clubs, won them from a radio station, and then was told I was too young to go, then the gig was cancelled as they couldn't get their visa to come to the US. Still have the ticket! > > Believe it or not, I've seen the Goo Goo Dolls at least a dozen times up > until about '93 or '94. For those not familiar with their history, this > lufty ballad easy-listening ear candy stuff they're pushing now is not what > they were like back in the day. > I would have loved to see them prior to all the sappy music. I can't say it does anything for me. The lead guy is gorgeous too! Just a little girly opinion there. K > As far as the worst goes, I'd have to nominate Pink Floyd during the > Momentary Lapse tour. Pigface was fairly horrible as well. KMFDM was great > the first time I saw them (opening for Ministry in '90), but they sucked the > other 2 shows which I attended. > > I won't count any shows that I didn't want to attend (Spin Doctors >ick!<), > > -Carl > >> From: "Katherine Pouliot" >> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:00:48 -0400 >> To: , >> Subject: great live performances >> >> DOH! you had to ask haha >> >> Well, from my personal concert history, I remember these live performances >> off the top of my head to have been the best. I'm putting Wire in the mix >> (this is a Wire list, after all), even though their set was too short--they >> were still great. Plus, U2, PIL, Cocteau Twins, The Cars... not in that >> particular order. Yes, they are all (w/exception of Wire) from years past. >> And I'm sure I'll get a scolding about how "mainstream" they all are. I'm >> bracing myself! >> >> I am intending to broaden the spectrum within the next few years...I >> promise! >> Katherine >> >> p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few of >> those! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re[2]: great live albums >> >> >> She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but >> there is so much to choose from!). >> >> K >>>>>>> so who are the others :-) p >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:11:57 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? > >um, okay. this is coming from a guy who has never walked out on a movie >even...and has been left in the theater more than once by his wife. how >great >is that?! "you stay and watch the rest, honey. i'm going home." she knows >how >much i love "those weird, irritating art films" hehe. Ok, I'll get to worst live performance in a sec - but this staying at bad movies kills me, cause I'm the same way - I'll never forget one time my friend and I went to the drive in and after the feature there was a Raquel Welch film playing called "restless" if I remember - so we figured what the heck, we'll stick around - and the movie started, and it was going, and we kept waiting for it to "start" - you know how some movies are slow going in the beginning, then they "start"? - so about an hour and a half later, after waiting for it to "start", it ended - just like that, all the sudden - we just sat there dumbfounded - then we looked around at the other cars and everyone else was doing the same thing - we were all looking around at each other in disbelief - then everone cracked up and started talking to each other from car to car - it was the weirdest thing - we all had the same reaction - we all felt really stupid for sitting through the whole thing and couldn't begin to figure out what we'd seen - anyway, it was just one of those moments in life, maybe you had to be there, but we still laugh about it 20+ years later and how stupid we feel for sitting through the whole thing the two worst experiences I had at big concerts were Moody Blues and Beach Boys - Moody Blues was just boring, we left - Beach Boys took us 2 tries to walk out on them - the first one we got there and the band never showed up, so it was rescheduled - I wish it hadn't been cause we left the reschedule - now, I must say when I was a kid I LOVED the Beach Boys - as an adult it was like I didn't really listen anymore but it was THE Beach Boys - well Mike had no voice left and Denny was so high, drunk whatever he could barely play, not that he was any great artisit to begin with, and inbetween songs was a nightmare of farting around and covering up the fact that he could barely stay on his seat without falling off - my sister saw them in Long Beach, I think, not too long after and they had a back up drummer on stage behind him and part way through he was "too sick" to play and left - what we thought were going to be shining moments of sappy and sentimental reminiscing, turned into a disgusted dashing of everything we cherished in our childhood - what an eye opening experience Saw a few shows at smaller clubs in the last couple of years that we walked out of - reforms/returns of old bands - one was EnufZnuf (never can spell that) and Quiet Riot - don't think I'd have gone to begin with if my friends hadn't opened for them - we usually try to stay and enjoy the headliner, but these were just too bad past live performances all kind of just blend together now - the only ones I remember that much about have been in recent years - Pegboy was great, what a show - Buzzcocks I saw twice this last tour, loved every moment, with the added bonus of Lunachicks - one of the best shows I saw wasn't even music - Marky Ramone doing his speaking thing at the Expo of the Extreme - Wire was a great show, and a great time - Rancid and Hepcat was a good show - SLF was a good show - I'm pretty easy to please really, there may be bad moments I whine about at a show, but if I have fun and good company and I get some slammin punk, I'm a pretty happy person when I leave no matter who plays Oh, I do remember going to Iowa City to see the Allman Brothers - my sister was working the show, so my girlfriend and I took a bus there, were listed as part of the lighting crew and had a blast - it was a great live performance for me not because of the music, but because I was a high school kid loose in a college field house, with a crew member pass - now that ranks among the best live performances I've ever been to Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:18:59 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? Katherine said: >hey now, don't barf on the go-gos! they may have been pop, but they had a >great first album. nothing wrong with girly pop, in those days, at least. >much better than christina aquilera, etc. Oh! I agree - I love the Go-Gos - and if they weren't playing at the World Music Theater, I'd be going - I love girly pop, and girly punk - not so thrilled with girly "rock" - but if they're good at what they do I like it pretty well Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:16:15 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: RE: great live performances >Deaf School - Redcar Coatham Bowl(78) I love Deaf School. Can't find any CD's though. Thought they were the link between smart/stylish Roxy stuff and the Liverpool pop explosion of the late 70's early 80's >Graham Parker & the Rumour/Southside Johnny & The Asbury Dukes - (76) >Sheffield and Leicester de Montfort Saw Graham Parker on his first (?) American visit at NYU gig. Probably right on the release of the 2nd album. Really good, plain, hard working band/songs combo. Really excelled with Squeezing Out Sparks. For a while there it was hard to tell the difference between Graham, Elvis. C., and Joe Jackson. >Kid Creole & The Coconuts (yes Really!!!) - Leeds Uni (81) If you like Kid Creole try to find Christinia - an album that August Darnell masterminded in the very early 80's. Sexy breathy smart NY pop/disco. Me no pop I! -- Steve G. > > >AndyL > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:24:57 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: great live performances I think that there is a big qualitative difference in the arena/big hall gig experience and the club setting. When I was younger, nearly all the shows I went to were in Madison Square Garden and the like - Led Zeppelin, Who, Jethro Tull, Neil Young, Queen, and in their ways, they were great. Or mid size theaters like the Beacon and Palladium - Queen, Tubes, Be Bop Deluxe, U2, PiL. Especially technologically. But I must say, that once I started going to clubs, there was no substitute for seeing a band close up and personal. The intimacy of the small setting, the ability of the performers to connect directly with audience members, more than balanced the rush of seeing famous and/or proficient musicians way away there on the stage. There's also something to be said about the high of grooving on a band that not the whole rest of the world is seemingly in on (oblig Wire ref) which is hard to do when 20,000 of your closest friends are at the same arena. >From: Carl Archer >To: Katherine Pouliot , , > >Subject: Re: great live performances >Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:03:31 -0400 > >You're all going to laugh at me, but INXS at Madison Square Garden in '88 >was probably one of the best shows that I've ever seen. Jeff Buckley at >the >Roseland Ballroom was pretty amazing too. Midnight Oil, The Cure, and PIL >(Happy? tour). Still haven't been to a bad Superchunk show. > >Believe it or not, I've seen the Goo Goo Dolls at least a dozen times up >until about '93 or '94. For those not familiar with their history, this >lufty ballad easy-listening ear candy stuff they're pushing now is not what >they were like back in the day. > >As far as the worst goes, I'd have to nominate Pink Floyd during the >Momentary Lapse tour. Pigface was fairly horrible as well. KMFDM was >great >the first time I saw them (opening for Ministry in '90), but they sucked >the >other 2 shows which I attended. > >I won't count any shows that I didn't want to attend (Spin Doctors >ick!<), > >-Carl > > > From: "Katherine Pouliot" > > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:00:48 -0400 > > To: , > > Subject: great live performances > > > > DOH! you had to ask haha > > > > Well, from my personal concert history, I remember these live >performances > > off the top of my head to have been the best. I'm putting Wire in the >mix > > (this is a Wire list, after all), even though their set was too >short--they > > were still great. Plus, U2, PIL, Cocteau Twins, The Cars... not in that > > particular order. Yes, they are all (w/exception of Wire) from years >past. > > And I'm sure I'll get a scolding about how "mainstream" they all are. >I'm > > bracing myself! > > > > I am intending to broaden the spectrum within the next few years...I > > promise! > > Katherine > > > > p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few >of > > those! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: ; > > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM > > Subject: Re[2]: great live albums > > > > > > She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, >but > > there is so much to choose from!). > > > > K > >>>>>> so who are the others :-) p > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:36:04 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? Shonen Knife, anyone? - -Carl > From: "Laurel G" > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:18:59 CDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? > > Katherine said: > >> hey now, don't barf on the go-gos! they may have been pop, but they had a >> great first album. nothing wrong with girly pop, in those days, at least. >> much better than christina aquilera, etc. > > Oh! I agree - I love the Go-Gos - and if they weren't playing at the World > Music Theater, I'd be going - I love girly pop, and girly punk - not so > thrilled with girly "rock" - but if they're good at what they do I like it > pretty well > > Laurel > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:47:14 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? > >Shonen Knife, anyone? > >-Carl Funny, we had a discussion about them on another list and that very night I watched the new Parent Trap with the kids and noticed they're on the soundtrack - I didn't mind watching at all (well, besides the fact that the original is one of my favorite movies, so how could I go wrong? sad bastard, ain't i?) Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:46:49 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? > > Shonen Knife, anyone? > > -Carl As in crappy live performance, or crappy girly band, or great girl pop band?? I like Cibo Matto - but they're not all girl & haven't been around that long either. K ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:50:25 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? That is not too sad, I can make it relate back to music. Hayley Mills' son Crispin is in Kula Shaker. Anyone know what happened to KS? Haven't heard anything from them since last year. I watched "Freaky Friday" on the Disney channel a few nights ago. I guess that is considered really sad! K > From: "Laurel G" > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:47:14 CDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? > >> >> Shonen Knife, anyone? >> >> -Carl > > > Funny, we had a discussion about them on another list and that very night I > watched the new Parent Trap with the kids and noticed they're on the > soundtrack - I didn't mind watching at all (well, besides the fact that the > original is one of my favorite movies, so how could I go wrong? sad bastard, > ain't i?) > > Laurel > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:59:43 +0100 From: "sean bowen" Subject: Wire on mobile phones Hi all, Anyone ever heard a Wire melody as the ringing tune on someone's mobile ? At work, I'm constantly sujected to tinny bleepings of 'Ride of the Walkuries', Bach's Toccata, Widor, James Bond theme, Muppet show theme, Beethoven #9, and that 'Down down down' dance hit from last year. ( Personally, I think all mobile users should be strung up from transmitter masts, but I think I could make an exception for someone who'd taken the trouble to program the 'Map Ref'. chorus or the chiming riff from 'Ahead'). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:20:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: great live albums On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Surprised to see no votes for the velvets live '69.....What Goes On from that > album has to be one of the best live performances of any song. ever. Yep - that one could go on forever for me. I think some of the between-song chatter is brilliant too - there's this bit where Lou's going on about it being a school night, and aren't you kids up too late? etc. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::SCENE 2: ::Aunt Fritzi applies lipstick in the mirror. In the next room, Sluggo ::removes his ever-present cap and blows his nose in a red handkerchief. ::Nancy enters the room and accuses Sluggo of stealing the donuts that ::Aunt Fritzi made for her. Sluggo looks at the clock, which reads 8:54, ::and says he'd better hurry or he'll be late for his trombone lesson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:08:31 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: any votes for crappiest live performance?? >That is not too sad, I can make it relate back to music. Hayley Mills' son >Crispin is in Kula Shaker. Anyone know what happened to KS? Haven't heard >anything from them since last year. Broke up awhile back after a 2nd-album sales slump, didn't they? I could be totally wrong .... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:51:45 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re Great live performances > savage republic/shiva burlesque/bbq killers @ the pyramid, nyc > 1988 went for > sr, but the whole show turned out to be a real cmj highlight. Oh my god - I thought I was the only one in the world who ever heard of them. I quite liked them in the 80's, and tried to listen to them again a few years back and found them REALLY BORING. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:13:22 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: great live albums Is this the album recorded at Max's? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 10:21 PM > To: Grand Mute Proof > Subject: Re: great live albums > > > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > Surprised to see no votes for the velvets live '69.....What > Goes On from that > > album has to be one of the best live performances of any song. ever. > > Yep - that one could go on forever for me. I think some of the > between-song chatter is brilliant too - there's this bit where Lou's going > on about it being a school night, and aren't you kids up too late? etc. > > --Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html > ::SCENE 2: > ::Aunt Fritzi applies lipstick in the mirror. In the next room, Sluggo > ::removes his ever-present cap and blows his nose in a red handkerchief. > ::Nancy enters the room and accuses Sluggo of stealing the donuts that > ::Aunt Fritzi made for her. Sluggo looks at the clock, which reads 8:54, > ::and says he'd better hurry or he'll be late for his trombone lesson. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:17:42 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: great live performances My tops (in no particular order): John Cale, Tel-Aviv 1985 - totally burned up, just before he started to calm down and act his age. So him a few times later but it was not the same. My Bloody Valentine, London T&C 1992 - Two things I liked best in this gig: For anyone who doesn't remember that was the shoegazing period in London, and MBV were considered as the mother and father of all shoegazers, so all those bands went to that gig to see if they could keep up to their reputations. I was a few rows behind the members of Curve, and the better MBV got throughout that show the more pissed off and horrified they were. It was great to watch them. Second thing I liked (particularly liked - I liked everything in that gig) was the white noise fader MBV put in, just when you thought it can't get any noisier. The Fall, Brighton, 1991 The Fall, Brixton, 1990 - not uch to say about those two - could have been the 80's or 70's if I just had the luck to be there - when they're good they're the best. Wire, RFH, 2000 Chemical Brothers, Lowlands Festival, Netherlands, 1999 - The perfect combination of dancing and intelligence. Pixies, Hammersmith Odeon, 1991 PJ Harvey, That was just before the release of her 1st album, after Sheela-na-gig (or something like that) was released as a single. I just went to a Robyn Hitchcock gig and there she was supporting him - quite awsome really. Minimal Compact - well, all three gigs I saw were absolutely brilliant and completely different (1984, 1986 & 1987) David Bowie - Outside tour, Tel-Aviv - well, for my defense I'll say that he's also on the worst list, but I'm still a big sucker for Bowie, and he was great on that gig - he really enjoyed himself and it showed. SugerCubes, 1992 Bjork, 1996-7 Madness reunion Finsbury Park, 1992 Worst gigs: Elvis Costello (god that was so boring - it was in 1991 or 1992 and he just grew that horrible beard, and he sounded like it as well) Legendary Pink Dots - what a bunch of wankers! Patrick Fitzgerald - followed an ad in TimeOut to a dark pub in Islington where PF drank excessively during the support (the worst thrash trio you could think off - i think they had death in their name as well). Later he tried to sing something, but was too pissed to even hold the guitar. Very sad and pathetic. David Bowie - Glass Spider Tour 87 - There were lots of bad things going on on this gig (Peter Frampton as lead guitarist, for example) but for me the peak was to see david descend with a pair of angel wings to sing Time. Funnily enough, All The Madmen was great. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #195 *******************************