From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #188 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, June 20 2000 Volume 03 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- snub tv [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: snub tv ["tube disaster" ] Re: snub tv ["tube disaster" ] Super furry animals [Alan Gray ] Re: Super furry animals ["tube disaster" ] RE: Super furry animals ["giluz" ] Re: Super furry animals ["Stephen Jackson" ] steve albini interviewed by the onion ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: high (?) fidelity [Aaron Mandel ] Re: high (?) fidelity ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re: high (?) fidelity ["tube disaster" ] RIP--high (?) fidelity [Katherine Pouliot ] Re: RIP--high (?) fidelity ["tube disaster" ] Re[2]: snub tv [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Great....Super..furry animals [Alan Gray ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:09:49 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: snub tv amazed anybody had a bad word on this , i mean its the kind of show you really don't get any more. certainly not on mainstream uk tv. i never taped whole episodes but i've got loads of clips plus the 2 compilations. i really don't think they ran "silk skin paws" or he said , apart from the big wire feature they did (which is edited down on the first compilation) all i can remember is the 2 ac marias promos. but i could be wrong.p ps. duff purchase of last week. cheap copy of poly styrene "translucence" lp. what a turkey , curiousity got the better of me but it's dire. the version of x-ray spex's "age" is the low point (amongst many....) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:33:56 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: snub tv >amazed anybody had a bad word on this , i mean its the kind of show you really don't get any more. certainly not on mainstream uk tv. i never taped whole episodes but i've got loads of clips plus the 2 compilations. i really don't think they ran "silk skin paws" or he said , < It'd take ages (variation on a title from Colin's A-Z ... do I get points for that?) for me to dig up the tape in question, since I'm barely awake & will be returning to bed (my work week ended at midnight) after sending this, but I'm pretty sure both appeared on the episode. I know I'd never seen the Wire one before I came across it on that tape, which means it wasn't Ahead or Eardrum Buzz, & I know it wasn't Kidney Bingos. Almost certainly something from A Bell is a Cup. Fwiw, I'm positive it was one of a string of episodes with an *American* narrator who was never on-screen, as opposed to the first season's ... um ... can't remember their names ... Brenda somebody (Kelly?) & Peter somebody else, possibly. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:04:24 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: snub tv > > >>amazed anybody had a bad word on this , i mean its the kind of show you >really don't get any more. certainly not on mainstream uk tv. i never taped >whole episodes but i've got loads of clips plus the 2 compilations. i really >don't think they ran "silk skin paws" or he said , < > >It'd take ages (variation on a title from Colin's A-Z ... do I get points >for that?) for me to dig up the tape in question, since I'm barely awake & >will be returning to bed (my work week ended at midnight) after sending >this, but I'm pretty sure both appeared on the episode. I know I'd never >seen the Wire one before I came across it on that tape, which means it >wasn't Ahead or Eardrum Buzz, & I know it wasn't Kidney Bingos. Almost >certainly something from A Bell is a Cup. > >Fwiw, I'm positive it was one of a string of episodes with an *American* >narrator who was never on-screen, as opposed to the first season's ... um >... can't remember their names ... Brenda somebody (Kelly?) & Peter somebody >else, possibly. > >Dan Didn't take nearly as long as I thought. Turns out I was thinking of 2 episodes ... nice to know I'm not losing my mind, as I was correct about He Said & Silk Skin Paws. The rundowns -- (Earlier than the other one, as it was taped in Little Rock before I moved to New Orleans in 8/88, & Peter Fowler appears as host) -- Woodentops -- Everyday Living Prong -- In My Veins Head of David -- Bugged Gary Clail (looking like Frank Black) & Tackhead -- Reality Blurt -- The Body They Built to Fit the Car He Said -- Pulling 3 G's He Said -- Pump Close Lobsters -- Let's Make Some Plans (The second one is definitely a latterday [from a NightFlight standpoint] episode, with offscreen American announcer, taped after my move to Nawlins. The copyright at the end says '88, same as the other one, though there's an excellent chance it didn't air over here till '89.) Pop Will Eat Itself -- Def.con 1 Rapeman -- Hated Chinee Walter Salas-Humara (misspelled "HumaNa" on-screen) -- Carol ... he's the Silos guy & put on a pretty decent show here this spring, though in the video he could pass for the oldest brother in Fox's Party of Five Run-DMC -- Mary Mary Frank Tovey -- Bridge St Shuffle, the video that, along with Sam Hall, got me really interested in his solo stuff) Wire -- Silk Skin Paws Severed Heads -- Greater Reward Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:21:10 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Super furry animals What ho! It was a couple of weeks ago when, as I remember, someone was recommending the super furry animals CD. Mwng. I 've been playing it a lot this weekend, in the car, at work and even at home between matches. I like it so much that I just can't stop playing it. I know someone who could translate the words, but I don't know if I want to ask in case I find the lyrics aren't up to it. If anyone knows if the lyrics are up to the music then perhaps they could let me know. But I should point out that it doesn't matter, I don't care because its great and I'm gonna keep playing it anyway. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:24:58 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Super furry animals Whereas my search continues for the copy of its predecessor, Guerilla, that I bought about a month ago ... Must be lying in a damned parking lot somewhere. *sigh* I don't think this has ever happened before -- misplacing CDs is nothing new for me, of course, but usually they at least make it home first. Dan >What ho! >It was a couple of weeks ago when, as I remember, someone was recommending the super furry animals CD. >Mwng. >I 've been playing it a lot this weekend, in the car, at work and even at home between matches. >I like it so much that I just can't stop playing it. >I know someone who could translate the words, >but I don't know if I want to ask in case I find the lyrics aren't up to it. >If anyone knows if the lyrics are up to the music then perhaps they could let me know. >But I should point out that it doesn't matter, I don't care because its great and I'm gonna keep playing it anyway. > >Alan > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:37:09 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Super furry animals Who are they, where are they from and what kind of music do they play? The name sounds familiar. giluz > What ho! > It was a couple of weeks ago when, as I remember, someone was > recommending the super furry animals CD. > Mwng. > I 've been playing it a lot this weekend, in the car, at work and > even at home between matches. > I like it so much that I just can't stop playing it. > I know someone who could translate the words, > but I don't know if I want to ask in case I find the lyrics > aren't up to it. > If anyone knows if the lyrics are up to the music then perhaps > they could let me know. > But I should point out that it doesn't matter, I don't care > because its great and I'm gonna keep playing it anyway. > > Alan > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:44:53 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Super furry animals >It was a couple of weeks ago when, as I remember, someone was recommending the super furry animals CD. >Mwng. T'was me....Translations available at www.mwng.co.uk I think.....I liked the lyrics a lot, especially "Sarn Helen"....Try 'Radiator', which is also an excellent SFA album Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:08:27 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: steve albini interviewed by the onion http://avclub.theonion.com/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: high (?) fidelity On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Katherine Pouliot wrote: > The trailers for High Fidelity seem to give too much away (as do most > American movie trailers these days.) I feel as though I've already > seen it! I agree that most trailers these days are poorly made, but I didn't see this one. What was given away? It's not exactly a suspense flick, but there are a few plot twists. > Hmmm, let me think. A movie chronicling a nerdy music obsessed guy's > life - who can't keep a relationship going. Wow, just what a young > woman like me wants to see. Come on now, the problem with bad trailers is that you CAN'T tell if it's good or not, just what demographic the marketing people think it will appeal to (which is often totally unrelated to what audience the director and actors imagined for the film). Also, it sounds like the trailer *has* misled you in this case, but since you don't like having things spoiled, I'll leave it at that. > Then, I can only imagine how sitting in the theater would be--whispers > everywhere every time a song plays, "I had that album", etc.... It > would be far less painful to go see a Star Wars or even a Star Trek > movie!--- less nerds. Does it pain you to be on music mailing lists, then? I'm quite happy with how often a stray mention of some non-Wire band on this list leads to someone adding "I had that album", even if some of the digressions wander far outside my personal area of interest. Not to make excuses for people who talk during movies, of course, who are even less welcome in polite society than Star Trek fans, and rightly so. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:09:43 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: high (?) fidelity > I agree that most trailers these days are poorly made, but I didn't see > this one. What was given away? It's not exactly a suspense flick, but > there are a few plot twists. > Aaron: To me, it looks like a boys' version of "Pretty in Pink" or something to that effect. Doesn't interest me, that's all. No big deal, *really*. I'm sure I'm not doing it a grave injustice by saying that. > > Hmmm, let me think. A movie chronicling a nerdy music obsessed guy's > > life - who can't keep a relationship going. Wow, just what a young > > woman like me wants to see. > > Come on now, the problem with bad trailers is that you CAN'T tell if it's > good or not, just what demographic the marketing people think it will > appeal to (which is often totally unrelated to what audience the director > and actors imagined for the film). > > Also, it sounds like the trailer *has* misled you in this case, but since > you don't like having things spoiled, I'll leave it at that. Don't worry, I won't lose any sleep over it. Idon't plan on seeing it so I don't care. > > > Then, I can only imagine how sitting in the theater would be--whispers > > everywhere every time a song plays, "I had that album", etc.... It > > would be far less painful to go see a Star Wars or even a Star Trek > > movie!--- less nerds. > > Does it pain you to be on music mailing lists, then? I'm quite happy > with how often a stray mention of some non-Wire band on this list leads to > someone adding "I had that album", even if some of the digressions wander > far outside my personal area of interest. No - does it pain you to have someone expressing their opinion?? It sure sounds like it does. I read all the subjects on this list, which suit me fine, but when I go to the movies it's not the time for discussion. > > Not to make excuses for people who talk during movies, of course, who are > even less welcome in polite society than Star Trek fans, and rightly so. > yes, you see my point. finally! give it a rest! Katherine > aaron > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:13:18 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: high (?) fidelity Give it up, guys. She's made up her mind about the movie based on no real info at all, & that's that. Period. I can't speak for everyone (though I suspect it's a basic human failing), but IIIIIII do the same all the time regarding not only movies but records, bands, books, people ... Sad, but true. Dan, who can safely say, for instance, that he'll never watch any of the Rocky movies (unless the upcoming Bullwinkle one counts ...) > >> I agree that most trailers these days are poorly made, but I didn't see >> this one. What was given away? It's not exactly a suspense flick, but >> there are a few plot twists. >> > >Aaron: >To me, it looks like a boys' version of "Pretty in Pink" or something to >that effect. Doesn't interest me, that's all. No big deal, *really*. I'm >sure I'm not doing it a grave injustice by saying that. > >> > Hmmm, let me think. A movie chronicling a nerdy music obsessed guy's >> > life - who can't keep a relationship going. Wow, just what a young >> > woman like me wants to see. >> >> Come on now, the problem with bad trailers is that you CAN'T tell if it's >> good or not, just what demographic the marketing people think it will >> appeal to (which is often totally unrelated to what audience the director >> and actors imagined for the film). >> >> Also, it sounds like the trailer *has* misled you in this case, but since >> you don't like having things spoiled, I'll leave it at that. > >Don't worry, I won't lose any sleep over it. Idon't plan on seeing it so I >don't care. > >> >> > Then, I can only imagine how sitting in the theater would be--whispers >> > everywhere every time a song plays, "I had that album", etc.... It >> > would be far less painful to go see a Star Wars or even a Star Trek >> > movie!--- less nerds. >> >> Does it pain you to be on music mailing lists, then? I'm quite happy >> with how often a stray mention of some non-Wire band on this list leads to >> someone adding "I had that album", even if some of the digressions wander >> far outside my personal area of interest. > >No - does it pain you to have someone expressing their opinion?? It sure >sounds like it does. I read all the subjects on this list, which suit me >fine, but when I go to the movies it's not the time for discussion. >> >> Not to make excuses for people who talk during movies, of course, who are >> even less welcome in polite society than Star Trek fans, and rightly so. >> >yes, you see my point. finally! give it a rest! >Katherine > >> aaron >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:21:17 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: RIP--high (?) fidelity Hmmm, well, she didn't base her opinion on anything real, he says? And that's that, period? Yer a real ladykiller. Next! Ding! More about classic video collections. I was up late watching Snub between and after Night Flight, also, years ago. What about 120 minutes?? Are there any fans of that here? I can't say I'm a loyal fan, anymore. I used to tape it regularly. I still have some old videos, probably circa '87. I remember seeing Wire videos way back, but I admit that when Kidney Bingos and Eardrum Buzz came out I was not impressed and didn't keep my eyes too open for them. Does anyone watch it anymore?? Haven't seen it in months anyway. Katherine talk to the hand and not the face... snap... j/k ;-) > From: "tube disaster" > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:13:18 -0700 > To: "wire mailing list" > Subject: Re: high (?) fidelity > > > Give it up, guys. She's made up her mind about the movie based on no real > info at all, & that's that. Period. I can't speak for everyone (though I > suspect it's a basic human failing), but IIIIIII do the same all the time > regarding not only movies but records, bands, books, people ... Sad, but > true. > > Dan, who can safely say, for instance, that he'll never watch any of the > Rocky movies (unless the upcoming Bullwinkle one counts ...) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:39:29 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: RIP--high (?) fidelity >Hmmm, well, she didn't base her opinion on anything real, he says? Based purely on the apparent fact that you're going strictly on the trailer ... >Next! Ding! >More about classic video collections. I was up late watching Snub between >and after Night Flight, also, years ago. > >What about 120 minutes?? Are there any fans of that here? I can't say I'm a >loyal fan, anymore. I used to tape it regularly. I still have some old >videos, probably circa '87. I remember seeing Wire videos way back, but I >admit that when Kidney Bingos and Eardrum Buzz came out I was not impressed >and didn't keep my eyes too open for them. Does anyone watch it anymore?? >Haven't seen it in months anyway. Haven't seen it in 8 or 9 years. Decided against getting cable when I moved back from New Orleans in 2/90 -- I watch too damned much TV anyway. Dan > >Katherine >talk to the hand and not the face... snap... j/k ;-) > >> From: "tube disaster" >> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:13:18 -0700 >> To: "wire mailing list" >> Subject: Re: high (?) fidelity >> >> >> Give it up, guys. She's made up her mind about the movie based on no real >> info at all, & that's that. Period. I can't speak for everyone (though I >> suspect it's a basic human failing), but IIIIIII do the same all the time >> regarding not only movies but records, bands, books, people ... Sad, but >> true. >> >> Dan, who can safely say, for instance, that he'll never watch any of the >> Rocky movies (unless the upcoming Bullwinkle one counts ...) >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 9:56:41 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: snub tv >>>>>> hey there's some great stuff there. either i missed these or maybe they modified it a bit when they sold it abroad. i've got the first 30 seconds of "pump" , never seen the whole thing. i do look out for this kind of show and i reckon the only wire solo clips i've ever seen on uk tv are ac marias.p Didn't take nearly as long as I thought. Turns out I was thinking of 2 episodes ... nice to know I'm not losing my mind, as I was correct about He Said & Silk Skin Paws. The rundowns -- (Earlier than the other one, as it was taped in Little Rock before I moved to New Orleans in 8/88, & Peter Fowler appears as host) -- Woodentops -- Everyday Living Prong -- In My Veins Head of David -- Bugged Gary Clail (looking like Frank Black) & Tackhead -- Reality Blurt -- The Body They Built to Fit the Car He Said -- Pulling 3 G's He Said -- Pump Close Lobsters -- Let's Make Some Plans (The second one is definitely a latterday [from a NightFlight standpoint] episode, with offscreen American announcer, taped after my move to Nawlins. The copyright at the end says '88, same as the other one, though there's an excellent chance it didn't air over here till '89.) Pop Will Eat Itself -- Def.con 1 Rapeman -- Hated Chinee Walter Salas-Humara (misspelled "HumaNa" on-screen) -- Carol ... he's the Silos guy & put on a pretty decent show here this spring, though in the video he could pass for the oldest brother in Fox's Party of Five Run-DMC -- Mary Mary Frank Tovey -- Bridge St Shuffle, the video that, along with Sam Hall, got me really interested in his solo stuff) Wire -- Silk Skin Paws Severed Heads -- Greater Reward Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:06:32 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Great....Super..furry animals >>Who are they, where are they from and what kind of music do they play? The >>name sounds familiar. >>giluz I don't know a lot about them, I knew that the CD was sung in welsh and had only heard snippets before the headphones in the shop meant I had to buy it. What I didn't expect was the celtic edge to the music, but if I try to say anymore I'll end up sounding like, don't be silly Gilly Goolden, when banging on about a wine that she likes. Its got Eno,its got celtic folk its got a 70's TV detective theme in there, etc etc. I've just seen Stephen Jacksons Email with the Web address for more details. Every now and then somthing comes allong that I can't stop playing. It was like that all those years ago when Chairs Missing first came out. I borrowed it from a friend and nearly wore the grooves out before he got it back. While in the shop I was lucky to find in the cheapo remainder rack, a cd version of "Play" Magazine, my LP of this is battered, and LP's can't be played at work so I've been keyboarding down memory lane a bit over the past few days as well. A model worker I'm willing to be, as long as I can listen to the odd CD. Alan ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #188 *******************************