From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #190 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, June 22 2000 Volume 03 : Number 190 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[4]: Replay as it were? [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Devoto/IBTABA ["giluz" ] Re[2]: Devoto/IBTABA [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Re[2]: Devoto/IBTABA ["giluz" ] Re[4]: Devoto/IBTABA [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: idealcopy-digest V3 #188 ["webmaster" ] Re: Manicured Noise ["Laurel G" ] Wire live recordings (was: Devoto/IBTABA) [Nik ] Re: Rinocerose [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: True Love ["stephen graziano" ] [none] [Alistair Tear ] Re: Rinocerose [Mark Short ] Re[2]: Rinocerose [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: great live albums [MackDaddyD ] Re: XTC and Magazine (again) ["Stephen Jackson" ] band names [Alan Gray ] band names ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: IBTABA vs. live albums [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: Devoto/IBTABA [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: Idiot's guide to the Byrds [Carl Archer ] RE: True Love ["giluz" ] Re: great live albums ["tube disaster" ] RE: great live albums ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: great live albums [fernando ] Re: tons of extraneous emails [BillyD ] Re: New King Crimson [Barry Braxton ] Re: great live albums ["lucifersam" ] New King Crimson vs. the world [fernando ] Re: tons of extraneous emails ["lucifersam" ] It's Alive....As Always [MackDaddyD ] Re: It's Alive....As Always ["lucifersam" ] Re: band names [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Devoto/IBTABA [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Devoto/IBTABA [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: Devoto/IBTABA [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Devoto/IBTABA [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Devoto/IBTABA [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: Re[4]: Replay as it were? ["tube disaster" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:35:30 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: Replay as it were? Good game! ....I was at the Filthy Lucre gig too, and last year two gigs I was at came out - the Birthday Party live album (mostly at the Venue - I was at that one) and the Joy Division Preston Warehouse gig - my one and only JD gig. Recorded the night before D&E.... Add to that list 'Tempo House' from the Fall's Perverted by Language, recorded at the Hacienda in Manchester. Mark >>>>> i just saw jd once as well , guy fawkes night 79 , supporting buzzcocks on the "tension" tour at hemel hempstead pavilion. pretty good line up , that. really magical gig too. i can still remember being chased down h/h high street with a big gang of skinheads in hot pursuit , these ravers don't realise how easy they've got it these days....... which reminds me , there's a new (yet another) bcocks live cd out , a double with one gig off the love bites tour (rainbow?) and one off the tension tour (manchester appollo i think). problem with buzzcocks live cd's is that they always kept a big chunk of early songs in and thus the duplication is enormous. by the time i saw the "tension" tour they'd ditched all the love bites stuff except 2 tracks (ever fallen/nothing left) but still did half the first album. so maybe this new cd could be interesting to hear stuff that never got played live much. anyone got it yet? p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:16:57 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Devoto/IBTABA > > The final object doesn't sound anything like Wire's > live output during that period though, which I think > they are gald of (they are not fans of their '80s/'90s > live material). What did they sound like live back then? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:36:20 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Devoto/IBTABA try the live tracks tacked on the end of ideal copy/bell is a cup , or the buzz buzz buzz single as a good idea.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Devoto/IBTABA Author: MIME:giluz@nettalk.com at INTERNET Date: 21/06/2000 13:23 > > The final object doesn't sound anything like Wire's > live output during that period though, which I think > they are gald of (they are not fans of their '80s/'90s > live material). What did they sound like live back then? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:48:16 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Devoto/IBTABA Oh, right. What is the buzz buzz buzz single? -does it appear on any CD bonus tracks? > > try the live tracks tacked on the end of ideal copy/bell is a cup > , or the buzz buzz buzz single as a good idea.p > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:00:08 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: Devoto/IBTABA no , they did the multiple-format thing on the eardrum buzz single in the uk. 2 different 12" singles , one with eb/the offer/its a boy and another with 3 live tracks (eb/ahead/kidney bingos). some of the few tracks that never made it to cd , i guess pretty rare now.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Re[2]: Devoto/IBTABA Author: MIME:giluz@nettalk.com at INTERNET Date: 21/06/2000 13:53 Oh, right. What is the buzz buzz buzz single? -does it appear on any CD bonus tracks? > > try the live tracks tacked on the end of ideal copy/bell is a cup > , or the buzz buzz buzz single as a good idea.p > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:05:52 -0500 From: "webmaster" Subject: RE: idealcopy-digest V3 #188 > Hmmm, let me think. A movie chronicling a nerdy music obsessed guy's > life - who can't keep a relationship going. Wow, just what a young > woman like me wants to see. I would offer to any single woman that High Fidelity will probably give you more insight into how "us guys" operate than at least dozen or so dates and a couple relationships with the Real Thing. And think what that will save you! Definately worth six bucks. >> (unless the upcoming Bullwinkle one counts ...) I am so there...... c shop@wiremailorder.com http://wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:30:26 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: Manicured Noise >I noticed that Noon had claimed to be in MN while I was searching for >information about the band last time they cropped up - If he was in the >band he's not on the records. So unless Noon is Steve Walsh under a >pseudonym he must have been in the band before they recorded. Or after. Or >he's telling porkies. > >And no, I will not mention Leicester City again in this context ;-) >>Mark Here I am - recovered and hopefully forgiven Mark really covered it pretty well - I haven't much to add Jeff Noon played guitar with MN very early on - after him was Tim, last name escapes me - then Steve Walsh - Gavin was the vocalist before Steve Walsh - he (Gavin) did do some recording with them I believe, but nothing that got released - as far as I know, there were no peel sessions And no, I will not mention Stockport, or Orient, again in this context either Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:24:38 +0100 From: Nik Subject: Wire live recordings (was: Devoto/IBTABA) In message , paul.rabjohn@ssab.com writes >no , they did the multiple-format thing on the eardrum buzz single in the uk. 2 >different 12" singles , one with eb/the offer/its a boy and another with 3 live >tracks (eb/ahead/kidney bingos). some of the few tracks that never made it to cd >, i guess pretty rare now.p The order number on the one I own is L12 Mute 87 (with eb/ahead/kidney bingos on it), but it does say 'limited edition' on the cover, so you might have problems finding it these days. I'd make you a sound file of it, but I haven't owned a record player in ages, and none of my friends do. You can find more live recordings on a 12" single that appeared a year earlier (no. 12 Mute 67), featuring Kidney Bingos, Over Theirs (live), Drill (live) and Pieta-La Piccola. Nik - new to the list, in lieu of introduction > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Devoto/IBTABA >Author: MIME:giluz@nettalk.com at INTERNET >Date: 21/06/2000 13:53 > > >Oh, right. What is the buzz buzz buzz single? -does it appear on any CD bonus >tracks? > >> >> try the live tracks tacked on the end of ideal copy/bell is a cup > , or the >buzz buzz buzz single as a good idea.p >> > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:52:57 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Rinocerose Last year the Guardian gave out a Glastonbury CD and I liked the track Rinocerose. It said on the sleeve it was from the album "installation sonore" Has anyone heard this 'album'/cd? Is this track typical of the album? Is the album any good? I ask as I've been playing the earlier CD "Retrospective" and it doesn't move allong like the Guardian offering. I quite like Retrospective but it could I think be said to fall between deux stools, and also vere towards euro-rock. I hope this request for info is not too euro-extraneous. Alan PS No french accent on the OCand E as I don't know where they are on the keyboard. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:23:09 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Rinocerose i also got that guardian cd and rhinocerose was by far the best track (mind you , with competition like the stereophonics....). i got the inst/sonore cd and its ok but i think the track on the guardian cd is by far the best track. worth the £3 i paid for it but i wouldn't bust a gut for it at full price. as you say , it falls between stools with a different "wacky" element introduced on different tracks. i like the name though and the cover's good (picture of concorde). i keep thinking of the perfect name for my band. as this lot have grabbed one big mammal that still leaves "hippopotamous" or (even better) "yak". my other idea was "leroy mohammed and the droitwich rap posse" (having seen roni size and talvin singh romp off with the mercury music prize it got me thinking.....) sadly that so called mate of mine ali g nicked my ideas and pissed off to channel 4 , bastard. but i will be back....... p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Rinocerose Author: MIME:alan.gray@twa-group.com at INTERNET Date: 21/06/2000 16:02 Last year the Guardian gave out a Glastonbury CD and I liked the track Rinocerose. It said on the sleeve it was from the album "installation sonore" Has anyone heard this 'album'/cd? Is this track typical of the album? Is the album any good? I ask as I've been playing the earlier CD "Retrospective" and it doesn't move allong like the Guardian offering. I quite like Retrospective but it could I think be said to fall between deux stools, and also vere towards euro-rock. I hope this request for info is not too euro-extraneous. Alan PS No french accent on the OCand E as I don't know where they are on the keyboard. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:32:41 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: True Love He'll probably have to change his band's name as there is an American band on Teenbeat Records called True Love Always I've known the drummer from True Love for about 5 years. He just >started this band last year and their CD was just released last week. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:57:02 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [none] Stephen, He could change it to 'True love is a dog from hell' Charles Bukowski <> I've known the drummer from True Love for about 5 years. He just >started this band last year and their CD was just released last week. ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:16:03 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: Rinocerose paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > i also got that guardian cd and rhinocerose was by far the best track (mind you , with competition like the stereophonics....). i got the inst/sonore cd and its ok but i think the track on the guardian cd is by far the best track. worth the £3 i paid for it but i wouldn't bust a gut for it at full price. as you say , it falls between stools with a different "wacky" element introduced on different tracks. i like the name though and the cover's good (picture of concorde). > > i keep thinking of the perfect name for my band. as this lot have grabbed one big mammal that still leaves "hippopotamous" or (even better) "yak". my other idea was "leroy mohammed and the droitwich rap posse" How about "The Saline Drips"? (having seen roni size and talvin singh romp off with the mercury music prize it got me thinking.....) sadly that so called mate of mine ali g nicked my ideas and pissed off to channel 4 , bastard. but i will be back....... p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:35:32 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Rinocerose > > i keep thinking of the perfect name for my band. as this lot have grabbed one big mammal that still leaves "hippopotamous" or (even better) "yak". my other idea was "leroy mohammed and the droitwich rap posse" How about "The Saline Drips"? >>>>> so i could be , like , the chief drip. well its a thought.....p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:43:51 -0500 From: MackDaddyD Subject: Re: great live albums IBTABA - with all the previously mentioned qualifications Humble Pie / Rockin' the Filmore - I picked this 'un up a couple years back and was surprised how good the Framton/Marriot axis sounded today. Of course if I never hear Frampton Comes Alive again, that will be just fine, thank you. Byrds/Untitled - deserves another mention with special attention to Clarence White, IMHO a seriously neglected guitarist. his style w/ the b-bender tele is astounding to these ears Grateful Dead/Two From The Vault - (not too many vocal deadheads on this list ;) - SF concert from the 70s which exemplifies everything i like 'bout the dead Television / The Blow Up - more dual guitar wonderment charles - gonna bring up any live yes recordings? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:10:59 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: XTC and Magazine (again) >What do you mean he appeared in Eardrum Buzz? - Did he sing backing vocals >or what? Is it a gig you're talking about or the actual CD version? Sorry, I wasn't clear. He's in the video... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:07:56 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: band names >>i keep thinking of the perfect name for my band. as this lot have grabbed one big mammal that still leaves >>"hippopotamous" or (even better) "yak". Theres probably a french band called "Gudgeon Rouge" or "The Bottom Feeders" I 'd call a band "The High Flyers" I think I was unwittingly in the care of one of those once when I flew Dan Air, to judge from his laid back announcements over the tannoy and landing skills. Alan PS Has there ever been a qreat band with a crappy name? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:45:25 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: band names Back in the 80's a friend and I played around with a few synthesizers and sequencers and worked on a few tracks together. It was your typical Kraftwerk/New Order clone crap that is embarrassing to think about now... we called ourselves 'Research & Development' or 'R-n-D' for short. Pretentious enough for our tastes at that time. These days... if I were to be in a band, I'd call it 'Runs With Scissors', and my first album would be 'Doesn't Play Well With Others'... I don't know if our non-American listmembers will get the references, but I find it amusing. My current favorite band name: "Shitty Shitty Band Band". Ian Fleming is spinning in his grave! Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: Alan Gray [mailto:alan.gray@twa-group.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 12:08 PM To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org' Subject: band names >>i keep thinking of the perfect name for my band. as this lot have grabbed one big mammal that still leaves >>"hippopotamous" or (even better) "yak". Theres probably a french band called "Gudgeon Rouge" or "The Bottom Feeders" I 'd call a band "The High Flyers" I think I was unwittingly in the care of one of those once when I flew Dan Air, to judge from his laid back announcements over the tannoy and landing skills. Alan PS Has there ever been a qreat band with a crappy name? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:55:42 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: IBTABA vs. live albums > From: "giluz" > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:50:13 +0200 > To: "IdealCopy" > Subject: RE: XTC and Magazine (again) > And speaking about live albums - even though IBTABA contains overdubs and > therefore is not a strictly live album it may be the best one as far as I > can remember. Besides, Peter Gabriel's Live album contains overdubs and is a > very good example for a bad live album - no one would ever think of it as a > studio album (or a good one). > > giluz Hi Giluz, Last weekend I dragged out my IBTABA vinyl and gave it a few listens. It ranks up there in the quality and selection of tracks for that time period. I hadn't listened to it in so long, I forgot what a good album it was. I'm glad to hear others praising it. I may have a Peter Gabriel live album in there, but haven't listened to it in ages. I saw Peter Gabriel live in '88 and it was a classic show. On IBTABA, there are a couple songs I don't care for, but I skipped over them and cranked up the volume. (rawwwwkk oouutt!) The neighbors have been on vacation, yeah! The Boiling Boy and Over Theirs reminded me of the recent concert. My husband said the album sounded so good he thought it was a CD. (I guess the $40 we spent on a new needle is worth it!) Katherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:16:57 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: Devoto/IBTABA >> >> The final object doesn't sound anything like Wire's >> live output during that period though, which I think >> they are gald of (they are not fans of their '80s/'90s >> live material). > > What did they sound like live back then? > That's pretty weird - I would have though that their live stuff back then had more synth--all full of the stuff they left out this recent tour. I like both versions -IBTABA has a more studio like quality, with more "production" compared to the recent tour, which was just music leaned down - - strong but no frills. Great either way. Their renditions of those songs during the recent tour seem more appropriate for them now. Interesting though, how they don't like their live stuff from that time period. Ever the perfectionists? - -- Katherine Pouliot kep99@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:38:33 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: Idiot's guide to the Byrds When Gene Clark passed I played in a tribute band covering his material. It was really fun because almost nobody in the band knew each other. At the time I had no idea who Gene Clark was, but I had a bass and could play so they took me. Very good stuff. - -Carl > From: MarkBursa@aol.com > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:46:03 EDT > To: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com, idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Idiot's guide to the Byrds > > Gene Clark's songs are the best at this > point but some are dispatched to B-sides or not released for years. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:59:43 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: True Love Actually, I used to like E Costello and J Jackson, but this kinda music doesn't interest me today. Hearing old EC or JJ albums could be fine by me, but new stuff by them or influenced by them just reminds me how long my day was. giluz > At least you gave it that much. They're influenced by Cheap Trick, Elvis > Costello, Big Star, Joe Jackson, etc. If that's not your bag, it's > understood. > > Carl > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:50:23 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: great live albums >Grateful Dead/Two From The Vault - (not too many vocal deadheads on this list ;) A fact that's almost enough to make me believe in a merciful God ... >charles - gonna bring up any live yes recordings? Styx probably released some real corkers, too. Speaking of whom, their current incarnation played here a couple of weeks ago, but I forgot to go. Besides, the machine gun Ray sold me was in the shop for repairs ... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:09:20 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: great live albums >Grateful Dead/Two From The Vault - (not too many vocal deadheads on this list ;) A fact that's almost enough to make me believe in a merciful God ... >charles - gonna bring up any live yes recordings? Styx probably released some real corkers, too. Speaking of whom, their current incarnation played here a couple of weeks ago, but I forgot to go. Besides, the machine gun Ray sold me was in the shop for repairs ... Now wait just a cotton-pickin' minute! That rifle I sold you was a perfectly legal semi-automatic firearm. If you went and broke it trying to convert it to an illegal, fully-automatic weapon, you got what you deserved! Plus I thought that I warned you, Styx are from the south-side of Chicago, and they're likely to be packing more heat than you've got! Ray Ciscon "Doing my best since 1992 to keep up the myth that all US citizens are gun-toting, blood-thirsty maniacs." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:23:49 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: great live albums I am not sure if people on the list are into the Tindersticks, but I think that they have released some of the best live recordings, since IBTABA... that goes for the Live in Armsterdam and Bloomsbury. There have been tons of chameleons stuff as well, but the one that I played repeatedly is the rehearsal CD. cheers! - -fernando At 08:43 AM 6/21/00, you wrote: >IBTABA - with all the previously mentioned qualifications >Humble Pie / Rockin' the Filmore - I picked this 'un up a couple years >back and was surprised how good the Framton/Marriot axis sounded >today. Of course if I never hear Frampton Comes Alive again, that will be >just fine, thank you. >Byrds/Untitled - deserves another mention with special attention to >Clarence White, IMHO a seriously neglected guitarist. his style w/ the >b-bender tele is astounding to these ears >Grateful Dead/Two From The Vault - (not too many vocal deadheads on this >list ;) - SF concert from the 70s which exemplifies everything i like >'bout the dead >Television / The Blow Up - more dual guitar wonderment > >charles - gonna bring up any live yes recordings? > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: BillyD Subject: Re: tons of extraneous emails Maybe cause people keep posting the list... - --- Garrett Holway wrote: > Hello idealcopy. Somehow I keep getting tons of > emails (10-20 per day) > that are addressed to idealcopy. Please look into > this and let me know why > this is occuring. Thank you. > > > >From: Carl Archer > >To: > >Subject: True Love > >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:11:06 -0400 > > > >Hi All. Please check out > http://www.trueloverocks.com and check out the > >songs. I've known the drummer from True Love for > about 5 years. He just > >started this band last year and their CD was just > released last week. I am > >absofuckinglutely blown away by this stuff, and > want feedback from anybody > >who checks it out. Just e-mail me, not the whole > list, with your opinions. > >I play in two bands currently, so I hope you > understand that plugging > >somebody else's band is something not every > musician would do when they > >need > >to advertise themselves. > > > >Thanks, > >Carl > >notcarl@home.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:29:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Braxton Subject: Re: New King Crimson I had the priveledge to speak with a certain Mr.Fripp about two months ago as he stopped by a studio where I go to check out the Rosenbergs. He explained that the new Crimson would sound like Exposure-one of his many solo albums and yes it may sound anacronistic but I'm sure that musically it will still smack the pants off of N'Stink and the Backdoor Boys and Britney Spear me please anyday! Barry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:45:08 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: great live albums Of course you meant to add "It's Alive" by the Ramones!!!!!!Kick Ass! - ----- Original Message ----- From: MackDaddyD To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 4:43 PM Subject: Re: great live albums > IBTABA - with all the previously mentioned qualifications > Humble Pie / Rockin' the Filmore - I picked this 'un up a couple years back and was surprised how good the Framton/Marriot axis sounded today. Of course if I never hear Frampton Comes Alive again, that will be just fine, thank you. > Byrds/Untitled - deserves another mention with special attention to Clarence White, IMHO a seriously neglected guitarist. his style w/ the b-bender tele is astounding to these ears > Grateful Dead/Two From The Vault - (not too many vocal deadheads on this list ;) - SF concert from the 70s which exemplifies everything i like 'bout the dead > Television / The Blow Up - more dual guitar wonderment > > charles - gonna bring up any live yes recordings? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:53:06 -0700 From: fernando Subject: New King Crimson vs. the world At 01:29 PM 6/21/00, Barry Braxton wrote: >I had the priveledge to speak with a certain Mr.Fripp about two months ago >as he stopped by a studio where I go to check out the Rosenbergs. He >explained that the new Crimson would sound like Exposure-one of his many >solo albums and yes it may sound anacronistic but I'm sure that musically >it will still smack the pants off of N'Stink and the Backdoor Boys and >Britney Spear me please anyday! With all due respect... I am wondering what people think of the usual non-negative review of an album by saying that it will smack the pants of those or other bands... does it really mean anything? My favorite quote in usenet newsgroups is "well, [fill-in-title-of-crap-album-from-fave-band] is not that great, but it is better than 98% of everything else out there." Really, is that something to go on by and buy the album or make it listenable? I think that if it is even true, the remaining two percent (or your favorite number) provide enough material to max out most purchase budgets (in as far as taking a risk), and provide some more rewarding listening to a below par performance by a fave group... and besides, what King Crimson fan will debate wether to buy any of the fluff-dance-choreograph pop albums vs. the new one... perhaps it is more like KC vs. Tosca vs. Piano Magic vs. Catherine Wheel vs. etc. cheers! - -fernando ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:49:12 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: tons of extraneous emails A case for Scully and Mulder...E-mails to an E-Mail list....Hmmmmmmmm..Interestin' concept.... Kevin Keegan (going home...non shock) - ----- Original Message ----- From: BillyD To: Garrett Holway ; Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 8:01 PM Subject: Re: tons of extraneous emails > Maybe cause people keep posting the list... > > --- Garrett Holway wrote: > > Hello idealcopy. Somehow I keep getting tons of > > emails (10-20 per day) > > that are addressed to idealcopy. Please look into > > this and let me know why > > this is occuring. Thank you. > > > > > > >From: Carl Archer > > >To: > > >Subject: True Love > > >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:11:06 -0400 > > > > > >Hi All. Please check out > > http://www.trueloverocks.com and check out the > > >songs. I've known the drummer from True Love for > > about 5 years. He just > > >started this band last year and their CD was just > > released last week. I am > > >absofuckinglutely blown away by this stuff, and > > want feedback from anybody > > >who checks it out. Just e-mail me, not the whole > > list, with your opinions. > > >I play in two bands currently, so I hope you > > understand that plugging > > >somebody else's band is something not every > > musician would do when they > > >need > > >to advertise themselves. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Carl > > >notcarl@home.com > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > ===== > . ./\/\/\. > [ . . ] > /\ > -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. > http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 > http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:07:13 -0500 From: MackDaddyD Subject: It's Alive....As Always lucifersam wrote: > Of course you meant to add "It's Alive" by the Ramones!!!!!!Kick Ass! of course (someone else already chimed in for that one) listening to an MP3 of Rapoon (first exposure) best case for live music I have heard in a while __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:08:00 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: It's Alive....As Always I like to keep on top of things you know! ;-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: MackDaddyD To: lucifersam Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 10:07 PM Subject: It's Alive....As Always > > > lucifersam wrote: > > > Of course you meant to add "It's Alive" by the Ramones!!!!!!Kick Ass! > > of course > (someone else already chimed in for that one) > > listening to an MP3 of Rapoon (first exposure) > best case for live music I have heard in a while > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:40:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: band names On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Alan Gray wrote: > PS Has there ever been a qreat band with a crappy name? The Beatles. Off the top of my head I can't think of them, but I know there are bands with names so bad I don't even want to hear them - often even after people I know recommend them... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::Why should we value the work ethic ::when employers care so little about the pay ethic? __Barbara Ehrenreich__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:04:52 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Devoto/IBTABA Katherine, 80s Wire was not dissimilar to ''00s Wire - they played with guitars, and until they became Wir hardly used any synth at all. They just didn't play anything pre-'85. IBTABA is not really a live album. they basically stripped down live multitracks and rerecorded the whole thing. Very little of what's on there is actually live - some of it is pure studio. Mark << That's pretty weird - I would have though that their live stuff back then had more synth--all full of the stuff they left out this recent tour. I like both versions -IBTABA has a more studio like quality, with more "production" compared to the recent tour, which was just music leaned down - strong but no frills. Great either way. Their renditions of those songs during the recent tour seem more appropriate for them now. Interesting though, how they don't like their live stuff from that time period. Ever the perfectionists? >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:14:00 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: Devoto/IBTABA It's still great. Their voices seem manipulated sometimes, along with some other instrumental sounds that I wouldn't have thought would come from a guitar. I'd be surprised if all the 80's stuff was that "basic" aside from the Wir stuff. K > From: MarkBursa@aol.com > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:04:52 EDT > To: kep99@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Devoto/IBTABA > > Katherine, > > 80s Wire was not dissimilar to ''00s Wire - they played with guitars, and > until they became Wir hardly used any synth at all. They just didn't play > anything pre-'85. IBTABA is not really a live album. they basically stripped > down live multitracks and rerecorded the whole thing. Very little of what's > on there is actually live - some of it is pure studio. > > Mark > > << That's pretty weird - I would have though that their live stuff back then > had more synth--all full of the stuff they left out this recent tour. I > like both versions -IBTABA has a more studio like quality, with more > "production" compared to the recent tour, which was just music leaned down > - strong but no frills. Great either way. Their renditions of those songs > during the recent tour seem more appropriate for them now. Interesting > though, how they don't like their live stuff from that time period. Ever > the perfectionists? >> > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:23:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Devoto/IBTABA Katherine, << It's still great. Their voices seem manipulated sometimes, along with some other instrumental sounds that I wouldn't have thought would come from a guitar. I'd be surprised if all the 80's stuff was that "basic" aside from the Wir stuff. >> Well, I saw Wire six times in the '80s and only once did they use a synth (on Finest Drops, with Graham on synth and vocals, Colin on Bass). that was in 1988, the last time I saw them as a four-piece (until this year). It was 2 guitars, bass, drums all the way apart from that. Then in the studio everything was deconstructed - Kevin Eden's book explains how. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:58:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Devoto/IBTABA On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Well, I saw Wire six times in the '80s and only once did they use a synth (on > Finest Drops, with Graham on synth and vocals, Colin on Bass). that was in > 1988, the last time I saw them as a four-piece (until this year). It was 2 > guitars, bass, drums all the way apart from that. Then in the studio > everything was deconstructed - Kevin Eden's book explains how. Never saw Wire live until a month ago - but I recall seeing a photo of Graham w/a teensy keyboard (a Casio SK-1? I know they used the distinctive "voice" setting of that fun cheapy on a version of "German Shepherds"). Also, I think somewhere in Eden there's a reference to the band sampling the crowd noise and working it into a song...or am I hallucinating again? (Time to reread Eden, I guess...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music:: __Paula Carino__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:51:27 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: Devoto/IBTABA > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:58:08 -0500 (CDT) > To: Grand Mute Proof > Subject: Re: Devoto/IBTABA > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >> Well, I saw Wire six times in the '80s and only once did they use a synth (on >> Finest Drops, with Graham on synth and vocals, Colin on Bass). that was in >> 1988, the last time I saw them as a four-piece (until this year). It was 2 >> guitars, bass, drums all the way apart from that. Then in the studio >> everything was deconstructed - Kevin Eden's book explains how. > > Never saw Wire live until a month ago - but I recall seeing a photo of > Graham w/a teensy keyboard (a Casio SK-1? I know they used the distinctive > "voice" setting of that fun cheapy on a version of "German Shepherds"). > Also, I think somewhere in Eden there's a reference to the band sampling > the crowd noise and working it into a song...or am I hallucinating again? > (Time to reread Eden, I guess...) Yes, thank you! There are more than just the basics, even if it's only a small bit. You can tell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:34:47 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[4]: Replay as it were? I'm quite fond of the live take of Straighten Out. When I finally heard the original studio version a year or so later, I was pretty disappointed ... too much reliance on sax (not that I have any problem with saxes -- they're probably the one type of horn I can say that about, actually), cutting down considerably on the ominousness (ominosity?). Come to think of it, I still don't think I've heard any other version of Go Buddy Go ... unless it's on that thrown-together Stranglers "IV" thing we got over here that combined about half of The Raven with various singles & such, which is how I wound up hearing the original versions of Straighten Out (which must've been on the included 7") & 5 Minutes. Dan >>>>> i recall go buddy go/5 minutes as being excellent but a lot of the rest of x-cert as not so clever. but it must be 10 years since i heard it so the memory is a little hazy.p Offhand ... hmmm ... The Stranglers' Live X Cert is a favorite. Can't think of any others, offhand. Though Stiffs Live is a great live *comp*. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:08:51 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: so & slow/vien BTW, for those playing along at home, today, courtesy of eBay, the mailman brought me long-sought-after copies of the So & Slow It Grows & Vien CDs. Now all I have to do is dislodge one of today's used-store finds, Garbage's live Pink Radio bootleg (evidently, to paraphrase the Jazz Butcher, I've got a thing for Shirley Manson), from the stereo ... *3* performances of Only Happy When It Rains! (Was a pretty good day for such things ... also came home with Bentley Rhythm Ace's s/t, Atari Teenage Riot's 60-Second Wipeout, Mogwai's Come On Die Young [which I really don't expect to like, but the hype has left me curious], & ... uh ... The Best of Motorhead & the CD reissues of the Heartbreakers' LAMF Revisited [which I take it is a badly needed remaster of the vinyl, which I've already got ... this should be a little handier than my copy of the remastered cassette on, I think, Jungle], the Heartbreakers' Live at Max's KC '79 & the Flamin' Groovies' Flamingo [the one right before Teenage Head, the reissue of which I finally got around to listening to last night, & which is precisely what put me in the mood for old NY Dolls-ish type stuff]). Dan ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #190 *******************************