From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #181 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, June 12 2000 Volume 03 : Number 181 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Old Video trawl ["ian barrett" ] Making a sofa/TFL/WV mini-update [Wireviews ] Re[2]: old snub tv videos (long lost) [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Review of The Ideal Copy, Ahead EP, SnakeDrill EP, and Commercial Suicide in Creem Mag from September 1987 [] Re: Fun At Yer? ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:22:16 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Old Video trawl Talk of the old Snub / Granada progs had me searching (fruitlessly) through one or two old videos for AC Marias. Turned up quite a few odds and ends from artists, a number of whom have had recent list mentions; inc... A surreal and brief segue of Einsturzende Neubauten (live) fading into Neil Kinnock being interviewed on a scaffolding by Jools Holland, cutting into Killing Joke. More Killing Joke (including a studio performance of Love Like Blood in which Jaz Coleman's head looks far too big for his spindly body) Cabaret Voltaire (Sensoria, Fascination), Art of Noise (Close to the Edit 2 videos; one of which has a group of middle aged men demolishing musical instruments at the behest of a little girl on a disused railway line), Cocteau Twins, XTC, and then some very strange animation/collage thing called A Bad Dream, part of the music for which I think may be Psychic TV. All this and a brief snippet of a documentary about what might come to pass in the unlikely event of German reunification ("obviously the NATO alliance and the European Community would go up in smoke"). Just thought I'd mention Ian (Streaming with hay fever; toenails blackened by football; always in the 'furniture' camp). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:07:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Making a sofa/TFL/WV mini-update Some bits and pieces here - so a bit disjointed... >Hmmm ... if memory serves, it was certain >British listmembers who insisted the lyric >was "fun at yer." Though I could be >misremembering ... > Dan Busted! I was one of the Brits saying I thought it was 'fun at yer'. I put forward the case for the defence as my speaking estuary English, and therefore that's exactly what it does sound like to me, at least on SnakeDrill! (Listening to the RFH version, it's plainly obvious that 'furniture' is the word in question.) Proof indeed, that even if one is of the same nationality that doesn't mean one can fully understand words said, especially if they are sung... mind you, I never got the Hendrix track skewed ;-) Also, it seems a very odd line -- perhaps Wire have an alternative Bible in the attic where 'He' did make the furniture. After all, there seems to be a certain passion for the archaic within their words ('betwixt', 'yclept', etc). And as for the prospect of Wire never making 'fun at yer', D&E anyone? :-) >But of course, the book came out just too >early to include 'The >First Letter'. Do any of you know of an article >on the web where the >origins/meanings of this album are discussed? I don't remember seeing anything online, or even in print. I personally read a lot of these as being in a similar vein to Bell, i.e.: political climates, etc - A Bargain - the bargaining political with bullsh*t promises, Big Glue Canal - royalty, Footsi, obviously links to FTSE... Naked, Whooping and Such-Like seems to play around the ideas of senility, most obviously in the ooperzootics line (another archaic word!) - as for the rest, generic situations? So and Slow reminds for of Newman's Their Terrain in terms of context. I guess if anyone from Wire sees this it may raise a smile as I'm probably way off. I guess if anyone's inclined to deconstruct the words, it's just a case of deciding what they mean to you... Finally, Wireviews will be having a mini-update some time today, most likely fairly late GMT, which will include a couple of new live reviews, along with some more photos of the Garage gig in London. Craig Wireviews. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:16:32 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: old snub tv videos (long lost) ALA is on the WDE album which doesn't sell for much. by far the best track on it , as you might have guessed. there's an amazingly lazy cover of "funkytown" which is good for annoying disco fans .... p What I'd give to hear "Asbestos Lead Asbestos" again....I can still remember that great guitar sound! I don't remember "One of Our Girls" on Snub TV (although I first heard "Just Talk" on the show) ...at the time I didn't even realise AC Marias were Wire related....In the Wire interview, when Colin was talking about 'the buzz in the ear' and how 'they' wouldn't shut up, I remember thinking that he was referring to Lewis and Gilbert....but maybe not.... Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:08:21 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: Review of The Ideal Copy, Ahead EP, SnakeDrill EP, and Commercial Suicide in Creem Mag from September 1987 I've just noticed that the same magazine has a nice little interview with an amusing picture featuring Colin wearing a skinny tie and Bruce wearing what appears to be a vinyl blazer... - -Carl > From: Carl Archer > Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:22:52 -0400 > To: > Subject: Review of The Ideal Copy, Ahead EP, SnakeDrill EP, and Commercial > Suicide in Creem Mag from September 1987 > > I just found this magazine in an old dusty box of mine. I bought the > magazine for a large feature on The Replacements, but didn't notice the WIRE > reviews until today. If it's of any use to anybody, let me know. I'll > transcribe it or make an attempt at scanning and hoping that OCR works. > > -Carl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:39:33 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: Fun At Yer? wrote: >Could've gotten sillier. Could've mentioned American >Wire fans listening to Generation-X mishearing Wild >Youth as Wild Jews or Wild Juice or even Wire Juice. First, that was an American Belarusan (me) - much more accent- (and language-) challenged than your typical American. Second, even I would never mishear WIRE, so the third choice is completely made up by that cracked machine... Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #181 *******************************