From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #191 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, June 22 2000 Volume 03 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: New King Crimson ["giluz" ] Robyn Hitchcock, Grant-Lee Phillips Team Up To Push Net-Only LPs ["giluz"] Re: band names [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: Devoto/IBTABA [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Re[2]: Devoto/IBTABA ["giluz" ] Re[6]: Replay as it were? [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:10:01 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: New King Crimson > > I had the priveledge to speak with a certain Mr.Fripp about two months ago > as he stopped by a studio where I go to check out the Rosenbergs. He > explained that the new Crimson would sound like Exposure-one of his many > solo albums and yes it may sound anacronistic but I'm sure that musically > it will still smack the pants off of N'Stink and the Backdoor Boys and > Britney Spear me please anyday! > > Barry > > I don't have a problem with all the things it sounds like: It sounds like Exposure and Larks Tongues In Aspic and Red and Thrak all put together. These records are all masterpieces, but I couldn't help feeling that it lacks so much that those other records had. When I said it sounded anachronistic, I didn't mean that the new KC should be an electronic remixed "Fripp on Xtasy" KC. KC have their own sound but somehow it dosen't do it for me in the new CD. Their last album was released sometime in the mid 90's, but still sounded fresh, even though musically it's not that much different than the new one (or the old ones). Fripp is one of my heroes, and probably my favourite guitarist, and that's why my expectations were so high and the disapointment so great. Maybe they just need less discipline... giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:18:39 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: Robyn Hitchcock, Grant-Lee Phillips Team Up To Push Net-Only LPs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFDC33.3C258D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's an article off sonicnet - for anyone interested in Robyn Hitchcock (I know there are some on this list) giluz - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFDC33.3C258D40 Content-Type: text/plain; name="Hitchcock.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Hitchcock.txt" Robyn Hitchcock, Grant-Lee Phillips Team Up To Push Net-Only LPs Singer/songwriters touring West Coast in support of latest releases.=20 Contributing Editor Jenny Slater reports:=20 Fans who don't purchase a CD from singer/songwriters Robyn Hitchcock and = Grant-Lee Phillips during the joint West Coast tour will have to go = online if they want one. The veterans of major-label contracts released their most recent albums = exclusively on the Internet. Phillips, formerly of the band Grant Lee = Buffalo, is offering his Ladies' Love Oracle at = www.grantleephillips.com; Hitchcock's A Star for Bram is available at = www.robynhitchcock.com.=20 Other than their mutual embrace of the Internet, it might seem the two = have little in common. The quirky Hitchcock is known for his = quasi-psychedelic sounds and obscurely disturbing lyrics, while Phillips = has developed a fanbase with lush indie-rock ballads. "We first met just when Grant Lee Buffalo was beginning to tour, in the = early '90s," Phillips said. "Over the years he's repeatedly come to Los = Angeles, and we've been able to improvise together onstage many times." The two grew close while playing together at the now-famous Friday = cabaret nights at the Largo in Los Angeles, hosted by piano virtuoso Jon = Brion. "One thing led to another," Phillips said, "as it sometimes does. But = this is not an elaborate tour =97 we called to see about getting a piano = for each show, and I called a few places, and Robyn called a few = places." Promise Of Spontaneity The outing kicks off Tuesday (June 20) at the Troubadour in Los Angeles. = Phillips' background in improv comedy may serve him well during shows = with Hitchcock, whose fans turn out to hear his bizarre between-song = stories as much as his frequent "customization" of lyrics as he goes = along. "He's often more likely to sing a song that he made up in his car on the = way to the show," said Phillips, who nixed one of Hitchcock's = promotional ideas: customized traffic cones. "He thought he could autograph them, and that he'd become known as the = Prince of Cones. He felt really strongly about it." Hitchcock also feels strongly about no longer being on a major label. He = recently ended a relationship with Warner Bros. "There were just so many different people for whom I needed to be making = money," Hitchcock said. "[Leaving Warner Bros.] coincided, for me, with = labels being increasingly accountancy-driven. I mean, labels have never = been charities. They've always talked about talent and artists and all = that crap, but now they are basically, entirely, there to make money. = It's now become impossible =97 well, maybe 'pointless' is a better word = =97 for someone like me to be on a major label. "It's not as though people like me don't want to sell any records," he = continued, "it's just that it's not primarily why we're in the = business." He's not worried about a dwindling audience, now that Warner Bros. isn't = there to promote his releases. "There are people who've followed my adventures for so long that they = want to find out what the next one's going to be. ... I have what Nick = Lowe described as a small but perfectly formed audience." Hardcore Fans Will Want 'The Real Thing' Hitchcock is similarly unconcerned about people trading MP3s of his = material online, despite all the controversy over Napster and other = file-sharing software. "People who like my stuff probably want to have it, the real thing, = anyway, because it's a small, personal relic they can keep," he said. = "That applies to the hardcore fans of anybody, and my fans tend to be = sort of hardcore, or not at all." Phillips is also untroubled by the lack of major-label commitment. His = previous band was dropped by Slash/Reprise last year, and his recent = solo effort was released on his label, Magnetic Field Recordings. Though he hasn't ruled out a relationship with a larger label, he's = found the transition from the majors to the minors to be surprisingly = easy. "A lot of people came out of the woodwork to help me," Phillips said. = "Even people at the mega-stores said, yeah, I like what you do, I'll = help get this out. There are still plenty of people in the music = industry who are there for the right reasons." After Tuesday's show, the duo will hit San Francisco's Great American = Music Hall on Wednesday; Sweetwater in Mill Valley, Calif., on Thursday; = Alladin in Portland, Ore., on Friday; and the Crocodile Cafe in Seattle = on Saturday.=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFDC33.3C258D40-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 9:55:47 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: band names PS Has there ever been a qreat band with a crappy name? >>> uk decay / furyo ? same guys saddled themselves with 2 crap names in succession.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:10:00 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Devoto/IBTABA > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:58:08 -0500 (CDT) > To: Grand Mute Proof > Subject: Re: Devoto/IBTABA > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >> Well, I saw Wire six times in the '80s and only once did they use a synth >>>>> by the time they got to the manscape tour (is that wire or wir? sort of grey area...) there were a lot of keyboards played live. mostly by bruce and some from graham. my memory of astoria 88 is that graham played keys on maybe 2 or 3 songs. question ; has colin ever played keyboards on stage? p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:33:30 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Devoto/IBTABA > question ; has colin ever played keyboards on stage? p > I think he did with Minimal Compact in 86, but I can't be sure about it. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:27:57 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[6]: Replay as it were? I'm quite fond of the live take of Straighten Out. When I finally heard the original studio version a year or so later, I was pretty disappointed ... too much reliance on sax (not that I have any problem with saxes -- they're probably the one type of horn I can say that about, actually), cutting down considerably on the ominousness (ominosity?). Come to think of it, I still don't think I've heard any other version of Go Buddy Go ... unless it's on that thrown-together Stranglers "IV" thing we got over here that combined about half of The Raven with various singles & such, which is how I wound up hearing the original versions of Straighten Out (which must've been on the included 7") & 5 Minutes. Dan >>>> in the uk go buddy go/peaches was a single followed by something better change / straighten out , both were big hits so they were widely available here. saw some film recently of the stranglers with their new singer playing the albert hall with an orchestra. pure karaoke.p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #191 *******************************