From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #176 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, June 8 2000 Volume 03 : Number 176 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: paul effin' young ["giluz" ] Obscure Bruce/Can appearance [Anthony Clough ] Re: Re[2]: paul effin' young ["lucifersam" ] Granada TV [Ian Calder ] Re: paul effin' young [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #174 [Howard Spencer ] Re: paul effin' young ["lucifersam" ] Re: Granada TV ["lucifersam" ] Paul Young & Fretless Bass [timrobinson@cwcom.net] Re: misc. digest comments - Cheap Trick - sorry, I'm way behind [Carl Arc] Re: Granada TV [Ian Calder ] Re: Re[2]: paul effin' young [Carl Archer ] Re: Paul Young & Fretless Bass [Carl Archer ] Re: Paul Young & Fretless Bass ["lucifersam" ] Re: Paul Young & Fretless Bass [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[4]: paul effin' young [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: Granada TV [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Re[2]: paul effin' young ["tube disaster" ] Re: Paul Young & Fretless Bass [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: paul effin' young ["tube disaster" ] Re[2]: Paul Young & Fretless Bass [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: paul effin' young [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Colin in today's Guardian ["Uri Baran" ] Re: Colin in today's Guardian [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Sonar 2000 [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: paul effin' young ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: Sonar 2000 ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re: Exploited/Crass [Creatured ] RE: paul effin' young & LedZep(Zappa's B.Brown) [Creatured Subject: RE: paul effin' young > Sounds like most of the stuff they ever broadcast on the subject. Being a > lapsed jew, remind me what the pentacost holidays are? > > Uri Being a lapsed jew myself, I can't tell you much - but I know that it's an agricultural holiday, when all the new crops are supposed to be eaten, so there's not a lot of religious content to it (relatively), and you get to eat lots of all kinds of cheese products, which is really nice. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:16:20 +0100 () From: Anthony Clough Subject: Obscure Bruce/Can appearance Not only did Bruce do a remix of the already extreme (even by Can standards) TV Spot on "Sacrilege" but he also appears on the video which is part of the Can Box. His image briefly appears on a TV screen while he reads out a dictionary definition of "can" which was his contribution to the sleeve notes of "Sacrilege". He rounded the notes off by saying something like "not very personal, I know, but it sums up how I feel". Bruce aside, this video is easily the best part of the package and I would recommend it when it becomes available as a separate item if you don't fancy the complete Box. Its truly essential for Can fans. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:39:29 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Obscure Bruce/Can appearance Yeah, the video is great, the best part of the Box Set. They did release the double CD seperately, so they might release the video as well. I'd still recommend the whole box for any Can fan. I'll have to watch it again to catch Bruce. Anyway, I guess then that Krautrock bands did have a definite influence on Wire. I even to seem to remember that a member of Can (I think it was Irmin Schmidt) was Colin's teacher in artschool (I think Brian Eno taught him too). With teachers like that, no wonder... (blah blah blah). giluz > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Anthony Clough > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:16 AM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Obscure Bruce/Can appearance > > > > Not only did Bruce do a remix of the already extreme (even by Can > standards) TV Spot on "Sacrilege" but he also appears on the video which > is part of the Can Box. His image briefly appears on a TV screen while he > reads out a dictionary definition of "can" which was his > contribution to the > sleeve notes of "Sacrilege". He rounded the notes off by saying something > like "not very personal, I know, but it sums up how I feel". > > Bruce aside, this video is easily the best part of the package and I would > recommend it when it becomes available as a separate item if you don't > fancy the complete Box. Its truly essential for Can fans. > > Tony. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:33:16 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Re[2]: paul effin' young AFOS??? I assume we are talking about A Flock Of Shite! God! That group alone gave the 80's the bad name it never deserved! Some 80's stuff was fantastic...They were PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:08 AM Subject: Re[2]: paul effin' young > >>>>> no no no. that single is by paul JONES , ex-mannfred mann (do wah diddy and all that). i recall he did a punk single for reasons that escaped me (and most people i think). paul young made a lot of crap , but not "punk" crap. shame our us friends missed "toast" , maybe puff daddy could re-work it ir something. > > best of led zep is worst than the worst of AFOS? i think i'll go lie down for a bit.p > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: paul effin' young > Author: MIME:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net at INTERNET > Date: 07/06/2000 19:56 > > > OK, a question for you UKers ... Did Paul fucking Young start out as a pseudo-punk or something? A fairly sizable lot of late '70s/early '80s 7"s I got in the mail a couple of weeks ago included a '78 RSO release of him doing Sheena is a Punk Rocker & Pretty Vacant. I haven't had the nerve to put it on the turntable ... as it is, I've been successfully avoiding his version of Love Will Tear Us Apart (if I'm thinking of the right guy) for nearly 2 decades now. > > Dan > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:46:20 +0100 From: Ian Calder Subject: Granada TV >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:24:16 +0200 >From: "giluz" >Subject: RE: paul effin' young > >Well, it was a collection of gigs made by Granada TV, broadcast in 91 or 92. >I'll have to look through my old tapes for the actual gig, which will >probably take me a long time to find. I remember they had The Clash, >Siouxie, Buzzcocks, Sex Pistols. No Wire of course, and I don't remember >much else. We're going on the Pentacost holidays, so I'll try and look for >it and might have an answer for you on Sunday. > >giluz Hmmm... talk of video and Granada TV reminds me... somewhere or other I have on video an appearance by AC Marias on Tony Wilson's 'The Other Side of Midnight' (I think it was called) programme, from about 1988/89 (would have to check) performing 'Just Talk' - just Angela Conway on vocal and BC Gilbert on acoustic guitar (plus effects) - has this been mentioned before? Haven't spotted it on the listing for the videos CD-Rom. If its of any interest I can try and locate it from my badly archived videos pile sometime. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 06:18:59 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: paul effin' young Giluz, << I remember they once had on TV a collection of old punk gigs from 1977, and on one of those, I forgot what band it was, you could clearly see in the audience Simply Red's singer (whose name I forgot because my brain has much more important and useful things to deal with) pogoing with a punk haircut!!! >> Mr Michael Hucknall was indeed a manchester punk, and front-man of crap Manc punksters The Frantic Elevators, who I saw once supporting Echo & the Bunnymen. The last FE single was Holding Back the Years.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:33:53 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #174 Hi Giluz and list, Can: Yoo doo right on sacrelege lasts for four minutes-ish and has nice swishy keyboards added. Purists probably hate it but it is the track i always make for. Pop song might be stetching it but it has catchy hooks. Paul Young: - don't think LWTear ever got a single release in the UK - I seem to remember it was slated for release, but was stuffed by Tony Wilson re-releasing JD's version. Q tips and streetband were indeed cack. Good production is in the ear of the beholder, innit? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:42:13 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: paul effin' young What goes around comes around my friend! > Mr Michael Hucknall was indeed a manchester punk, and front-man of crap Manc > punksters The Frantic Elevators, who I saw once supporting Echo & the > Bunnymen. The last FE single was Holding Back the Years.... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:40:54 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Granada TV I think you'll find the TV show in question was called "So it Goes" I have a compilation of the highlights of this show, introduced by Tony Wilson. You may remember the famous clip of Anarchy' that the pistols did live where Lydon starts the song by screaming "Get off Your Arse"!!!! to the audience and then a blistering version of Anarchy'...Ending with Jordan throwing chairs at the stage. That was the first time I heard the Pistols and to be honest my Jaw hit the floor!! I was still into Bowie and Roxy and the odd 'Rock' group like Deep Purple or something.August '76 that was. It took me a good few months to jump on board, but the journey was worth while..... Mick Hucknall would have been around the gigs shown as they were all recorded @ the Electric Circus in Manchester. Peace Maaannnn The Siam Twat (41 today..:-( - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Calder To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:46 AM Subject: Granada TV > >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:24:16 +0200 > >From: "giluz" > >Subject: RE: paul effin' young > > > >Well, it was a collection of gigs made by Granada TV, broadcast in 91 or 92. > >I'll have to look through my old tapes for the actual gig, which will > >probably take me a long time to find. I remember they had The Clash, > >Siouxie, Buzzcocks, Sex Pistols. No Wire of course, and I don't remember > >much else. We're going on the Pentacost holidays, so I'll try and look for > >it and might have an answer for you on Sunday. > > > >giluz > > Hmmm... talk of video and Granada TV reminds me... somewhere or other I have on video an appearance by AC Marias on Tony Wilson's 'The Other Side of Midnight' (I think it was called) programme, from about 1988/89 (would have to check) performing 'Just Talk' - just Angela Conway on vocal and BC Gilbert on acoustic guitar (plus effects) - has this been mentioned before? Haven't spotted it on the listing for the videos CD-Rom. If its of any interest I can try and locate it from my badly archived videos pile sometime. > > Ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:20:42 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: Paul Young & Fretless Bass The worst thing about Paul Young was his records were plastered with that horrible fretless bass sound, courtesy of pony tailed session muso Pino Pallindino. Worse still that same Bass is back. The appalling Richard Ashcroft (loose limbed singer with The Verve, nicked Jason Spacemans girlfriend, now dreadfully over-rated Bono soundalike who belives his own press) has recruited Pino and a load his 80s session mates to join his new band! Ashcroft is trying to make out that they are all mates like a 'real' band, yeah right. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:42:19 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: misc. digest comments - Cheap Trick - sorry, I'm way behind The whiny ballads that you heard (i.e. 'The Flame') were not written by Cheap Trick. Does the name Holly Knight ring any bells? Cheap Trick became a slave to their label ever since they fell off of their peak in '81. DO NOT buy Cheap Trick's 'Greatest Hits'. That album has only has a few good songs, has covers on it (WTF?), and is missing 'Ello Kiddies' and 'He's a Whore'. Instead, buy their first four albums if you want to hear the essential stuff. I like it, although I think they really made some mistakes like the 9-minute self-indulgent abortion 'Gonna Raise Hell' on Dream Police. Carl > From: Katherine Pouliot > Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 00:10:51 -0400 > To: Laurel G , > Subject: Re: misc. digest comments - Cheap Trick - sorry, I'm way behind > > yeah, Cheap Trick did it for me before I became a teenager. Now I hear > whiny ballads by them on the easy listening station that plays at my office. > I have to wonder if their tastes really changed that much, or if they were > really always just rolling with the record companies' suggestions/demands > for the times. > > I'll have to check out some of these covers you speak of! > Katherine > > >> From: "Laurel G" >> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:04:48 CDT >> To: idealcopy@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: misc. digest comments - Cheap Trick - sorry, I'm way behind >> >> Help! I've gotten behind and I can't catch up!! >> >> I'm way behind, so please excuse if I reply on a few things you might have >> thought you were done with - I actually almost replied to Dan's about Cheap >> Trick the other day, but was a-scared to - cause as Dan knows, and has >> probably been dreading me talking about, I'm not fond of them, so I was glad >> to see Katherine say she wasn't as impressed now > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:46:04 +0100 From: Ian Calder Subject: Re: Granada TV Mmm.. nope, it was definitely not 'So It Goes', it was much later series (late 80s, possibly into the early 90s - my memory is hazy) - as an aside, its the same programme that The Stone Roses (amongst others, I'm sure) also appeared on as they came to light. Ian At 11:40 08/06/00 +0100, you wrote: > I think you'll find the TV show in question was called "So it Goes" > I have a compilation of the highlights of this show, introduced by > Tony Wilson. You may remember the famous clip of Anarchy' > that the pistols did live where Lydon starts the song by screaming > "Get off Your Arse"!!!! to the audience and then a blistering version > of Anarchy'...Ending with Jordan throwing chairs at the stage. > That was the first time I heard the Pistols and to be honest my Jaw >hit the floor!! I was still into Bowie and Roxy and the odd 'Rock' group >like Deep Purple or something.August '76 that was. It took me a good >few months to jump on board, but the journey was worth while..... >Mick Hucknall would have been around the gigs shown as they were >all recorded @ the Electric Circus in Manchester. >Peace Maaannnn >The Siam Twat >(41 today..:-( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:51:08 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: Re[2]: paul effin' young I think 'Wishing' is a fine song. The rest? Eh! If you want to waste some time check out this: http://www.oz.net/~davester/AFOS/AFOS.html Carl > From: "lucifersam" > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:33:16 +0100 > To: , , > Subject: Re: Re[2]: paul effin' young > > AFOS??? I assume we are talking about A Flock Of Shite! God! > That group alone gave the 80's the bad name it never deserved! > Some 80's stuff was fantastic...They were PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! > AAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:08 AM > Subject: Re[2]: paul effin' young > > >>>>>>> no no no. that single is by paul JONES , ex-mannfred mann (do wah > diddy and all that). i recall he did a punk single for reasons that escaped > me (and most people i think). paul young made a lot of crap , but not "punk" > crap. shame our us friends missed "toast" , maybe puff daddy could re-work > it ir something. >> >> best of led zep is worst than the worst of AFOS? i think i'll go lie down > for a bit.p >> >> >> ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ >> Subject: Re: paul effin' young >> Author: MIME:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net at INTERNET >> Date: 07/06/2000 19:56 >> >> >> OK, a question for you UKers ... Did Paul fucking Young start out as a > pseudo-punk or something? A fairly sizable lot of late '70s/early '80s 7"s I > got in the mail a couple of weeks ago included a '78 RSO release of him > doing Sheena is a Punk Rocker & Pretty Vacant. I haven't had the nerve to > put it on the turntable ... as it is, I've been successfully avoiding his > version of Love Will Tear Us Apart (if I'm thinking of the right guy) for > nearly 2 decades now. >> >> Dan >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:10:14 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: Paul Young & Fretless Bass Pino was playing with D'Angelo last I heard. His playing on David Gilmour's "About Face" isn't that bad. Fretless isn't bad as long as the bass player isn't playing it as though he/she is trying to scream "Hey look at me! I can play fretless! Worship me as I slide up and down strings! Tighten my strap so the bass is up against my throat! Make me wear silly hats!". David J plays fretless, but you wouldn't know it. I wonder what listers think of Mark Egan's playing on Arcadia's "So Red The Rose".... - -Carl > From: timrobinson@cwcom.net > Reply-To: timrobinson@cwcom.net > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:20:42 +0100 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Paul Young & Fretless Bass > > The worst thing about Paul Young was his records were plastered with that > horrible > fretless bass sound, courtesy of pony tailed session muso Pino Pallindino. > > > Worse still that same Bass is back. The appalling Richard Ashcroft (loose > limbed > singer with The Verve, nicked Jason Spacemans girlfriend, now dreadfully > over-rated > Bono soundalike who belives his own press) > has recruited Pino and a load his 80s session mates to join his new band! > Ashcroft > is trying to make out that they are all mates like a 'real' band, yeah right. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:21:22 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Paul Young & Fretless Bass Fretless bsses did have a certain something back then, a new sound i suppose. But now they sound as contemorary as Synth horn sections and drum machines! Yuk... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:20 PM Subject: Paul Young & Fretless Bass > The worst thing about Paul Young was his records were plastered with that horrible > fretless bass sound, courtesy of pony tailed session muso Pino Pallindino. > > > Worse still that same Bass is back. The appalling Richard Ashcroft (loose limbed > singer with The Verve, nicked Jason Spacemans girlfriend, now dreadfully over-rated > Bono soundalike who belives his own press) > has recruited Pino and a load his 80s session mates to join his new band! Ashcroft > is trying to make out that they are all mates like a 'real' band, yeah right. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:10:54 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Paul Young & Fretless Bass i just saw the q review of the ashcroft solo album ; really rare they give such a slagging to a british "name" act in this way. maybe richard a could be the paul young of the noughties (i hate that word. can anyone think of a better one)p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Paul Young & Fretless Bass Author: MIME:timrobinson@cwcom.net at INTERNET Date: 08/06/2000 13:29 The worst thing about Paul Young was his records were plastered with that horrible fretless bass sound, courtesy of pony tailed session muso Pino Pallindino. Worse still that same Bass is back. The appalling Richard Ashcroft (loose limbed singer with The Verve, nicked Jason Spacemans girlfriend, now dreadfully over-rated Bono soundalike who belives his own press) has recruited Pino and a load his 80s session mates to join his new band! Ashcroft is trying to make out that they are all mates like a 'real' band, yeah right. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:11:19 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: paul effin' young I think 'Wishing' is a fine song. The rest? Eh! If you want to waste some time check out this: http://www.oz.net/~davester/AFOS/AFOS.html Carl >>>>> thanks carl but no thanks.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:15:41 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Granada TV "the other side of midnight" maybe? that was one of tony w's offerings around that time. lots of mondays appearances too i think.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Granada TV Author: MIME:i.calder@surrey.ac.uk at INTERNET Date: 08/06/2000 14:19 Mmm.. nope, it was definitely not 'So It Goes', it was much later series (late 80s, possibly into the early 90s - my memory is hazy) - as an aside, its the same programme that The Stone Roses (amongst others, I'm sure) also appeared on as they came to light. Ian At 11:40 08/06/00 +0100, you wrote: > I think you'll find the TV show in question was called "So it Goes" > I have a compilation of the highlights of this show, introduced by > Tony Wilson. You may remember the famous clip of Anarchy' > that the pistols did live where Lydon starts the song by screaming > "Get off Your Arse"!!!! to the audience and then a blistering version > of Anarchy'...Ending with Jordan throwing chairs at the stage. > That was the first time I heard the Pistols and to be honest my Jaw >hit the floor!! I was still into Bowie and Roxy and the odd 'Rock' group >like Deep Purple or something.August '76 that was. It took me a good >few months to jump on board, but the journey was worth while..... >Mick Hucknall would have been around the gigs shown as they were >all recorded @ the Electric Circus in Manchester. >Peace Maaannnn >The Siam Twat >(41 today..:-( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:32:06 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[2]: paul effin' young *ACK* You're right ... I can spell, I suppose -- I just can't *read*. Still, we've gotten a nice discussion about Mr Young out of it. As for Led Zep vs. AFOS ... sorry, but I have an instinctive bias against Robert Plant's yelping. And if AFOS ever did a song ripping off Little Willie Dixon *or* Aleister Crowley, I missed it. Dan >>>>> no no no. that single is by paul JONES , ex-mannfred mann (do wah diddy and all that). i recall he did a punk single for reasons that escaped me (and most people i think). paul young made a lot of crap , but not "punk" crap. shame our us friends missed "toast" , maybe puff daddy could re-work it ir something. best of led zep is worst than the worst of AFOS? i think i'll go lie down for a bit.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: paul effin' young Author: MIME:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net at INTERNET Date: 07/06/2000 19:56 OK, a question for you UKers ... Did Paul fucking Young start out as a pseudo-punk or something? A fairly sizable lot of late '70s/early '80s 7"s I got in the mail a couple of weeks ago included a '78 RSO release of him doing Sheena is a Punk Rocker & Pretty Vacant. I haven't had the nerve to put it on the turntable ... as it is, I've been successfully avoiding his version of Love Will Tear Us Apart (if I'm thinking of the right guy) for nearly 2 decades now. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:52:35 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Paul Young & Fretless Bass Paul, << i just saw the q review of the ashcroft solo album ; really rare they give such a slagging to a british "name" act in this way. maybe richard a could be the paul young of the noughties (i hate that word. can anyone think of a better one)p >> I always thought Ashcroft sounded like Jim Diamond, whose big hit was, of course, 'I should have known better'... Now there's synchronicity for you.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:56:07 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: paul effin' young >Giluz, > ><< I remember they once had on TV a collection of old punk gigs from 1977, and > on one of those, I forgot what band it was, you could clearly see in the > audience Simply Red's singer (whose name I forgot because my brain has much > more important and useful things to deal with) pogoing with a punk > haircut!!! >> > >Mr Michael Hucknall was indeed a manchester punk, and front-man of crap Manc >punksters The Frantic Elevators, who I saw once supporting Echo & the >Bunnymen. The last FE single was Holding Back the Years.... > >Mark Only FE I've ever heard is Hunchback of Notre Dame on the Peel Sessions comp Manchester -- So Much to Answer For. Pretty decent, actually ... Chumbawamba, of all people, covered it pretty faithfully as a B-side to Ugh! Your Ugly Houses 4 or 5 years ago. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:05:48 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Paul Young & Fretless Bass I always thought Ashcroft sounded like Jim Diamond, whose big hit was, of course, 'I should have known better'... Now there's synchronicity for you.... Mark >>>> you know i did quite like "history" by the verve , particularly the lyrics. found out recently he'd borrowed them from william blake , hmmmm. enjoyed it when jack "i'm so liberal" straw chose it on his desert island discs having not noticed the "i'm so pumped full of drugs" line richie had added at the end.p (bit uk biased that one......) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:31:15 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: paul effin' young Only FE I've ever heard is Hunchback of Notre Dame on the Peel Sessions comp Manchester -- So Much to Answer For. Pretty decent, actually ... Chumbawamba, of all people, covered it pretty faithfully as a B-side to Ugh! Your Ugly Houses 4 or 5 years ago. Dan >>>>> oooh that must have hurt mr nobacon to give hucknall those royalties. still , that last simply red album seemed to stiff pretty impressively (ha ha).p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:47:59 +0100 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Colin in today's Guardian Work in progress Colin Newman, musician Colin Newman Thursday June 8, 2000 If anyone had told me a year ago that I would spend the first six months of this year engaged in various activities with my old cohorts Wire, I would have at least expressed mild surprise. No, make that dumb disbelief. Such has been the pattern of my so-called professional life that I've travelled far from my erstwhile roots. Yet it's interesting to indulge in some familiar musical interplay while gently nudging the "old jalopy" into a more rewarding (and familiar to me) contemporary arena. Wire now stands at the end of a pretty frantically active period by its own stop-start standards. It's actually played live 15 times this year, including a US tour, and it's only June! So what's going on? Here is a band who have only actually worked together for less than 10 years of their 23-year (count 'em!) history, who have never had any kind of hit record, and who no longer have (nor have any interest in) a record deal. Yet they can fill the Royal Festival Hall and ram certain high-profile US venues way beyond their fire capacities with audiences of which a considerable number are less than half their own (not that inconsiderable) age. It's a mystery and an enigma to us all, yet is perhaps proof positive that an ensemble who have only ever tried to make an impression (somewhat naively perhaps) by just being as good and diverse as they can be, can have a lasting effect beyond being an "influence". So what's next? For me, I'm off to Sonar, an electronic music festival in Barcelona to do a little DJ set to present my label swim ~ then after that I may or may not be touring North America again, this time in my DJ guise. And for Wire there will be a re-convening later in the year to see if we can cook up some more delights; meanwhile Wire's own pinkflag.com mail-order label will be releasing the third in its current series - a version of the US set recorded and mixed at Steve Albini's "Electric" studio in Chicago. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:14:39 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: Colin in today's Guardian - --0__=U7jNacuxSq0qUIqxMgG9BUkAmIfzNRkwnGKiDiYZKPU4hE0itNDHEZzi Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Incidentally tickets for the Sonar festival in Barcelona were retailing at around - --0__=U7jNacuxSq0qUIqxMgG9BUkAmIfzNRkwnGKiDiYZKPU4hE0itNDHEZzi Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =A350 for the weekend. It sounds really good but unfortunately I couldn't get time off work. More inf. go to http://www.sonar.es/indexb.= htm. Thee Majesty (Genesis P.'s latest incarnation) will be there as well as= many others. Can't wait for the "delights" later in the year! Chris. "Uri Baran" on 08/06/2000 16:47:59 To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Colin in today's Guardian = - --0__=U7jNacuxSq0qUIqxMgG9BUkAmIfzNRkwnGKiDiYZKPU4hE0itNDHEZzi Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Work in progress Colin Newman, musician Colin Newman Thursday June 8, 2000 If anyone had told me a year ago that I would spend the first six months of this year engaged in various activities with my old cohorts Wire, I would have at least expressed mild surprise. No, make that dumb disbelief. Such has been the pattern of my so-called professional life that I've travelled far from my erstwhile roots. Yet it's interesting to indulge in some familiar musical interplay while gently nudging the "old jalopy" into a more rewarding (and familiar to me) contemporary arena. Wire now stands at the end of a pretty frantically active period by its own stop-start standards. It's actually played live 15 times this year, including a US tour, and it's only June! So what's going on? Here is a band who have only actually worked together for less than 10 years of their 23-year (count 'em!) history, who have never had any kind of hit record, and who no longer have (nor have any interest in) a record deal. Yet they can fill the Royal Festival Hall and ram certain high-profile US venues way beyond their fire capacities with audiences of which a considerable number are less than half their own (not that inconsiderable) age. It's a mystery and an enigma to us all, yet is perhaps proof positive that an ensemble who have only ever tried to make an impression (somewhat naively perhaps) by just being as good and diverse as they can be, can have a lasting effect beyond being an "influence". So what's next? For me, I'm off to Sonar, an electronic music festival in Barcelona to do a little DJ set to present my label swim ~ then after that I may or may not be touring North America again, this time in my DJ guise. And for Wire there will be a re-convening later in the year to see if we can cook up some more delights; meanwhile Wire's own pinkflag.com mail-order label will be releasing the third in its current series - a version of the US set recorded and mixed at Steve Albini's "Electric" studio in Chicago. - --0__=U7jNacuxSq0qUIqxMgG9BUkAmIfzNRkwnGKiDiYZKPU4hE0itNDHEZzi-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:39:40 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Sonar 2000 - --0__=e4bjnhaebMYssFALvj3hMXKQkyUZ4WVRCrEj4CcgRuux6EAddcqgq1h0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline A few highlights: THEE MAJESTY / ETANT DONN - --0__=e4bjnhaebMYssFALvj3hMXKQkyUZ4WVRCrEj4CcgRuux6EAddcqgq1h0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =C9S y MARK CUNNINGHAM (USA/F) COLIN NEWMAN plays SWIM (UK) OTOMO YOSHIHIDE & SACHIKO M (Extreme/JAP) TONE REC (Sub rosa/F) ECHOBOY (Mute/USA) PAN AMERICAN (Blast First/USA) GOLDFRAPP (MUTE/UK) SPEEDY J (Novamute /HOL) V.V.E (VASSANEN / VAINIO / EINHEIT) (Blast First / FIN-GER) ADD N To (X) (Mute/UK) POLE (GER) KIT CLAYTON (USA) STEVE BECKETT plays WARP (UK) COIL (UK) MARC ALMOND (Blue Star/UK) STEREO MC'S (UK) A GUY CALLED GERALD (UK) DEATH IN VEGAS (Deconstruction/ UK) RICHIE HAWTIN (Minus/CAN) LUKE SLATER (Novamute/UK) CARL COX (Ultimatum-In Tech/UK) A lot of the above are DJ sets. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privil= eged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it= or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. = - --0__=e4bjnhaebMYssFALvj3hMXKQkyUZ4WVRCrEj4CcgRuux6EAddcqgq1h0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:29:50 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: paul effin' young ><< I remember they once had on TV a collection of old punk gigs from 1977, and > on one of those, I forgot what band it was Magazine, "Motorcade"....what goes around comes around. Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:28:46 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: Sonar 2000 That sounds like a blast. I wish I was there! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: Sonar 2000 > > > > A few highlights: > > THEE MAJESTY / ETANT DONN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ÉS y MARK CUNNINGHAM (USA/F) COLIN NEWMAN plays SWIM (UK) OTOMO YOSHIHIDE & SACHIKO M (Extreme/JAP) TONE REC (Sub rosa/F) ECHOBOY (Mute/USA) PAN AMERICAN (Blast First/USA) GOLDFRAPP (MUTE/UK) SPEEDY J (Novamute /HOL) V.V.E (VASSANEN / VAINIO / EINHEIT) (Blast First / FIN-GER) ADD N To (X) (Mute/UK) POLE (GER) KIT CLAYTON (USA) STEVE BECKETT plays WARP (UK) COIL (UK) MARC ALMOND (Blue Star/UK) STEREO MC'S (UK) A GUY CALLED GERALD (UK) DEATH IN VEGAS (Deconstruction/ UK) RICHIE HAWTIN (Minus/CAN) LUKE SLATER (Novamute/UK) CARL COX (Ultimatum-In Tech/UK) A lot of the above are DJ sets. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:36:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: Re: Exploited/Crass I have to agree with my man Tube,i was into both bands(I'm 34) in 81 and Crass had a bit more to say than Exploited. Exploited were pretty much go out and bang your mohawk(Purple or green today) on a wall where as Crass wanted everyong to grow veggies. At least that was how i took them. Rick - --- tube disaster wrote: > > > > >> Can you guys explain why there is such animosity towards > Exploited, > > Basically mate, they were a pile of shite. They had no idea of > what punk > >was all about (like 90% of the music world) and missed the point > totally. > > > >> especially among Brits? I saw it on punk77 list, and I think I saw > it > here > >> yesterday, unless I am way mistaken. > >> < >Exploited, > > Crass and the such in contemt, justifiably so. > > Can't speak for "Brits from 'the day'," not being one (just an > American from > "the day" ... I'll be 41 in 3-odd months), but in my experience Crass > get > *infinitely* more respect than the Exploited, & rightfully so. I've > got a > soft spot for certain old (& admittedly thick-headed) Exploited > songs, like > Sex & Violence & Cop Cars, but if they ever did anything to compare > to > Nagasaki Nightmare or Bloody Revolutions or Big A Little A or Shaved > Women, > it's escaped my attention. I find Crass' LPs pretty tedious -- the > great > anarcho albums tend to have been done by the likes of Rudimentary > Peni, > Zounds, Omega Tribe, the Instigators, Subhumans & Flux of Pink > Indians, > though I'm probably forgetting at least a couple -- but they were an > ace > singles band. > > > > > > >> I have no idea about who they teamed up in regards of politics (if > >> their politics are the reason), but I do know their lyrics > ("Maggie... > >> you're a c$%t") are not that much different from, say, Crass, and > >> musically "Punk's not dead" is way better than pretty much > anything > >> by, say, above-mentioned Crass, or highly-praised (at least in > US) > >> Minor Threat. I mean, Exploited are a very good 80s punk band. > They > >> are not punk77; but they are not your Green Day/Offspring either. > >> So why all the animosity? > > Wow ... I thought IIIIIIIIIIIII had a case of tinnitus ... > > Dan > > > << because it was wankers like these who turned > > what was a pure and honest movement, into a cartoon cliche. > Stupid > > Mowhawk haircuts and the uniform Leather Jacket. Wankers, > Scum..die > >die die... > > > >>It meant more than that.......;-) > >The Siam Cat..........close to death...... > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: RE: paul effin' young & LedZep(Zappa's B.Brown) You got to be kiddin me,Zappa's Bobby Brown was turned into muzak,WOW. The best partof the song are the lyrics which i assume weren't included in the muzak version. - --- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Ciscon, Ray wrote: > > > Regardless of your intense dislike of Paul Young and his version of > Joy > > Division's 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', I'm here to tell you that it > is far > > less painful to hear than the muzak version of Jimmy Hendrix's > 'Purple > > Haze', which I actually heard in the elevator of my last employer. > > Someone I know once heard a muzak version of...Frank Zappa's "Bobby > Brown." What the... > > > I too would rather listen to just about anything by A Flock o' > Seagulls or > > OMD than even the best of Led Zepplin. Back in my High School days, > local > > Chicago rock radio stations had an unwritten rule: Thou Shalt Play > A Led > > Zepplin Song At Least Once An Hour. > > Led Zeppelin did, in fact, record more songs than "Stairway to > Heaven," > "Rock'n'Roll," "Black Dog," "Whole Lotta Love, and (the worst) > "Livin' > Lovin' Maid/Heartbreaker." I may have missed one or two, but radio > thinks > its listeners are dogs trained to salivate on command but can only be > imprinted by a handful of songs at once. > > And most of those other LZ songs (when they weren't stolen from blues > guys > whom they apparently assumed were either dead or ignorant - last > laugh, > when they got sued by Willie Dixon) are far better written and much > more > intriguing arranged than any of the above. > > Of course, there remains Robert Plant and his hyaena impersonations > (which > in themselves were bad enough - but we also had to put up with > *years* of > bad impersonations thereof on the radio). When he tones it down, and > if > you pretend you don't know English so as not to hear him babbling > about > elves and mystic flowers, he's not bad. > > Fortunately, I have an apparent hearing defect that makes me almost > completely not hear lyrics. > > --Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html > ::we make everything you need, and you need everything we make:: > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #176 *******************************