From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #177 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 9 2000 Volume 03 : Number 177 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re[2]: paul effin' young [Creatured ] Paul-Jones not Young & Wat Tyler [Joseph Silber ] Re: Granada TV ["ian barrett" ] Re: OMD's stage performance ["Mats Hammerman" ] SonikYouth/Stereolab/Quixotic [VoxxJaguar@aol.com] Re: misc. digest comments - now Thin Lizzy and then I ramble ["Laurel G" ] Pegboy - was Cheap Trick ["Laurel G" ] sorry - really old one coming back to haunt you - Diggle ["Laurel G" Subject: Re: Re[2]: paul effin' young Actually,there is w a wild electronic song on one of thier albums that is pretty good,i like. All of the rest that i've by th Flock sucks something pretty big. I think it is called Rosamontaug or something close to that. Rick - --- Carl Archer wrote: > I think 'Wishing' is a fine song. The rest? Eh! If you want to > waste some > time check out this: http://www.oz.net/~davester/AFOS/AFOS.html > > Carl > > > From: "lucifersam" > > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:33:16 +0100 > > To: , , > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: paul effin' young > > > > AFOS??? I assume we are talking about A Flock Of Shite! God! > > That group alone gave the 80's the bad name it never deserved! > > Some 80's stuff was fantastic...They were PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > AAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: ; > > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:08 AM > > Subject: Re[2]: paul effin' young > > > > > >>>>>>> no no no. that single is by paul JONES , ex-mannfred mann (do > wah > > diddy and all that). i recall he did a punk single for reasons that > escaped > > me (and most people i think). paul young made a lot of crap , but > not "punk" > > crap. shame our us friends missed "toast" , maybe puff daddy could > re-work > > it ir something. > >> > >> best of led zep is worst than the worst of AFOS? i think i'll go > lie down > > for a bit.p > >> > >> > >> ______________________________ Reply Separator > > _________________________________ > >> Subject: Re: paul effin' young > >> Author: MIME:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net at INTERNET > >> Date: 07/06/2000 19:56 > >> > >> > >> OK, a question for you UKers ... Did Paul fucking Young start out > as a > > pseudo-punk or something? A fairly sizable lot of late '70s/early > '80s 7"s I > > got in the mail a couple of weeks ago included a '78 RSO release of > him > > doing Sheena is a Punk Rocker & Pretty Vacant. I haven't had the > nerve to > > put it on the turntable ... as it is, I've been successfully > avoiding his > > version of Love Will Tear Us Apart (if I'm thinking of the right > guy) for > > nearly 2 decades now. > >> > >> Dan > >> > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Silber Subject: Paul-Jones not Young & Wat Tyler The 45 of Pretty Vacant b/w Sheena Is A Punk Rocker is not punk at all, but lounge versions, if I remember correctly - I found a copy of that when I was just getting into punk (84 or so - junior year of high school someone gave me the DKs' Nazi Punks Fuck Off 45 and another taped Never Mind the Bollocks and it was all downhill from there) and I found that 45. The tempo of the tracks on both sides is about the same as the Carpenters's Rainy Days and Mondays and I seem to remember synthesized strings though it's been a longlonglong time since I had a copy of it. Wat Tyler is a sort of funny-once joke - the Dickies on speed cut with something really nasty. I saw a cheap copy ($3) of their CD Tummy (30+ tracks, 40 minutes) because the cover was an amusing parody of Portishead's Dummy. It'll be a few years and many mix tapes before I feel I've made back my investment. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- If there's one thing I learned when I was still a child It's to take a hiding (Belle & Sebastian, "I Don't Love Anymore") malachimulligan@excite.com _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:23:46 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: beep > Subject: Sonar 2000 > A few highlights: sounds like the place to effin' be - sorry i won't > THEE MAJESTY / ETANT DONN > MARK CUNNINGHAM (USA/F) any no-wavers out there? > COLIN NEWMAN plays SWIM (UK) > OTOMO YOSHIHIDE & SACHIKO M (Extreme/JAP) sachiko m(akes cooler music with the sinewaves on her sampler than most do with 512 megs) ... plus if THEE MAJESTY still includes bachar attar - this will be a f****d up event indeed cheereo david __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:47:56 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Granada TV Ian C's correct - it was The Other Side of Midnight. As part of the intro, there was a very brief piece of footage of Wire. The rendition of Just Talk was rather good. The promo video for Just Talk (which got an airing on SnubTV, as did 'One of Our Girls...') was simple but interesting. Ian - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Calder To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Granada TV > Mmm.. nope, it was definitely not 'So It Goes', it was much later series (late 80s, possibly into the early 90s - my memory is hazy) - as an aside, its the same programme that The Stone Roses (amongst others, I'm sure) also appeared on as they came to light. > > Ian > > At 11:40 08/06/00 +0100, you wrote: > > I think you'll find the TV show in question was called "So it Goes" > > I have a compilation of the highlights of this show, introduced by > > Tony Wilson. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:05:21 PDT From: "Mats Hammerman" Subject: Re: OMD's stage performance If it was the same concert as I saw at Notre dame hall that summer it was The The. I bought their first single some time later and at that time they were a duo. Lots of early drummachines and noises... Quite far from how they sound today. All the best Mats >Notre Dame Hall 19th July 1979 >First time I saw Wire & I vaguely >remember the support act was two young >guys, white shirts, black strides playing >synths. Sounded quite hard edged in a >light industrial sort of way. >Could these have been...? > >A. > > >I never found their music as obscure or experimental > >as their stage performance.... > >Alan Gray ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:52:41 EDT From: VoxxJaguar@aol.com Subject: SonikYouth/Stereolab/Quixotic Would anyone out there in Ideal Copyland possibly have an extra ticket to Sonic Youth/Stereolab/Quixotic show on Saturday at The Riviera in Chicago? Please help! 2 tickets would be miraculous; one would be divine. If you know of anyone with an extra, please have them email me...VoxxJaguar@aol.com David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 01:25:18 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: misc. digest comments - now Thin Lizzy and then I ramble >From: obie >If we are going to go there with this : how does everyone feel about >Thin Lizzy? >I mean, when all is said and done , they weren't that bad for the genre. > I liked Thin Lizzy at the time, still do, although I don't own any records/cds anymore - I can still hear their songs today and like them - the music brings back a very nice period in my life, so maybe that has something to do with it too - I also think the music has "aged" better than some others - when I hear it now I don't go "oh my god, that sounds so outdated" - - must say when I saw Joe Strummer there were a few moments like that when they played old stuff - different music altogether I know, but I did have that reaction when they did some old stuff I have to admit I like Firehouse - now don't bother to point out to me that if I have something against 80s hair metal pretty boys, then what the heck am I talking about? - they write some really sappy stuff, and they are SSSSOOOOO genre, but hey, a girl's got to have her weird "things" - talk about music being outdated though *L Laurel *now there's MY musical skeleton "When I first laid eyes on you I knew that you were trouble and just too good to be true" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 01:35:45 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Pegboy - was Cheap Trick > >I'll have to check out some of these covers you speak of! >Katherine > Do you know Pegboy Katherine? I ask only cause I don't want to offend you if you do - but since we're not live, and I can't get that answer right away I'll tell you a bit about them Surrender is on Cha Cha Damore - Pegboy is post Naked Raygun John Haggerty plus other notables, including his brother Joe - I'm in love with Larry Damore - not really, but his voice just does something for me - Dan and I spotted him here at the Wire show (I made a Wire reference, yahoo!!) Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 02:07:29 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: sorry - really old one coming back to haunt you - Diggle Dredging up really old stuff that I felt I was too new to get in on at the time Please don't BBQ Steve Diggle - I love Diggle, his stuff, his voice - where would we be without harmony in my head - I'd be lying if I said he hasn't written some not so good songs - have you heard Mordern, the new BC one? a great percentage of the ones I really like are Diggle (don't anyone tell Pete I said that *L) - he's come a long way and he's got some tracks on his new release that are really good - that's one of the reasons people do solo stuff, because they have other areas they want to explore that don't necessarily fit in with the concept of "the band" - and just because he's a Buzzcock, doesn't mean that he's a clone, or that his solo stuff will be - he likes a lot of different music than Pete likes, and that is reflected - consider that the Buzzcocks ARE Pete and Steve - others have come and gone, but BC remained great throughout - so I have to wonder, what would the Buzzcocks be without Steve's influence, however small or great that may be? however - if you want to cook him up nice and tender, juicy and succlent, I might just take a nibble - if you insist on BBQ, at least par boil him first Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:08:06 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Granada TV sounds like this "just talk" is something that needs circulating (hint) p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Granada TV Author: MIME:ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk at INTERNET Date: 09/06/2000 08:51 Ian C's correct - it was The Other Side of Midnight. As part of the intro, there was a very brief piece of footage of Wire. The rendition of Just Talk was rather good. The promo video for Just Talk (which got an airing on SnubTV, as did 'One of Our Girls...') was simple but interesting. Ian - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Calder To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Granada TV > Mmm.. nope, it was definitely not 'So It Goes', it was much later series (late 80s, possibly into the early 90s - my memory is hazy) - as an aside, its the same programme that The Stone Roses (amongst others, I'm sure) also appeared on as they came to light. > > Ian > > At 11:40 08/06/00 +0100, you wrote: > > I think you'll find the TV show in question was called "So it Goes" > > I have a compilation of the highlights of this show, introduced by > > Tony Wilson. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:21:06 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: sorry - really old one coming back to haunt you - Diggl Please don't BBQ Steve Diggle >>>> er , well Laurel at least some of that was me. not heard the 90's buzzcocks at any length , i hear mixed reports. what i did see was the pistols finsbury park show where , faced with an audience who so wanted to love 'em , steve sung a few tracks off the new album. and boy did they die a death. i think the album that really bugs me is tension ; pete writes 8 fabulous tracks of intelligent , bittersweet pop. stevey baby then piles in with stuff that's just crass and totally uninspired filler by comparison (i still can't stand "you know you can't help it" , that is such a load of old toss). thank god for programmable cd players.p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #177 *******************************