From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #193 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 23 2000 Volume 03 : Number 193 Today's Subjects: ----------------- extra copy of "154" for sale [Rob Gronotte ] Re: RE: great live albums [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Snowpatrol [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: great live albums [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: 90 mins of xtc! [Carl Archer ] Re: great live albums [Carl Archer ] Re: Punishment of Luxury (request for info) ["Uri Baran" ] Re: great live albums ["Stephen JC Sheen" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #192 ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: great live albums ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re[2]: great live albums [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Punishment of Luxury (request for info) ["Mats Hammerman" ] Re: extra copy of "154" for sale [fernando ] great live performances ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re[2]: extra copy of "154" for sale [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: great live performances [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] RE: great live performances ["Ciscon, Ray" ] RE: great live performances [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] RE: great live performances ["Steve Speight" ] Re: great live performances ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re (un)Great live performances [Alan Gray ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #189 [flaherty michael w ] Re: Re (un)Great live performances ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Stop Making Remixes (was: great live albums) ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: Re Great live performances ["stephen graziano" Subject: extra copy of "154" for sale Anyone want to buy a CD of Wire's "154" album? It's the 1989 Restless Retro US reissue with 4 bonus tracks. I got the Japanese issue with tons more bonus tracks, so I don't need this one. Not really sure how much to chareg, feel free to make me an offer. Rob Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:04:41 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: RE: great live albums Spot on about Durutti Column. Chris. Eardrumbuz@aol.com on 23/06/2000 04:33:28 To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: RE: great live albums yes definitely: the ramones-it's alive! not sure if there are fans of these folks here, but how bout: swans-feel good now (okay, sounds pretty much like any of their studio output at the time, but...) durutti column-domo arigato & live at the bottom line(hearing vini live stirs up lots of emotions) talking heads-stop making sense (especially good if you saw the tour) blurt-live in berlin (can't get enough of these guys!) a factory quartet-fac 24 (durutti column, blurt, kevin hewick, royal family and the poor. double lp, 1 side each) james-one man clapping (ok, i know it's pretty rare so most people haven't heard it...but it's pretty darn good!) buzzcocks-live at the lyceum (part of the product box set. can we count this? it's great!) - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:07:57 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Snowpatrol Does anyone have any inf. about Snowpatrol? Any good? Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:54:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: great live albums Surprised to see no votes for the velvets live '69.....What Goes On from that album has to be one of the best live performances of any song. ever. mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:13:53 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: 90 mins of xtc! All I have from that period is Waxworks (which makes me a poser I guess). What album should I start with that's not a compilation? Making Plans For Nigel is one of my all-time favorites, but the Primus version can choke on diesel exhaust... - -Carl > From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:21:15 EDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re:90 mins of xtc! > > > In a message dated 6/20/0 5:58:22 AM, ssheen@clara.co.uk writes: > >> your all-time XTC C90, if you have one. > > my goodness, i've got my all time xtc on three 100min tapes..and that's only > covering 1977-1989! one tape is 77-80, next is 80-84, and next is 84-89. > guess i'm not so good at editing...or just decision making :o) i think it's > time to make a few more tapes :o) > > -paul > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:18:13 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: great live albums The new release of "Stop Making Sense" is much better and has more songs. The version that was issued in '84 is remixed heavily and kills the energy. Oh yes, please don't forget to buy the DVD! Does Laurie Anderson's "Home of the Brave" count as a live album? - -Carl > From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:33:28 EDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: RE: great live albums > > yes definitely: the ramones-it's alive! > > not sure if there are fans of these folks here, but how bout: > > swans-feel good now (okay, sounds pretty much like any of their studio output > at the time, but...) > durutti column-domo arigato & live at the bottom line(hearing vini live stirs > up lots of emotions) > talking heads-stop making sense (especially good if you saw the tour) > blurt-live in berlin (can't get enough of these guys!) > a factory quartet-fac 24 (durutti column, blurt, kevin hewick, royal family > and the poor. double lp, 1 side each) > james-one man clapping (ok, i know it's pretty rare so most people haven't > heard it...but it's pretty darn good!) > buzzcocks-live at the lyceum (part of the product box set. can we count this? > it's great!) > > -paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:05:00 -0700 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: Punishment of Luxury (request for info) I don't know who you're referring to but I was a big fan of theirs. Anyone got any punilux rarities, I'd love to discuss some swaps ;-) Uri > >At least one person on this list was a big Punilux fan when they were >active, but I can't remember who. Anyway, the CDs came out on Overground, >which I'm told has recently gone out of business, tragically enough. The >track listings -- > >Gigantic Days (OVER 75CD, from 1998) >Plants and Insects >Fascicult Barbaraclique >Empire of Idiots >No Admittance >Destiny >Death and Boogie >Auschwitz >Love Decayed >All Change >The Dragon >Feels Like Dancing Wartime >Eyes >Motivator >Welcome >The Prisoner >Rock Out the Box > >Revolution By Numbers (OVER 66CD, from 1997) >Blood Money >Damaging Man >Why Don't You? >Snowqueen >You Eat Too Much >Revolution by Numbers >My Wife's in Love with a Polar Bear >Double Agent >Hold Me (Never Mold Me) >Funghi >Bird and the Elephant >Revelations >Golden Corsets >Tria Dance >Alien Contact >Party Goblins > >The liner notes for Gigantic Days seem to give no hint of any previous >release ... the Revolution By Numbers tracks are apparently previously >unreleased, as "the record company decided to remove the band from its books >soon after hearing the songs." I've gotten the impression somewhere that at >least one other CD exists, but I know no details & could certainly be wrong. > >Dan > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:05:37 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: Re: great live albums > >swans-feel good now (okay, sounds pretty much like any of their studio > > >output at the time, but...) > >i happen to enjoy 'swans are dead' quite a bit more. its just more ummmm >swan-y. [ or what they are in my head ]. As a complete Swans fanatic for a long time - until, ultimately, I felt that they started treading water - I have the majority of their numerous live LPs tucked away somewhere. This is entirely from memory...but, to my mind, the best of them was something called "Real Love", which contained renditions of all yer singalong favourites from the "Greed" era. Whereas the brutal side of Swans at that time had been previously documented by the "Public Castration Is A Good Idea" release (is anyone following this? hello?), "Real Love" was just ghostly and deathly and, in a curious way, spectacularly beautiful. Definitely gets my nomination. Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:32:56 +0100 From: "Stephen JC Sheen" Subject: Re: great live albums Other votes in addition to "Stop Making Sense" for awakening old material in excellent new ways ... "Live Seeds" - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds "BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert" - Dexys Midnight Runners ... and if we're allowed "live in the studio selections", then the songs from the Go-Betweens radio sessions slipped into the first run of copies of Bellavista Terrace are unbeatable. But no question for best record of a great occasion - Jacques Brel at the Paris Olympia 1961. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Archer" To: ; Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:18 PM Subject: Re: great live albums > The new release of "Stop Making Sense" is much better and has more songs. > The version that was issued in '84 is remixed heavily and kills the energy. > Oh yes, please don't forget to buy the DVD! > > Does Laurie Anderson's "Home of the Brave" count as a live album? > > -Carl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:30:04 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #192 > No. agreed, but the rhapsody is much closer to the > > I agree but some one mentioned Frampton Comes Alive the other > > day and nor was that. > > I'd forgotten all about him. i am truly sorry to have brought this up > << > Never saw Wire live until a month ago - but I recall seeing a photo of > > Graham w/a teensy keyboard (a Casio SK-1? I know they used the distinctive > > "voice" setting of that fun cheapy on a version of "German Shepherds"). > > Also, I think somewhere in Eden there's a reference to the band sampling > > the crowd noise and working it into a song...or am I hallucinating again? > > (Time to reread Eden, I guess...) > > Yes, thank you! There are more than just the basics, even if it's only a > small bit. You can tell. >> > > The SK-1 was used right at the end of the 'Beat Combo' era. It may have been > the same keyboard that Graham used on Finest drops. Probably the same one he > used at the Garage last month on Go Ahead. But at all the gigs I saw (except > that one at the Astoria in '88) there were no keyboards on stage. Wire played > 2gtrs, bass, drums. No keys, no tapes, no samplers. IBTABA is reworked from > late gigs. the SK-1 thread was run out a year or 2 back, but worth revisiting this little unit was a wonderful lofi toy which wire used beyond its full advantage it's weakness' (or strengths) were that it had no nonvolatile memory (forgot everything when turned off) and no midi (tho there are retrofit kits/instructions) when i saw them at metro some years ago, graham would sample a snipit of bruces gutar and use it in the next song and of course the wonderful presets in ambulance chasers i encountered bruce having a pint (surprise) in the basement after the show he said that they liked the random nature of the sampler performance to introduce a bit of spontanaity (yeesh - sometimes one might think that english was my second language) > talking heads-stop making sense (especially good if you saw the tour) there was a radio-only release of a live show from the fear of music tour which was even __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:06:29 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: great live albums > From: "Carl Archer" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: great live albums > > > > The new release of "Stop Making Sense" is much better and has more songs. > > The version that was issued in '84 is remixed heavily and kills the > energy. > > Oh yes, please don't forget to buy the DVD! > > > > Does Laurie Anderson's "Home of the Brave" count as a live album? > > > > -Carl My husband has a few Laurie Anderson albums. I give her kudos for her use of technology and all that, sure, but I wouldn't buy her albums. I was never a fan. That was, until we saw her live a few years ago. Records, live or otherwise, don't do her justice! She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but there is so much to choose from!). K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:26:06 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: great live albums She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but there is so much to choose from!). K >>>>> so who are the others :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:27:39 PDT From: "Mats Hammerman" Subject: Re: Punishment of Luxury (request for info) Me too ! Mats >I don't know who you're referring to but I was a big fan of theirs. Anyone >got any punilux rarities, I'd love to discuss >some swaps ;-) > > Uri > > > > > > >At least one person on this list was a big Punilux fan when they were > >active, but I can't remember who. Anyway, the CDs came out on Overground, > >which I'm told has recently gone out of business, tragically enough. The > >track listings -- > > > >Gigantic Days (OVER 75CD, from 1998) > >Plants and Insects > >Fascicult Barbaraclique > >Empire of Idiots > >No Admittance > >Destiny > >Death and Boogie > >Auschwitz > >Love Decayed > >All Change > >The Dragon > >Feels Like Dancing Wartime > >Eyes > >Motivator > >Welcome > >The Prisoner > >Rock Out the Box > > > >Revolution By Numbers (OVER 66CD, from 1997) > >Blood Money > >Damaging Man > >Why Don't You? > >Snowqueen > >You Eat Too Much > >Revolution by Numbers > >My Wife's in Love with a Polar Bear > >Double Agent > >Hold Me (Never Mold Me) > >Funghi > >Bird and the Elephant > >Revelations > >Golden Corsets > >Tria Dance > >Alien Contact > >Party Goblins > > > >The liner notes for Gigantic Days seem to give no hint of any previous > >release ... the Revolution By Numbers tracks are apparently previously > >unreleased, as "the record company decided to remove the band from its >books > >soon after hearing the songs." I've gotten the impression somewhere that >at > >least one other CD exists, but I know no details & could certainly be >wrong. > > > >Dan > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:32:23 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: extra copy of "154" for sale Just out of curiosity, what tracks does the Jap reissue have? >From: Rob Gronotte >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: extra copy of "154" for sale >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:38:16 -0400 (EDT) > >Anyone want to buy a CD of Wire's "154" album? It's the 1989 Restless >Retro US reissue with 4 bonus tracks. I got the Japanese issue with tons >more bonus tracks, so I don't need this one. Not really sure how much to >chareg, feel free to make me an offer. > >Rob > >Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> >http://www.patriot.net/users/rob > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:41:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Gronotte Subject: Re: extra copy of "154" for sale It has a whole lot of demo tracks. The Japanese reissues of the first 3 Wire albums together have all the demos found on the British demos collection ("Behind The Curtain"? something like that), along with other demos and rare tracks. Rob Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, stephen graziano wrote: > Just out of curiosity, what tracks does the Jap reissue have? > > > > >From: Rob Gronotte > >To: idealcopy@smoe.org > >Subject: extra copy of "154" for sale > >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:38:16 -0400 (EDT) > > > >Anyone want to buy a CD of Wire's "154" album? It's the 1989 Restless > >Retro US reissue with 4 bonus tracks. I got the Japanese issue with tons > >more bonus tracks, so I don't need this one. Not really sure how much to > >chareg, feel free to make me an offer. > > > >Rob > > > >Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> > >http://www.patriot.net/users/rob > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:56:48 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: extra copy of "154" for sale As best as I can discern... it is the complete Behind the Curtain tracks, spliced over the three issues... no additional demos or rare tracks... at least this is what I recall from comparing it a few years ago... so I could still be wrong due to an older age state (oh brother!). - -fernando At 08:41 AM 6/23/00, Rob Gronotte wrote: >It has a whole lot of demo tracks. The Japanese reissues of the first 3 >Wire albums together have all the demos found on the British demos >collection ("Behind The Curtain"? something like that), along with other >demos and rare tracks. > >Rob > >Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> >http://www.patriot.net/users/rob > >On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, stephen graziano wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity, what tracks does the Jap reissue have? > > > > > > > > >From: Rob Gronotte > > >To: idealcopy@smoe.org > > >Subject: extra copy of "154" for sale > > >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:38:16 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > >Anyone want to buy a CD of Wire's "154" album? It's the 1989 Restless > > >Retro US reissue with 4 bonus tracks. I got the Japanese issue with tons > > >more bonus tracks, so I don't need this one. Not really sure how much to > > >chareg, feel free to make me an offer. > > > > > >Rob > > > > > >Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> > > >http://www.patriot.net/users/rob > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:00:48 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: great live performances DOH! you had to ask haha Well, from my personal concert history, I remember these live performances off the top of my head to have been the best. I'm putting Wire in the mix (this is a Wire list, after all), even though their set was too short--they were still great. Plus, U2, PIL, Cocteau Twins, The Cars... not in that particular order. Yes, they are all (w/exception of Wire) from years past. And I'm sure I'll get a scolding about how "mainstream" they all are. I'm bracing myself! I am intending to broaden the spectrum within the next few years...I promise! Katherine p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few of those! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: Re[2]: great live albums She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but there is so much to choose from!). K >>>>> so who are the others :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:01:25 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: extra copy of "154" for sale i thought they just did a 3-way split of "behind the curtain" across the 3 cd's. were there other tracks too? i think for that you need the "not about to die" bootleg (and hey , i just saw there's another copy on ebay. currently at a mere 40 of your american dollars. pricey but v.desirable......) p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: extra copy of "154" for sale Author: MIME:rob@patriot.net at INTERNET Date: 23/06/2000 17:50 It has a whole lot of demo tracks. The Japanese reissues of the first 3 Wire albums together have all the demos found on the British demos collection ("Behind The Curtain"? something like that), along with other demos and rare tracks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:15:44 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: great live performances >>p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few of >>those! Yeah! I saw Papa M at the Garage (May, I think) and they sucked. The majority of the crowd loved it but it turned my stomach so much I had to walk out (and I've never done that before!) Chris. ps "Hello Alison" "Katherine Pouliot" on 23/06/2000 17:00:48 To: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com, idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: great live performances DOH! you had to ask haha Well, from my personal concert history, I remember these live performances off the top of my head to have been the best. I'm putting Wire in the mix (this is a Wire list, after all), even though their set was too short--they were still great. Plus, U2, PIL, Cocteau Twins, The Cars... not in that particular order. Yes, they are all (w/exception of Wire) from years past. And I'm sure I'll get a scolding about how "mainstream" they all are. I'm bracing myself! I am intending to broaden the spectrum within the next few years...I promise! Katherine p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few of those! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: Re[2]: great live albums She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but there is so much to choose from!). K >>>>> so who are the others :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:19:43 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: great live performances Nothing wrong with 'mainstream' artists as long as they put on a good show! Three of the best shows I saw in the 80's were by mainstream, at least for the UK, artists. The Police were a tremendous live act, IMO. I saw Ultravox in 1983 and the way they pulled off their 'synth-heavy' act in the live venue was outstanding. Shriekback, circa 'Oil & Gold', were a site to see! Dave Allen is/was a fabulous bass player, and Barry Andrews worked the crowd like a snake-oil salesman. Lu Edmonds (PIL) played guitar at this show, and blew the audience away! Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Pouliot [mailto:kep99@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 11:01 AM To: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: great live performances DOH! you had to ask haha Well, from my personal concert history, I remember these live performances off the top of my head to have been the best. I'm putting Wire in the mix (this is a Wire list, after all), even though their set was too short--they were still great. Plus, U2, PIL, Cocteau Twins, The Cars... not in that particular order. Yes, they are all (w/exception of Wire) from years past. And I'm sure I'll get a scolding about how "mainstream" they all are. I'm bracing myself! I am intending to broaden the spectrum within the next few years...I promise! Katherine p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few of those! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: Re[2]: great live albums She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but there is so much to choose from!). K >>>>> so who are the others :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:31:40 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: RE: great live performances My top 3 would probably be (in no particular order). Psychic TV @ RFH 1999 (boy did they rock) The Chameleons @ Shepherds Bush Empire 2000 Depeche Mode @ Crystal Palace 1993 oh, and maybe Nick Cave @ Brixton Academy 1996 Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:44:25 +0100 From: "Steve Speight" Subject: RE: great live performances The great ones in no particular order The Jam (The Modern World) - 1st gig I went to The Buzzcocks (Another Music) The Clash (Give 'em Enough Rope) Magazine (Secondhand Daylight) Adam & The Ants (before they'd released anything) Cabaret Voltaire (The Voice of America) PIL (last UK Tour) David Bowie (Modern Love) Roger Waters (Radio Chaos) The Ruts (The Nashville several times) Siouxsie (Albert Hall for Nocturne) The Stranglers (The Old Trout, Windsor - 1st warm up gig with new singer) The Creatures (several gigs last year) Radiohead - in 2 weeks time - I'm guessing here 8~)) And the crap... A band that supported The Cure at Wembley. Can't remember their name, they had a girl singer in a leather Jacket who kept flashing her chest. Vile. Saxon - they supported Motorhead, who some friends dragged me along to see. Motorhead were hilarious. And the worst David Bowie - The Glass Spider Tour with all those poncy dancers - I felt embarrassed for him. Steve A woman navigator is a woman lost - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Pouliot Sent: 23 June 2000 17:01 To: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: great live performances DOH! you had to ask haha Well, from my personal concert history, I remember these live performances off the top of my head to have been the best. I'm putting Wire in the mix (this is a Wire list, after all), even though their set was too short--they were still great. Plus, U2, PIL, Cocteau Twins, The Cars... not in that particular order. Yes, they are all (w/exception of Wire) from years past. And I'm sure I'll get a scolding about how "mainstream" they all are. I'm bracing myself! I am intending to broaden the spectrum within the next few years...I promise! Katherine p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few of those! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: Re[2]: great live albums She is on my top 10 list of best live performers (I know, 10 is a lot, but there is so much to choose from!). K >>>>> so who are the others :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:44:13 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: great live performances Good picks. I'd be interesting in seeing The Chameleons, definitely. Was that a reunion show or something? Nick Cave came to Boston not too long ago - My uncle saw them and said they put on a phenomenal show. K - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: RE: great live performances > > > > My top 3 would probably be (in no particular order). > > Psychic TV @ RFH 1999 (boy did they rock) > > The Chameleons @ Shepherds Bush Empire 2000 > > Depeche Mode @ Crystal Palace 1993 > > oh, and maybe Nick Cave @ Brixton Academy 1996 > > Chris. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:12:56 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Re (un)Great live performances >>p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few of >>those! I saw The Fall at Camden Dingwalls a couple of years or so ago. I always liked the Fall,hadn't seen them for years, really looking forward to it. I've seen worst performances by bands whose members had all turned up, but this was probably the most frustrating. I really wanted it to be a good evening and before they came on their was a real buzz of expectancy. Memory hazy now, but I think it was the bass player missing from the start. No explaination,they just started playing. So they started badly and then faded. They managed to get some noise going for a while then the increasingly Magoo like SmithE for some reason tried to wrest the quitar away from the poor girl who up to then had been doing her best to supply the audience with somthing resembling what they'd payed for. There was a bust up which moved fractiously off stage and they didn't come back on. Anyone else there that night? Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:28:16 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #189 > Re: tons of extraneous emails [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey We call it "conversation" - and it's what happens to a mailing list beyond > a certain critical point when people get comfortable w/each other as > people, not just as Fans of {subject}. I call it "chit-chat": a private chat between a few list members who have already chased some good people off the list will probably continue to do so. Anyway, I really don't care myself, but I think the frustration some have expressed is understandable. I just scan the digest for the name Wire or one of the bandmates names. Never takes very long. Michael Flaherty P.S. New Bruce Gilbert release? No one cares anymore. Someone likes a movie? Let's overload everyone's disc quotas! (Some of us can't afford "top of the line" systems, you know?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:35:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Gronotte Subject: Re: Re[2]: extra copy of "154" for sale Pretty sure there are more extra tracks total than on the British thing. 154 has 24 tracks total, Chairs Missing 28, and Pink Flag 38! Rob Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > i thought they just did a 3-way split of "behind the curtain" across the 3 cd's. were there other tracks too? i think for that you need the "not about to die" bootleg (and hey , i just saw there's another copy on ebay. currently at a mere 40 of your american dollars. pricey but v.desirable......) p > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: extra copy of "154" for sale > Author: MIME:rob@patriot.net at INTERNET > Date: 23/06/2000 17:50 > > > It has a whole lot of demo tracks. The Japanese reissues of the first 3 Wire albums together have all the demos found on the British demos collection ("Behind The Curtain"? something like that), along with other demos and rare tracks. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:14:57 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: Re (un)Great live performances That's a good one. It makes you wonder why the band even played, if they didn't have all members there, they weren't prepared and didn't care how the show went. Wire doesn't necessarily cater to fans, but they did put on a good show. Bands that don't respect their fans in some way really piss me off. They need to work out their problems away from and before doing shows. K - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Gray To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 3:12 PM Subject: Re (un)Great live performances > >>p.s. - any votes for crappiest live performance?? I can think of a few > of > >>those! > > I saw The Fall at Camden Dingwalls a couple of years or so ago. > I always liked the Fall,hadn't seen them for years, really looking forward to it. > I've seen worst performances by bands whose members had all turned up, but this was probably the most frustrating. > I really wanted it to be a good evening and before they came on their was a real buzz of expectancy. > Memory hazy now, but I think it was the bass player missing from the start. > No explaination,they just started playing. > So they started badly and then faded. > They managed to get some noise going for a while then the increasingly Magoo like SmithE for some reason tried to wrest the quitar away from the poor girl who up to then had been doing her best to supply the audience with somthing resembling what they'd payed for. > There was a bust up which moved fractiously off stage and they didn't come back on. > Anyone else there that night? > > Alan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:21:21 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Re Great Live Performances I should have included the best Gigs in my last message. Tricky for me as unHornby like I dont make lists, or have ordered favorites. Ignoring Glastonbury Womad etc These spring to mind... I saw Siouxsie many times but on one occaision in Bournemouth the support was I think the Cure,and first up it should have been Nico, but She cancelled and, a last minute replacement,a new band no one had heard of before called The Gang of Four. The Clash with the Slits and another band I later knew but can't remember their name. I enjoyed a few Raincoats Aupairs plus others and I had a great time at the Morning star Beat the Blues outdoor all day thing,if anyone can remember the exact line up that day I'd be pleased to know again. The POP Group with the slits or part of em plus JCC and the Aupairs plus loads more but who else? Also there was an alldayer inside the Ally Pally a year or so before that, the line up included The Only ones The Leighton Buzzards some reggae bands plus Alex Harvey The Angelic Upstarts On the downside,Belt and Braces surely the worst named band of all time. I'ave mostly avoided large venues,when The Pogues first started up they used to play in a pub called the Pindar of Wakefield, Kings Cross each Wednesday,they were good nights, and I saw an early Shamen play in a pub in Finsbury park. Last year I finally got to see Patti Smith, (at the Forum) and She was great. I've seen most of the bands I've liked at least once with the exception of the Pistols and Joy Division. I was on my way to see Joy Division at the Moonlight, London transport delays and a less enthusiastic friend meant I agreed to divert elsewhere. Oh well... Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:03:37 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Stop Making Remixes (was: great live albums) > The new release of "Stop Making Sense" is much better and has more songs. > The version that was issued in '84 is remixed heavily and kills the energy. > Oh yes, please don't forget to buy the DVD! > Actually, according to what I've read, the new CD release of Stop Making Sense is the old '84 version plus the other songs from the film that weren't originally included. The newly included songs were mixed to sound the same as the original tracks, then the whole mess got a new digital transfer. Let me explain. The Talking Heads recorded three nights of live performance to digital multitrack, from which the best songs/performances were selected. They then created two different mixes - one for the film done by someone I can't remember, and one for the Cassette/CD/Vinyl which was created by Eric "E.T." Thorngren. (Not to mention that the CD/Cassette/Vinyl had different mixes between themselves - lengths of the songs, mostly - but Eric did all three) David Byrne mentioned in an interview I read somewhere that they had to hunt down Eric to remix the remaining songs in the movie for the special edition CD release. The only printed docs I could find on the web to back this up is from a press release: "Besides the movie, EMI records will also release a re-mastered version of the album "Stop Making Sense". Once again mixed by Eric "E.T." Thorngren, the 1999 edition will feature all songs from the original movie -he managed to mix the 86 minutes film down to 74 minutes of audio. It has not yet been determined wether the track order of the CD will follow the setlist of the movie. " To confuse matters further, the DVD does not apparently contain the original Dolby Stereo mix of the film. There are three new mixes - a brand new 5.1 film mix, a stereo reduction of the 5.1 film mix, and a "Studio" 5.1 mix done by... Eric "E.T." Thorngren. I will admit, I didn't actually buy the remastered Stop Making Sense CD, since I already had the original Vinyl, a copy of the original home video release recorded from Japanese LaserDisc to S-VHS (don't ask), and the new DVD. There's a remote possibility that the new CD may have been a stereo reduction from the newly generated "Studio" 5.1 sound mix, but I don't wanna know! (^_^). Besides - I always thought that the original 84 mixes were pretty cool - I miss the big slamming echo on the film version of "Psycho Killer" for instance. And, if you don't own the DVD - you should. (Assuming you like the Talking Heads, of course). There's a bonus segment that shows David Byrne interviewing himself that's absolutely priceless. By the way - the two extra songs on the DVD - "Cities" and "Big Business/I Zimbra" - are from a LaserDisc copy. There's a couple of distortions in the picture that are indicative of a LaserDisc source. (And, no, I won't tell you where they are...) > Does Laurie Anderson's "Home of the Brave" count as a live album? > Hmm. Maybe. If you consider IBTABA a live album, then "Home of the Brave" would definitely be a live album. The credits read: Recorded at Park Theatre, Union City, New Jersey Blue Rock Studio Skyline Studio So, obviously, there was some studio post dubbing. Plus they mention that "Language is a Virus" and "Smoke Rings" were produced by Nile Rodgers, which would seem to indicate that they weren't part of the original recording sessions. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:50:43 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: Re Great Live Performances Guess it just wasn't meant to be, the Joy Division show. The Pistols, you're lucky you didn't - you would have gotten pissed on or something! Better to see PIL. Johnny hasn't changed too much, just looks cleaner. Have you listened to Patti Smith's recent CD? They play a song off it "blue horizon" (I think) that is pretty good. I know I saw the Cure back at least 10 years, but I forget whether Siouxsie was touring with them. I can't remember if I saw Siouxsie or not - I guess they either weren't that great, or I definitely didn't see them. Ha! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Gray To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 4:21 PM Subject: Re Great Live Performances > I saw Siouxsie many times but on one occaision in Bournemouth the support was I think the Cure... > Last year I finally got to see Patti Smith, (at the Forum) and She was great. > I've seen most of the bands I've liked at least once with the exception of the Pistols and Joy Division... > I was on my way to see Joy Division at the Moonlight, London transport delays and a less enthusiastic friend meant I agreed to divert elsewhere. > Oh well... > > Alan > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:10:46 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: Re Great live performances Back in the day, I used to go to tons of live shows and some have gotten quite foggy in my memory, but here are some gigs that I still quickly remember as great: My Bloody Valentine, Charlottesville, VA 1992 Birthday Party, Danceteria, NYC 1984 Television, Bottom Line, NYC 1979 Bryan Ferry, Bottom Line NYC 1978 Tubes/Be Bop Deluxe , Beacon Theatre, NYC 1977 Butthole Surfers, Christmas (the band, not the holiday), Ritz, NYC 1986 Bad Brains, CBGB, NYC 1982 Buzzcock, Gang of Four, Irving Plaza, NYC 1979 Certain General, Mission of Burma, CBGB, NYC 1983 Heartbreakers, Max's ansas City, NYC 1977 - 80 (half a dozen times) - blurriest band around Be Bop Deluxe, City Boy, Palladium, NYC 1979 (Drastic Plastic Tour) Pyschic TV, Pyramid Club, NYC 1985(?) Certain General, REM , 9:30 Club, Washington DC, 1983 Television, Richmond, VA 1991 Public Image Ltd, Palladium 1981 (Metal Box tour) B52's, Mudd Club 1979 (before the 1st album) Sun Ra, Bottom Line, NYC 1989 It's so hard to be objective with these kinds of lists, but these were definately gigs that still live vividly in my brain. I'm sure if I sat and thought about it I could come up with dozens more. I saw hundreds of concerts in my younger days, and most of the time I had a good time. And some bands, Ramones, Shirts, Clash, Nick Cave, Good Rats, Wire, Band of Outsiders, Patti Smith Group, Springsteen, Talking Heads, dB's, Bongos, Individuals, Outsets, Bush Tetras, Tongues on Fire, Elvis Costello several times each. They all are great. Live music is great. - Steve G. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #193 *******************************